Are you satisfied with the [K]-secret?

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
Are you satisfied with Wilson's explanation for their new [K]-technology?

I couldn't make a poll so... post your comments please ;)
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Still haven't read their explanation, and quite frankly I don't care. The racquet plays awesome.
 

KOtennis

Semi-Pro
its all marketing...
i really dont care what the explanation is,
i just know it is a very, very nice racquet.
 

Michelangelo

Professional
Know what, I always think that Wilson K-Factor is directly borrowed from the famous "K-Brand" cereal. Just look at the cereal and it claims after having it as breakfast, your body feels better (vs. better racket feel), feels more comfortable (vs. racket comfort), better performance in exercise (in order word, better control of your body, vs. better racket control) and blah blah blah...

So when I play tennis, I always bring this "K-Brand" cereal rather than banana to court as extra K-Factor to help me win.
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
DownTheTeeAce said:
althought i have a k90 but i dun buy that [k]rap
I appreciate that level of objectivity from the owner of a K-Factor, when some users are unprepared to say anything negative about the racquet. I am absolutely not satisfied with Wilson's explanation. It is a pity that a racquet that is supposed to play so well needs to be generously clothed in bull[K]rap to justify its price tag.

But, we all know what happened to PK. The public cannot be expected to buy a good racquet just because it is good. Wilson seems to be doing things that are good for their business. People who like the K-Factor's playability and performance (and can afford it) don't seem to care. People who are undecided or uninformed can probably be enticed by the claims of the article.

From a tennis enthusiast's POV, the article explaining the [K]technology is a faintly amusing example of how desperate Wilson is to shove the [K] Factor down our throats. Karophite is such a lame term, possibly conjured up after a legal scramble about property rights, that it is actually funny.
 
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I appreciate that level of objectivity from the owner of a K-Factor, when some users are unprepared to say anything negative about the racquet. I am absolutely not satisfied with Wilson's explanation. It is a pity that a racquet that is supposed to play so well needs to be generously clothed in bull[K]rap to justify its price tag.

But, we all know what happened to PK. The public cannot be expected to buy a good racquet just because it is good. Wilson seems to be doing things that are good for their business. People who like the K-Factor's playability and performance (and can afford it) don't seem to care. People who are undecided or uninformed can probably be enticed by the claims of the article.

From a tennis enthusiast's POV, the article explaining the [K]technology is a faintly amusing example of how desperate Wilson is to shove the [K] Factor down our throats. Karophite is such a lame term, possibly conjured up after a legal scramble about property rights, that it is actually funny.
What is it with you people?.. Wilson isnt shoving anything down anyones throats also?

You buy it, you dont. Its called capitalism.. Wilson is doing what every other company does, and some people may believe it. Some people may not..

During the Australian Open, I had to endlessly watch those really bad KIA ads with Nadal and the 4wd in the desert.. Does KIA honestly think that I would buy one of their cars because they have Nadal playing an imaginary tennis match in the desert with himself?

Maybe KIA is trying to push its message down our throats?

Do you get my point?.. So lay off with the Wilson bashing.. you are all starting to sound like broken down records...And to be honest, there is more to life than this silly and over run argument! Name 500 companies in the world, and you could say the same thing about all of them!
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
Maybe KIA is trying to push its message down our throats?

Do you get my point?.. So lay off with the Wilson bashing.. you are all starting to sound like broken down records...And to be honest, there is more to life than this silly and over run argument! Name 500 companies in the world, and you could say the same thing about all of them!
Yes, of course. Kia is pushing its message down our throats. The same thing applies to all the top 500 companies. Heck, if I run a company, I would have to do the same thing. That does not mean that I have to like it. There is a difference between tolerating something and agreeing with it. Wasn't that the question that the OP asked: Are you satisfied?. The answer is an unequivocal "No". I can tolerate Wilson's [K] factor publicity. I just don't agree with it. Shoot me for it, if you wish.:grin:

It is not just Wilson. Prince, Head, Babolat, and everyone else has to do the same thing. It is just that the [k]factor, with its visibility and its penchant for stupid sounding names, is a very easy target! This is NOT to say that the K-Factor is a bad product. It might actually be a good one, like many other Wilson racquets. But the thing that one likes in a product is often distinct from the thing that is advertised. You think that this argument is silly and over-run. Fine. I don't agree. I quite like the idea that I can b-itch about some tennis-related business strategies on a tennis-related internet message board.

chris_in_japan said:
You buy it, you dont. Its called capitalism..
Yeah. I live in Silicon Valley. I know a little bit about that. Please don't patronize.
 
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Borat

Professional
Lol, I just got back from a state buisness conference/competition, very funny. Although you may, a very low percentage of Wilson's target market knows that KFactor tech, and 99% of all techs for that matter, are in fact false and totally bs. Very few tennis players frequent this forum in the scheme of things, people just aren't "educated" to tennis frames as you and I may be. People buy the flashiest, coolest looking, most convincing product, most of the time. Wilson is doing a great job, and they are making a S*** load of money off KFactor tech. Just go to your local pro shop, and look what people are using, or looking at off the shelves. The Kfactors have a very agressive paint scheme, which fits there target market, younger adults, basically, my generation. If people hate the paint job so much on these boards, why is it selling?Also, they have the #1 player in the world using their frames, so that of course is a great marketing resource. In the end, Wilson doing EVERYTHING right. It may not please you, but their marketing plan is going exactly as planned. Whether you realize it or not, the name of the game is money, not pleasing people on TTW. You dont have to like it, believe it, use it, start threads complaining abot how BS the technology is, or anything, just take it and stop complaining already!
 

[K]aotic

Semi-Pro
hey i don't believe in the (k)rap either. its just like the flexpoint. flex my @$$. same with head's total sweet spot bull(k)rap. all racquet technology's sound good in theory, but whether or not it plays good is up to the person playing with it. wilson is not shoving anything down our throats. its just marketing, if u don't like it then don't buy it. no one is telling u to.
 
Yeah. I live in Silicon Valley. I know a little bit about that. Please don't patronize.
I live in Japan! So don't patronize me!..

Sheesh, what a stupid thing to say..

All I was saying was that you are complaining about something, and you said you had enjoyed doing it. Which would then suggest to me that you are simply just b**ching about something that really isn't all that important or imaginative?

So in conclusion, that doesn't say whole lot about you now does it?
 

krprunitennis2

Professional
Know what, I always think that Wilson K-Factor is directly borrowed from the famous "K-Brand" cereal. Just look at the cereal and it claims after having it as breakfast, your body feels better (vs. better racket feel), feels more comfortable (vs. racket comfort), better performance in exercise (in order word, better control of your body, vs. better racket control) and blah blah blah...

So when I play tennis, I always bring this "K-Brand" cereal rather than banana to court as extra K-Factor to help me win.
XD You just made me happier.
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
chris_in_japan said:
I live in Japan! So don't patronize me!..
The Silicon Valley comment was made in a self-deprecating and light-hearted way, hinting at the irrational exuberance of the late 1990s that resulted in the Bursting of the Great Bubble. It was a rueful comment about capitalism and the way and extent to which we think about it. It was the exact opposite of "patronizing".
All I was saying was that you are complaining about something, and you said you had enjoyed doing it. Which would then suggest to me that you are simply just b**ching about something that really isn't all that important or imaginative?
Can't I b-itch about something important and imaginative and enjoy it too? Or are the two mutually exclusive? If I enjoy it, does it cease to be important?
chris_in_japan said:
So in conclusion, that doesn't say whole lot about you now does it?
You're right, it doesn't. It does suggest that I am a bit of a shallow idiot, which is actually true. There is really no point denying it. Thanks for wasting your time.
 
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The Silicon Valley comment was made in a self-deprecating and light-hearted way, hinting at the irrational exuberance of the late 1990s that resulted in the Bursting of the Great Bubble. It was a rueful comment about capitalism and the way and extent to which we think about it. It was the exact opposite of "patronizing".

Can't I b-itch about something important and imaginative and enjoy it too? Or are the two mutually exclusive? If I enjoy it, does it cease to be important?

You're right, it doesn't. It does suggest that I am a bit of a shallow idiot, which is actually true. There is really no point denying it. Thanks for wasting your time.
Yawn............ Gee.. Is it that time already?;)
 

KingOfTennis

Professional
you know every buisness markets their stuff. You are stupid if u dont. It is caled advertisement u dumb-ass jerks
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
Yawn............ Gee.. Is it that time already?;)
Oh, if you only knew. Now, I'm enjoying this.:-D
KingOfTennis said:
you know every buisness markets their stuff. You are stupid if u dont. It is caled advertisement u dumb-ass jerks
I would explain, seriously. However, I happen to be in a tete-a-tete with Chris here, and we are getting along famously.
 
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Borat

Professional
why doesn't a chemist just slice the racquet open and do some lab work on it
Hmmmm....
A. Any chemist that is at all reliable probably doesnt post on these boards nor have an extreme interest in tennis
B. A chemist really couldnt prove much, think about nCode, proving that the graphite molecules are spaced closer together is pretty tough.
C. To my knowledge, running expensive machinery is expensive
D. They are too busy researching important things
Sufficient?
 
don't get me wrong, i like my asian k90 but just don't believe its bull[k]rap technology. i use a 2hbh and it works fine eventhough it has a shorter handle/pellet. i found it good for slices and drop shots.
 

dr_punk

Professional
Hmmmm....
A. Any chemist that is at all reliable probably doesnt post on these boards nor have an extreme interest in tennis
B. A chemist really couldnt prove much, think about nCode, proving that the graphite molecules are spaced closer together is pretty tough.
C. To my knowledge, running expensive machinery is expensive
D. They are too busy researching important things
Sufficient?
no, because it was a joke.
 
N

ne1410is

Guest
Hmmmm....
A. Any chemist that is at all reliable probably doesnt post on these boards nor have an extreme interest in tennis
B. A chemist really couldnt prove much, think about nCode, proving that the graphite molecules are spaced closer together is pretty tough.
C. To my knowledge, running expensive machinery is expensive
D. They are too busy researching important things
Sufficient?
I'd say quite a few of your suppositions may be incorrect. ;)

Anyways, Polaris are you named after the X-man? Regardless, your perspicacity is most impressive. ;)
 
Oh, if you only knew. Now, I'm enjoying this.:-D

I would explain, seriously. However, I happen to be in a tete-a-tete with Chris here, and we are getting along famously.
And for that to happen, I would actually have to be interested in what you had to say?

Im not.....
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
And for that to happen, I would actually have to be interested in what you had to say?
Im not.....
Really? Oh, what a pity you had to reply to my uninteresting nonsense 4 times in this thread alone. I admire your single-minded dedication to an uninteresting cause. ;).

Anyways, Polaris are you named after the X-man? Regardless, your perspicacity is most impressive. ;)
Thanks. No, I'm not named after the X-men character. I didn't know that there was an X-men character named Polaris. I googled for it and find that it is a female character, so I would rather not use it, being a guy. :)

There used to be a Head racquet named Polaris, but I didn't choose my username from that either. It's much less cool, really : Polaris Borealis is the Latin name of the pole star.
 
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BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
If people hate the paint job so much on these boards, why is it selling?
Simple answer. Because people don't buy racquets for the paintjob. People buy racquets for how the racquet plays. Anyone who buys racquets for the paintjob isn't a real tennis player.

BTW, personally, I don't even like the bland all-black paintjob of the PS 6.0 95, but that didn't prevent me from using one for many years and thinking that it's one of the best racquets ever made.
 
Really? Oh, what a pity you had to reply to my uninteresting nonsense 4 times in this thread alone. I admire your single-minded dedication to an uninteresting cause. ;).
And here is your 5th..

Playing with yourself will lead to hairy palms and blindness...;)
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
Playing with yourself will lead to hairy palms and blindness...;)
Sound advice. I appreciate your tireless efforts to keep me from sin.

Breakpoint said:
Simple answer. Because people don't buy racquets for the paintjob. People buy racquets for how the racquet plays. Anyone who buys racquets for the paintjob isn't a real tennis player.
Agree completely, with the small modification of "people" to "Most people".:) BTW, regarding the K-Factor paintjob, it looked ugly in photographs, but it was not so bad when I held it in my hand at the tennis shop. I still like the ncode90 paintjob better. Unfortunately, I am not not good enough (and my elbow is probably not strong enough) to play either with the nCode 90 or the K90. The Asian K90 has intriguing specs though. I would want to give that a whirl, if I ever come across one. I am curious to see how the power and feel of the K90 compares with that of the Copper Ace 90 and the Spectrum Comp 90 that I have been using for a few weeks.
 
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Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
This is going the wrong way somehow...

Some of you guys hardly say anything about whether the explanation satisfied you or not... but that's what I wanted to know.
 
It doesnt matter what we think?.. Do you believe it?.. I just play with the things and I love them. In all honesty I watched about half of the promo clip and lost interest.. I dont care what is in it..
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
This is going the wrong way somehow...

Some of you guys hardly say anything about whether the explanation satisfied you or not... but that's what I wanted to know.
Sorry about this topic getting side-tracked, Pete. I was trying to explain that Wilson's explanation did not satisfy me, only to discover that I had poked a rather tender nerve in Chris.

To clarify, I do believe that Wilson has some process by which they alter the molecular structure of the graphite, so that the ncode racquets are somewhat different from the traditional graphite braids that we see in most older and some newer brands. But, I remain very skeptical about the [K]Factor article, and cannot help being so when I read that "so-and-so improves feel", or "so-and-so improves control". Head had a ridiculous advertising campaign, regrettably featuring one of my favorite players (Steffi Graf) in which they write that the shape of the racquet is such that it fits perfectly in a woman's hand! I cannot stomach that sort of inanity, even if many users of these ultra-light racquets were to say that they play very well and don't care about advertising. I have a somewhat similar response to the [K] Factor article.

Oh, and another reason why not many people are posting here is that larlarbd has started a poll on the exact same topic. Maybe, the two threads will be merged down the line.
 
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