Aren't Nadal's injuries expected?

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People always claim Nadal hides behind his injuries as a way to save face. But aren't his injuries justified? He has played one of the most intense, grinding, defensive games we have ever seen and puts more physical strain on his body than anyone in the history of the game. In addition people have long said Nadal would not last into his late 20's as his body would burn out due to his game.
 
Why is the nadal singled out about his expected injuries? Aren't all pro athletes' injuries expected?

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Well, it's a double-edged sword, definitely.
For some it is only a justification for his defeats, hence the worn joke of "a moral victory"; for others that makes the character more apotheosic and they revere him until paroxysm, which is also not desirable.
Finding that right medium would be ideal.
Something is clear; Nadal polarizes the fans of this sport too much, hence the heated debates that leave no one indiffe
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he puts more physical strain on his body than anyone in the history of the game.
Utterly subjective and doubtful. Thomas Muster grinded as much or more and his matches were even longer than Nadal. Murray's up there too, as well as Djokovic, though I think Rafa edges them out on "strain on the body."

Muster is still ahead, IMO. And please don't dispute this unless you are intimately familiar with Muster, his matches and his career.
 
People always claim Nadal hides behind his injuries as a way to save face. But aren't his injuries justified? He has played one of the most intense, grinding, defensive games we have ever seen and puts more physical strain on his body than anyone in the history of the game. In addition people have long said Nadal would not last into his late 20's as his body would burn out due to his game.

These 'people', who are making up stories about Rafa, are Fed devotees.
 
...please don't dispute this unless you are intimately familiar with Muster,...

While I do not have carnal knowledge of Muster I saw him play in person many times and he is certainly one of the GOAT grinders but I can’t say he grinded more (or less) than VAMOS on clay. VAMOS !
 
Each top athlete (especially the very best) play to their strengths in terms of playstyle. Nadal's playstyle works for him (which is obvious) however his playstyle is more prone to injuries in much the same way as Federer's more versatile & aggressive playstyle is prone to a much higher churn of unforced errors.

To say that Nadal would've won more if he had never been injured is akin to saying that Federer would've won more if he made far fewer unforced errors whilst keeping the same level of aggression in his game. Every playstyle comes with it's own unique sacrifices . & for Nadal it's primarily injuries & to a lesser extent hitting the ball too safe & short in the court.

In summary , to say that Nadal would've won more had he encountered fewer injuries is an absolute fallacy & is incorrect. As if Nadal had played a more safe game for his body (in order to prevent all or most of the injuries that he had suffered throughout his career) his results would've also suffered. Fewer injuries = fewer titles in Nadal's specific case.
 
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He'd be a lot less injury prone if his navicular bone ossified properly. Because of that, he has to wear special orthotics which places additional stress on his knees, hips, and lower back etc. The lower a person has a defect in their body the worse off they are because everything above that point gets affected. The feet are arguably the worst place to have a defect since they are the foundation of an athlete. It's like the foundation of a house, if it's off even a little bit, it jeopardizes the rest of the structure.

Also, just off the top of my head, tennis is the only sport in the world that’s played on asphalt and concrete. That’s also bad for the body, especially for such an explosive athlete like RAFA. Hard courts are by far the most abundant surface on tour right now. They’re also the least forgiving since less energy is being absorbed by the court unlike clay and grass due to how firm they are. It’s Newton’s 3rd law of motion at work. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. RAFA generates so much force into his strokes and movement and a hard court sends more of that energy back at him. Since less energy is being absorbed by the court, the body has to absorb it instead. The fact that he’s come back from so many injuries just makes his longevity even more impressive. Considering a lot of people were saying he’d be done by Borg’s age :oops: :cool:
 
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Also, just off the top of my head, tennis is the only sport in the world that’s played on asphalt and concrete. That’s also bad for the body, especially for such an explosive athlete like RAFA. Hard courts are by far the most abundant surface on tour right now. They’re also the least forgiving since less energy is being absorbed by the court unlike clay and grass due to how firm they are. It’s Newton’s 3rd law of motion at work. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. RAFA generates so much force into his strokes and movement and a hard court sends more of that energy back at him. Since less energy is being absorbed by the court, the body has to absorb it instead. The fact that he’s come back from so many injuries just makes his longevity even more impressive. Considering a lot of people were saying he’d be done by Borg’s age :oops: :cool:

I think this is a good point. Why hasn't tennis made a move to giving surfaces like turf?
 
I think this is a good point. Why hasn't tennis made a move to giving surfaces like turf?
I think a big reason HC are the most used surface, is because they are the least expensive surface to maintain. At the end of the day, tennis is a business. There’s a reason most grass court tourneys are gone or converted to HC. The higher ups want as much money as possible. The less people needed to maintain a court saves a lot of pennies in the long run. Turf would be an interesting idea, but even that wears out faster than a HC.
 
Utterly subjective and doubtful. Thomas Muster grinded as much or more and his matches were even longer than Nadal. Murray's up there too, as well as Djokovic, though I think Rafa edges them out on "strain on the body."

Muster is still ahead, IMO. And please don't dispute this unless you are intimately familiar with Muster, his matches and his career.
You always have to remind us youngsters how ignorant we are huh ?
 
Tbh. Nadal had injuries right at the start of his career. Before his grinding could actually even strain his body.

Plus you have players like Djokovic who also grind and slide on surfaces like hard and grass which you'd expect to cause some knee and ankle problems but he's completely fine in that department.

So a big part of it is Nadal is unlucky.
Part of it is because of his gamestyle.
 
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Its not just about his playing style causing strain on the body, its the fact he was a prodigy, and won Roland Garros in 2005.....and even before then was beating guys like Federer in 2004 :)
So he wasn't easing himself into the tour, he was testing the best at a very young age, and having longevity with such physical tennis was always going to bring injuries in spades.
And even in his 30s when he's shortening points and running less, his groundstrokes are very athletically produced, very brutal on the body.
 
Utterly subjective and doubtful. Thomas Muster grinded as much or more and his matches were even longer than Nadal. Murray's up there too, as well as Djokovic, though I think Rafa edges them out on "strain on the body."

Muster is still ahead, IMO. And please don't dispute this unless you are intimately familiar with Muster, his matches and his career.
While I agree that muster does have quite the grinding style not many will agree with you. Nadal has played many more matches that Muster on HC (around 600 to 220) which is the hardest surface to play a grinding style on. So many more matches will of course lead to more injuries. Muster was primarily a clay courter and did not subject his body anywhere near to what nadal has done. I have watched muster matches and I do love his playing style but to put Muster ahead of Nadal, or even Murray, Novak or even Ferrer is unreasonable. Also the style is much different now than compared to muster's era and having to play a defensive style now is much more difficult. But I understand that as a Fed fan you must take this position :)
 
Tbh. Nadal had injuries right at the start of his career. Before his grinding could actually even strain his body.

Plus you have players like Djokovic who also grind and slide on surfaces like hard and grass which you'd expect to cause some knee and ankle problems but he's completely fine in that department.

So a big part of it is Nadal is unlucky.
Part of it is because of his gamestyle.
Yeah this. He had (serious) injuries from way at the start, and other players with similar styles aren't injury prone.
 
People always claim Nadal hides behind his injuries as a way to save face. But aren't his injuries justified? He has played one of the most intense, grinding, defensive games we have ever seen and puts more physical strain on his body than anyone in the history of the game. In addition people have long said Nadal would not last into his late 20's as his body would burn out due to his game.
I think this is partly the reason why more people prefer Federer's style. More offensive, smoother and less wear and tear. No matter if Nadal wins the Slam race, people will still much prefer Federer's style as opposed to Nadal's or Djokovic's style.
 
Nadal has had a chronic foot injury since 2005 which requires him to use special soles and often painkillers before matches. He's almost always playing through pain. Anyone who says he's "overreacting" or being dramatic with his injury timeouts and withdrawals has no idea what they're talking about.
 
Its not just about his playing style causing strain on the body, its the fact he was a prodigy, and won Roland Garros in 2005.....and even before then was beating guys like Federer in 2004 :)
So he wasn't easing himself into the tour, he was testing the best at a very young age, and having longevity with such physical tennis was always going to bring injuries in spades.
And even in his 30s when he's shortening points and running less, his groundstrokes are very athletically produced, very brutal on the body.

It was also interesting back in 2008-2012 where Nadal was extremely vocal about the amount of tournaments he was forced to play, complaining that it would affect his way of life after retirement. But as the appearance fees and sponsorship money and prize money increased, he stopped complaining. :p You can't really moan and whine about anything when you're getting offered a million dollars just to show up for an exhibition. LOL
 
I'm pulling for Medvedev to win AO2020. But if Djokovic takes it, he goes 2 Slams behind Nadal. And if Nadal doesn't win RG in 2020 due to some shock result or knee/wrist injury, it could send the whole Slam race topsy turvy.
 
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