Arguments: Why would rafa fake his injury today?

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
okay, Im no nadal fan as you all probably know, and im disgusted by his poor gamesmanship and his annoying uncle who thinks everything should be about them. Coaching, repeated time violation, complaint about changing surfaces etc etc.

But, I know nadal is a fighter and a guy who never stops fighting till the last ball, even if he is down 6-0 6-0 I find it hard to believe he would stop believing in a victory.

so, what does he benefit of faking that injury today?
 

Devilito

Hall of Fame
okay, Im no nadal fan as you all probably know, and im disgusted by his poor gamesmanship and his annoying uncle who thinks everything should be about them. Coaching, repeated time violation, complaint about changing surfaces etc etc.

But, I know nadal is a fighter and a guy who never stops fighting till the last ball, even if he is down 6-0 6-0 I find it hard to believe he would stop believing in a victory.

so, what does he benefit of faking that injury today?
im sure he didn't fake it and he really has an issue with his back. But im almost positive he embellished it to take maximum advantage of it and to time the moment he would take the time out to throw off Stan's game. AND IT WORKED... at least in the 3rd set. He knew he had this in his back pocket when he needed it and decided that 2-0 down in the 2nd set was a perfect time for it. I'm willing to bet that had Nadal be winning and rolling along he would have played through it and not taken the time out. Again, he probably was injured to some extent, not denying that.
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
im sure he didn't fake it and he really has an issue with his back. But im almost positive he embellished it to take maximum advantage of it and to time the moment he would take the time out to throw off Stan's game. AND IT WORKED... at least in the 3rd set. He knew he had this in his back pocket when he needed it and decided that 2-0 down in the 2nd set was a perfect time for it. I'm willing to bet that had Nadal be winning and rolling along he would have played through it and not taken the time out. Again, he probably was injured to some extent, not denying that.
^^This QFT
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
im sure he didn't fake it and he really has an issue with his back. But im almost positive he embellished it to take maximum advantage of it and to time the moment he would take the time out to throw off Stan's game. AND IT WORKED... at least in the 3rd set. He knew he had this in his back pocket when he needed it and decided that 2-0 down in the 2nd set was a perfect time for it. I'm willing to bet that had Nadal be winning and rolling along he would have played through it and not taken the time out. Again, he probably was injured to some extent, not denying that.
/close thread.

10closes.
 

FuriousYellow

Professional
Who thought he faked his injury? After the injury TO, he basically gave away the 2nd set when he was already down a set.

It was clear by Rafa's movement, or lack of movement, in the 2nd and 3rd sets he was injured.
 

Boom-Boom

Hall of Fame
Of course when you're the big favorite and being humiliated in front of the world in a slam final, the only thing you can do is exagerate an injury, ask for a medical time-out OFF court (when you normally wait till the end of the set for that - in the middle of a set the physio usually come ON court) and try to leverage the intox.

That is if you're someone used to receive on-court coaching, take 50 sec between points and blame your knees whenever you're being surclassed by a better player.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
im sure he didn't fake it and he really has an issue with his back. But im almost positive he embellished it to take maximum advantage of it and to time the moment he would take the time out to throw off Stan's game. AND IT WORKED... at least in the 3rd set. He knew he had this in his back pocket when he needed it and decided that 2-0 down in the 2nd set was a perfect time for it. I'm willing to bet that had Nadal be winning and rolling along he would have played through it and not taken the time out. Again, he probably was injured to some extent, not denying that.
Best answer I've read all day.
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
Who thought he faked his injury? After the injury TO, he basically gave away the 2nd set when he was already down a set.

It was clear by Rafa's movement, or lack of movement, in the 2nd and 3rd sets he was injured.
Yet he got in Stan's head, won the third, and almost won the fourth--while getting better game by game.
 

RNadal

Professional
You guys are just plain sick. It disgusts me so to see people really believing such nonsense.

Stan deserved this title regardless of Rafa's injury. He is the man. No need to discuss it. Close thread.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
The timing was bad. Stan had all the momentum but Nadal chose the worst time in attempt to cool off Stan. Had Nadal took the MTO after the 2nd set, I don't think Stan would get upset, although many fans/spectators would still question his MTO due to his past history.
 
It is Nadal who is sick. He can never accept that he can be beaten by an opponent unless he is "injured". By pulling the injury card out with predictable regularity, he has lost all credibility wrt his injuries.
 

namelessone

Legend
im sure he didn't fake it and he really has an issue with his back. But im almost positive he embellished it to take maximum advantage of it and to time the moment he would take the time out to throw off Stan's game. AND IT WORKED... at least in the 3rd set. He knew he had this in his back pocket when he needed it and decided that 2-0 down in the 2nd set was a perfect time for it. I'm willing to bet that had Nadal be winning and rolling along he would have played through it and not taken the time out. Again, he probably was injured to some extent, not denying that.
Truly a devilish plan.

Look at Nadal being all extremely excited for the 3rd set at 2:47.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aACpPSdIpI
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I truly don't believe he faked. He has always used the rules as best he can to gain advantage as much as the umps allow it.
I think he's up for the battle. Remember his Djokovic battle? He almost collapsed during the post-on-court interview.

I also truly believe Stan would have beaten a 100% Nadal. He was just on fire. It was simply his night.

I've been out tennis 5 months with a back injury so I will be curious to see exactly what's going on with him and how fast he bounces back.
 
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Magnus

Legend
okay, Im no nadal fan as you all probably know, and im disgusted by his poor gamesmanship and his annoying uncle who thinks everything should be about them. Coaching, repeated time violation, complaint about changing surfaces etc etc.

But, I know nadal is a fighter and a guy who never stops fighting till the last ball, even if he is down 6-0 6-0 I find it hard to believe he would stop believing in a victory.

so, what does he benefit of faking that injury today?
Here's the full, detailed explanation:

What has Nadal to achieve with faking an injury?


Faking an injury, historically speaking, has been one of Nadal's most tried and true tactics for winning big matches. If you even played tennis in your life, you would know that when you are on fire, and suddenly are forced to wait for your opponent for a huge amount of time, you start doubting yourself, you start thinking too much, your inner fire that you had just a few minutes ago is gone, and when your opponent comes back, you can no longer execute the same level of game as you did prior that break, while for him, its the opposite.

In short, throwing the opponent off focus can turn the momentum. Nadal coming back to win the 3rd in what seemed like glorious tennis adds a lot of evidence that this injury is fake.

Why are we so suspicous of Nadal? Other players can do it too!

Well, take a player like Federer for example. Throughout his career (which is a rather long one), I only saw him take an MTO once. It was in front of the crowd (he didn't go to the locker room or anything of sorts), it was versus Murray at TMC 2008. Federer recived treatment for his back, but kept fighting, and made one of the most memroable (some would argue the best) matches of 2008. With Nadal, this has played out too often in the past, and at suspicous moments - the most famous one being at Wimbledon's 2010 3rd round, where the timing of the "injury" and its affects on both players have been very suspicous to say the least. However, this was not the only times, multiple times against Federer, Del Potro and even lesser known players this tactic has been used.

In short, the crowd knew what it was thinking when they "booed" Nadal. The man's got a history. A small research through the ATP posts on Facebook will reveal an interesting conclusion - many Nadal fans are now doubting Nadal. Many have defended him the 1st time he did it, and the 2nd time, and the 10th, but now...there's really nothing to do defend anymore.

OK, so if Nadal breaks that rule, isn't it the umpire's job to stop it?

Well, that is only true IF Nadal was breaking the rule (he's breaking rules, but not this one). MTOs are well within the rules so technically, Nadal is doing nothing wrong. But soccer players display violent behaviors ingame for benefits. Is it legal? Most times, yes. Is it ethical? That depends on your values, mine say its not. Nadal fans obviously think it is ethical, else they couldn't have been his fans in the first place.

Are there any other tactics Nadal is using to get away with the injury excuse?

Yes. Nadal has retired matches with an "injury" excuse multiple times in his career (in comparison, Federer has never retired a match). Nadal has retired against Davydenko back in Paris 2008, being 3 games away from defeat. He was booed that day by the crowd, and rightly so, as he took away all credit Davydenko earned for winning that match. This has also happened against Murray at the AO a few years back in 2010, being down 2 sets and 3-0 in the third. Nadal preferd to avoid the bagel, retire the match, take away all credit from Murray who played brilliantly, and make his "injury" the story of the match. Plenty more examples, but I've written too much as is.

That is all. Like it or not, the evidence speaks for itself. Nadal is one of the finest tennis players that ever lived, but he's also one of the dirtiest ones, and that is the reason why many, and myself included, can never respect him.

Peace.
 
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West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
^^^^ @Magnus - nailed it. You'd get tired typing all the examples.

Nadal can't accept losing to anyone but Federer and Djokovic. Sad.
 

dafinch

Banned
Because he has made a habit of claiming injury when his opponent is outplaying him.
This, and, I'll repeat what I said earlier: Bullies sometimes have strange reactions to being challenged: Sonny Liston quit on his stool to Ali, Roberto Duran (and Henin) both quit with tummy aches, Tyson tried to dine on Holyfield's ear-twice-and BP said "no mas" for awhile in his own little way. He might have been strung up had he come back from his MTO and shown no effect, hence the "brave warrior gamely giving it a go" routine-and, oh, btw, trying to get into Stan's head, which he did for a set or so.
 

cork_screw

Hall of Fame
There are a few speculations that I can think of. First one is he needed some time to collect himself to regain his focus because the set(s) were flying by pretty quickly and a lot of momentum was with Wawrinka. A lot of players have been known to use it as a tactic to break the rhythem that someone has so they can "reset" the pace and momentum of the match. Rafa might have needed to collect himself and then when he heard the boo's. He might have felt guilty/bad that he really needed to sell it after the match that it was legit because coming from someone like him on his level it would look really bad if that was the case. The second one is that he did it because he knew he was going to lose that match steadily and wanted to lose it through an excuse while maintaining (what many great players have and Roger is supremely guilty of this) PRIDE. Roger in the past has been known to not give his opponents credit when he loses to them (when he was still in his peak). I do remember Roger losing to Murray at one of the 1k tournies maybe around 2006 or 2008 (I forget) and he basically blamed Murray's style and the conditions on the court. When in fact, he just lost.

But who really knows, nobody does. This is all just speculation. And just some possible theories. I don't think it's a big deal. If it was true, it would be kinda messed up that you're basically stealing the moment that you were injured and that was the sole reason why he won and it didn't have anything to do with the level of play your opponent just executed.
 
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Praetorian

Professional
Sad sad sad. Rafa could have had his legs amputated before the match, and you all would say he's still faking an injury. He's a man, not a god, and the only one's who thinks he's immune to injury are you people.
 

Magnus

Legend
Sad sad sad. Rafa could have had his legs amputated before the match, and you all would say he's still faking an injury. He's a man, not a god, and the only one's who thinks he's immune to injury are you people.
I'm asuming you watched your first ever Nadal match in this final. You'll learn rather quickly that with Nadal, there's no such thing as a valid injury, there are excuses, cheating, and bullying others.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
..and the only one's who thinks he's immune to injury are you people.
I'm sure the following agree with us:

Rosol
Darcis
Murray, Andy
JM Del Potro
JW Tsonga
Ferrer
...

They've all seen it 1st person and were denied full credit for their well earned victories.

Nadal has mental problems; it starts with the OCD behavior - and continues to manifest itself in his inability to accept his defeats. The family should be ashamed for pressing him into an individual sport - I'm sure going up they saw these traits. They should have pushed him into football (soccer) - team game where you win and lose with your teammates and easily to accept.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Here's the full, detailed explanation:

What has Nadal to achieve with faking an injury?


Faking an injury, historically speaking, has been one of Nadal's most tried and true tactics for winning big matches. If you even played tennis in your life, you would know that when you are on fire, and suddenly are forced to wait for your opponent for a huge amount of time, you start doubting yourself, you start thinking too much, your inner fire that you had just a few minutes ago is gone, and when your opponent comes back, you can no longer execute the same level of game as you did prior that break, while for him, its the opposite.

In short, throwing the opponent off focus can turn the momentum. Nadal coming back to win the 3rd in what seemed like glorious tennis adds a lot of evidence that this injury is fake.

Why are we so suspicous of Nadal? Other players can do it too!

Well, take a player like Federer for example. Throughout his career (which is a rather long one), I only saw him take an MTO once. It was in front of the crowd (he didn't go to the locker room or anything of sorts), it was versus Murray at TMC 2008. Federer recived treatment for his back, but kept fighting, and made one of the most memroable (some would argue the best) matches of 2008. With Nadal, this has played out too often in the past, and at suspicous moments - the most famous one being at Wimbledon's 2010 3rd round, where the timing of the "injury" and its affects on both players have been very suspicous to say the least. However, this was not the only times, multiple times against Federer, Del Potro and even lesser known players this tactic has been used.

In short, the crowd knew what it was thinking when they "booed" Nadal. The man's got a history. A small research through the ATP posts on Facebook will reveal an interesting conclusion - many Nadal fans are now doubting Nadal. Many have defended him the 1st time he did it, and the 2nd time, and the 10th, but now...there's really nothing to do defend anymore.

OK, so if Nadal breaks that rule, isn't it the umpire's job to stop it?

Well, that is only true IF Nadal was breaking the rule (he's breaking rules, but not this one). MTOs are well within the rules so technically, Nadal is doing nothing wrong. But soccer players display violent behaviors ingame for benefits. Is it legal? Most times, yes. Is it ethical? That depends on your values, mine say its not. Nadal fans obviously think it is ethical, else they couldn't have been his fans in the first place.

Are there any other tactics Nadal is using to get away with the injury excuse?

Yes. Nadal has retired matches with an "injury" excuse multiple times in his career (in comparison, Federer has never retired a match). Nadal has retired against Davydenko back in Paris 2008, being 3 games away from defeat. He was booed that day by the crowd, and rightly so, as he took away all credit Davydenko earned for winning that match. This has also happened against Murray at the AO a few years back in 2010, being down 2 sets and 3-0 in the third. Nadal preferd to avoid the bagel, retire the match, take away all credit from Murray who played brilliantly, and make his "injury" the story of the match. Plenty more examples, but I've written too much as is.

That is all. Like it or not, the evidence speaks for itself. Nadal is one of the finest tennis players that ever lived, but he's also one of the dirtiest ones, and that is the reason why many, and myself included, can never respect him.

Peace.
Thank you for taking time to answer, interesting points!
 

Magnus

Legend
I'm sure the following agree with us:

Rosol
Darcis
Murray, Andy
JM Del Potro
JW Tsonga
Ferrer
...

They've all seen it 1st person and were denied full credit for their well earned victories.

Nadal has mental problems; it starts with the OCD behavior - and continues to manifest itself in his inability to accept his defeats. The family should be ashamed for pressing him into an individual sport - I'm sure going up they saw these traits. They should have pushed him into football (soccer) - team game where you win and lose with your teammates and easily to accept.
I'm sure the real devil behind all this is Tony. He probably used to push his nephew to the point the later would do anything in his power to be victorious. However, nowdays Nadal has nobody to blame but himself. He should get booed more often, maybe that would put some sense into him (though he's getting booed more and more as years go by)
 
All I can say is view this article posted by Tignor on Tennis.com. The very headline is what seemed to me a cheap shot at Wawrinka, whatever the rest says: "FAILING BEST". I can't say it's disappointing that a magazine I used to respect when I received every copy in the mail literally for years...would allow such a thing, but rather that it is typical these days. Lack of objectivity. Though perhaps neither will ever read it, it's unfair to Wawrinka, and a "crush hug" to Nadal's disassociative psychological state that has allowed him to continue OCD without treatment, cheating unfairly by pushing and breaking rules his whole career and believing whatever his "coach" says to him.

Honestly, it is also a trait of "champions" that they usually have that was blindfolded (not the right word, but can't think of the English for when horses used to have harnesses that blocked peripherals) view that rationalizes whatever they do as being okay and necessary, especially when you have "Uncle Tonys" who reinforce such behavior. Honestly, I don't feel any antagonism or hatred for Nadal, as that would be illogical. It doesn't affect me personally, whatever he or anyone or the ATP tour does or doesn't do, but from an abstract position and working in the psychological field, I feel sorry for that aspect of Nadal's game and gamesmanship, or anyone like him.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/01/tktktkt/50418/.
 
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Magnus

Legend
All I can say is view this article posted by Tignor on Tennis.com. The very headline is what seemed to me a cheap shot at Wawrinka, whatever the rest says. http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/01/tktktkt/50418/.
That's exactly what Nadal wanted. If he's down, at least Stan's credit for winnning goes down too. Stan has a GS title, but Nadal has made it seem like he gave him the match rather than Stan earning it. Stan will be looked at as a lucky one, thanks to Nadal's tactics, despite beating 3 top 10 players in a row for the title.
 

Praetorian

Professional
I'm asuming you watched your first ever Nadal match in this final. You'll learn rather quickly that with Nadal, there's no such thing as a valid injury, there are excuses, cheating, and bullying others.
I'm referring to the deplorable behavior of these posts. Don't be so hateful, Nadal <or you tennis god of choice> don't even know/care who you are.
 

dafinch

Banned
Here's the full, detailed explanation:

What has Nadal to achieve with faking an injury?


Faking an injury, historically speaking, has been one of Nadal's most tried and true tactics for winning big matches. If you even played tennis in your life, you would know that when you are on fire, and suddenly are forced to wait for your opponent for a huge amount of time, you start doubting yourself, you start thinking too much, your inner fire that you had just a few minutes ago is gone, and when your opponent comes back, you can no longer execute the same level of game as you did prior that break, while for him, its the opposite.

In short, throwing the opponent off focus can turn the momentum. Nadal coming back to win the 3rd in what seemed like glorious tennis adds a lot of evidence that this injury is fake.

Why are we so suspicous of Nadal? Other players can do it too!

Well, take a player like Federer for example. Throughout his career (which is a rather long one), I only saw him take an MTO once. It was in front of the crowd (he didn't go to the locker room or anything of sorts), it was versus Murray at TMC 2008. Federer recived treatment for his back, but kept fighting, and made one of the most memroable (some would argue the best) matches of 2008. With Nadal, this has played out too often in the past, and at suspicous moments - the most famous one being at Wimbledon's 2010 3rd round, where the timing of the "injury" and its affects on both players have been very suspicous to say the least. However, this was not the only times, multiple times against Federer, Del Potro and even lesser known players this tactic has been used.

In short, the crowd knew what it was thinking when they "booed" Nadal. The man's got a history. A small research through the ATP posts on Facebook will reveal an interesting conclusion - many Nadal fans are now doubting Nadal. Many have defended him the 1st time he did it, and the 2nd time, and the 10th, but now...there's really nothing to do defend anymore.

OK, so if Nadal breaks that rule, isn't it the umpire's job to stop it?

Well, that is only true IF Nadal was breaking the rule (he's breaking rules, but not this one). MTOs are well within the rules so technically, Nadal is doing nothing wrong. But soccer players display violent behaviors ingame for benefits. Is it legal? Most times, yes. Is it ethical? That depends on your values, mine say its not. Nadal fans obviously think it is ethical, else they couldn't have been his fans in the first place.

Are there any other tactics Nadal is using to get away with the injury excuse?

Yes. Nadal has retired matches with an "injury" excuse multiple times in his career (in comparison, Federer has never retired a match). Nadal has retired against Davydenko back in Paris 2008, being 3 games away from defeat. He was booed that day by the crowd, and rightly so, as he took away all credit Davydenko earned for winning that match. This has also happened against Murray at the AO a few years back in 2010, being down 2 sets and 3-0 in the third. Nadal preferd to avoid the bagel, retire the match, take away all credit from Murray who played brilliantly, and make his "injury" the story of the match. Plenty more examples, but I've written too much as is.

That is all. Like it or not, the evidence speaks for itself. Nadal is one of the finest tennis players that ever lived, but he's also one of the dirtiest ones, and that is the reason why many, and myself included, can never respect him.

Peace.
Superbly written, and well buttressed with circumstantial evidence-unlike the hysterical, NNN who incessantly wail, "It's not cheating if you're not caught/why punish BP why X does it too/He CLEARLY wasn't faking, why can't you see that?!?!" or some combination thereof...
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Here's the full, detailed explanation:

What has Nadal to achieve with faking an injury?


Faking an injury, historically speaking, has been one of Nadal's most tried and true tactics for winning big matches. If you even played tennis in your life, you would know that when you are on fire, and suddenly are forced to wait for your opponent for a huge amount of time, you start doubting yourself, you start thinking too much, your inner fire that you had just a few minutes ago is gone, and when your opponent comes back, you can no longer execute the same level of game as you did prior that break, while for him, its the opposite.

In short, throwing the opponent off focus can turn the momentum. Nadal coming back to win the 3rd in what seemed like glorious tennis adds a lot of evidence that this injury is fake.

Why are we so suspicous of Nadal? Other players can do it too!

Well, take a player like Federer for example. Throughout his career (which is a rather long one), I only saw him take an MTO once. It was in front of the crowd (he didn't go to the locker room or anything of sorts), it was versus Murray at TMC 2008. Federer recived treatment for his back, but kept fighting, and made one of the most memroable (some would argue the best) matches of 2008. With Nadal, this has played out too often in the past, and at suspicous moments - the most famous one being at Wimbledon's 2010 3rd round, where the timing of the "injury" and its affects on both players have been very suspicous to say the least. However, this was not the only times, multiple times against Federer, Del Potro and even lesser known players this tactic has been used.

In short, the crowd knew what it was thinking when they "booed" Nadal. The man's got a history. A small research through the ATP posts on Facebook will reveal an interesting conclusion - many Nadal fans are now doubting Nadal. Many have defended him the 1st time he did it, and the 2nd time, and the 10th, but now...there's really nothing to do defend anymore.

OK, so if Nadal breaks that rule, isn't it the umpire's job to stop it?

Well, that is only true IF Nadal was breaking the rule (he's breaking rules, but not this one). MTOs are well within the rules so technically, Nadal is doing nothing wrong. But soccer players display violent behaviors ingame for benefits. Is it legal? Most times, yes. Is it ethical? That depends on your values, mine say its not. Nadal fans obviously think it is ethical, else they couldn't have been his fans in the first place.

Are there any other tactics Nadal is using to get away with the injury excuse?

Yes. Nadal has retired matches with an "injury" excuse multiple times in his career (in comparison, Federer has never retired a match). Nadal has retired against Davydenko back in Paris 2008, being 3 games away from defeat. He was booed that day by the crowd, and rightly so, as he took away all credit Davydenko earned for winning that match. This has also happened against Murray at the AO a few years back in 2010, being down 2 sets and 3-0 in the third. Nadal preferd to avoid the bagel, retire the match, take away all credit from Murray who played brilliantly, and make his "injury" the story of the match. Plenty more examples, but I've written too much as is.

That is all. Like it or not, the evidence speaks for itself. Nadal is one of the finest tennis players that ever lived, but he's also one of the dirtiest ones, and that is the reason why many, and myself included, can never respect him.

Peace.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Here's the full, detailed explanation:

What has Nadal to achieve with faking an injury?


Faking an injury, historically speaking, has been one of Nadal's most tried and true tactics for winning big matches. If you even played tennis in your life, you would know that when you are on fire, and suddenly are forced to wait for your opponent for a huge amount of time, you start doubting yourself, you start thinking too much, your inner fire that you had just a few minutes ago is gone, and when your opponent comes back, you can no longer execute the same level of game as you did prior that break, while for him, its the opposite.

In short, throwing the opponent off focus can turn the momentum. Nadal coming back to win the 3rd in what seemed like glorious tennis adds a lot of evidence that this injury is fake.

Why are we so suspicous of Nadal? Other players can do it too!

Well, take a player like Federer for example. Throughout his career (which is a rather long one), I only saw him take an MTO once. It was in front of the crowd (he didn't go to the locker room or anything of sorts), it was versus Murray at TMC 2008. Federer recived treatment for his back, but kept fighting, and made one of the most memroable (some would argue the best) matches of 2008. With Nadal, this has played out too often in the past, and at suspicous moments - the most famous one being at Wimbledon's 2010 3rd round, where the timing of the "injury" and its affects on both players have been very suspicous to say the least. However, this was not the only times, multiple times against Federer, Del Potro and even lesser known players this tactic has been used.

In short, the crowd knew what it was thinking when they "booed" Nadal. The man's got a history. A small research through the ATP posts on Facebook will reveal an interesting conclusion - many Nadal fans are now doubting Nadal. Many have defended him the 1st time he did it, and the 2nd time, and the 10th, but now...there's really nothing to do defend anymore.

OK, so if Nadal breaks that rule, isn't it the umpire's job to stop it?

Well, that is only true IF Nadal was breaking the rule (he's breaking rules, but not this one). MTOs are well within the rules so technically, Nadal is doing nothing wrong. But soccer players display violent behaviors ingame for benefits. Is it legal? Most times, yes. Is it ethical? That depends on your values, mine say its not. Nadal fans obviously think it is ethical, else they couldn't have been his fans in the first place.

Are there any other tactics Nadal is using to get away with the injury excuse?

Yes. Nadal has retired matches with an "injury" excuse multiple times in his career (in comparison, Federer has never retired a match). Nadal has retired against Davydenko back in Paris 2008, being 3 games away from defeat. He was booed that day by the crowd, and rightly so, as he took away all credit Davydenko earned for winning that match. This has also happened against Murray at the AO a few years back in 2010, being down 2 sets and 3-0 in the third. Nadal preferd to avoid the bagel, retire the match, take away all credit from Murray who played brilliantly, and make his "injury" the story of the match. Plenty more examples, but I've written too much as is.

That is all. Like it or not, the evidence speaks for itself. Nadal is one of the finest tennis players that ever lived, but he's also one of the dirtiest ones, and that is the reason why many, and myself included, can never respect him.

Peace.
I think that pretty much sums it all up.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
I hate to watch him pound Fed's backhand but I don't think I'll ever see him fake an injury. I don't know why he would ever do that. I'd like to read a good excuse from someone as to why he would do such a thing.


okay, Im no nadal fan as you all probably know, and im disgusted by his poor gamesmanship and his annoying uncle who thinks everything should be about them. Coaching, repeated time violation, complaint about changing surfaces etc etc.

But, I know nadal is a fighter and a guy who never stops fighting till the last ball, even if he is down 6-0 6-0 I find it hard to believe he would stop believing in a victory.

so, what does he benefit of faking that injury today?
 

Boom-Boom

Hall of Fame
Brilliant reply Magnus. Clearly structured and putting evidence once again for everyone to read and acknowledge.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
I hate to watch him pound Fed's backhand but I don't think I'll ever see him fake an injury. I don't know why he would ever do that. I'd like to read a good excuse from someone as to why he would do such a thing.
He would do it, not because of the current match, which his is probably losing and out of his control, but because of future matches and opponents. They will hopefully think that, "unless he is injured there's no way I could possibly beat him." Child psychology really. He's trying to make this aura of being super-human live on in the other players minds, but sadly. when he, or any other player does that, it robs the true victor of their win.
 

World Beater

Hall of Fame
Life is funny and crazy

Just 48 hours ago.

Nadal was GOAT according to his fans.

Now...

Nadal is a cripple according to his fans.

Funny!
 
people don't see before final Nadal was leading 12-0.

why on the earth he will fake injury against player with 12-0 record??? go figure...

now it is 12-1 still nadal is great... nothing changes by one match...if you know the history... nobody can take his 13 slams...

still lot of tennis left in nadal so wait before throwing towel...
 
obv to throw off stan.....i think he purposely change racket mid game too.
when the crowd booed him, he can't start running around like rabbit so he just let go the second set.

lets face it, nadal is a multi GS champion, he's a fighter, he's not afraid to fight it for hours for 5 sets, while stan is doubtful he can outlast nadal in 5 set matches.

so banking on this fact, conceding the second set is OK. all he need to do is get the remaining 3 sets, remember that stan never beat nadal nor has he been in a GS final, nadal has all the advantage.

on the third set, the cheating tactic started to pay off, as Stan started to drop his game and Nadal start picking up his game again.

luckily stan started playing great again on the fourth to claim the title.

was he injured? prob yes, some VERY minor stuff, the rest is acting. Connors said that usually the treatment need about 15+ minutes to start taking effect. and thats why he started to play better again on the third and fourth.

if its really a bad injury nadal is not dumb enough to keep playing, risking his whole career. the fact that he keeps playing means that he knows its nothing.

cheaters will cheat.
 

urundai

Professional
Here's the full, detailed explanation:

What has Nadal to achieve with faking an injury?


Faking an injury, historically speaking, has been one of Nadal's most tried and true tactics for winning big matches. If you even played tennis in your life, you would know that when you are on fire, and suddenly are forced to wait for your opponent for a huge amount of time, you start doubting yourself, you start thinking too much, your inner fire that you had just a few minutes ago is gone, and when your opponent comes back, you can no longer execute the same level of game as you did prior that break, while for him, its the opposite.

In short, throwing the opponent off focus can turn the momentum. Nadal coming back to win the 3rd in what seemed like glorious tennis adds a lot of evidence that this injury is fake.

Why are we so suspicous of Nadal? Other players can do it too!

Well, take a player like Federer for example. Throughout his career (which is a rather long one), I only saw him take an MTO once. It was in front of the crowd (he didn't go to the locker room or anything of sorts), it was versus Murray at TMC 2008. Federer recived treatment for his back, but kept fighting, and made one of the most memroable (some would argue the best) matches of 2008. With Nadal, this has played out too often in the past, and at suspicous moments - the most famous one being at Wimbledon's 2010 3rd round, where the timing of the "injury" and its affects on both players have been very suspicous to say the least. However, this was not the only times, multiple times against Federer, Del Potro and even lesser known players this tactic has been used.

In short, the crowd knew what it was thinking when they "booed" Nadal. The man's got a history. A small research through the ATP posts on Facebook will reveal an interesting conclusion - many Nadal fans are now doubting Nadal. Many have defended him the 1st time he did it, and the 2nd time, and the 10th, but now...there's really nothing to do defend anymore.

OK, so if Nadal breaks that rule, isn't it the umpire's job to stop it?

Well, that is only true IF Nadal was breaking the rule (he's breaking rules, but not this one). MTOs are well within the rules so technically, Nadal is doing nothing wrong. But soccer players display violent behaviors ingame for benefits. Is it legal? Most times, yes. Is it ethical? That depends on your values, mine say its not. Nadal fans obviously think it is ethical, else they couldn't have been his fans in the first place.

Are there any other tactics Nadal is using to get away with the injury excuse?

Yes. Nadal has retired matches with an "injury" excuse multiple times in his career (in comparison, Federer has never retired a match). Nadal has retired against Davydenko back in Paris 2008, being 3 games away from defeat. He was booed that day by the crowd, and rightly so, as he took away all credit Davydenko earned for winning that match. This has also happened against Murray at the AO a few years back in 2010, being down 2 sets and 3-0 in the third. Nadal preferd to avoid the bagel, retire the match, take away all credit from Murray who played brilliantly, and make his "injury" the story of the match. Plenty more examples, but I've written too much as is.

That is all. Like it or not, the evidence speaks for itself. Nadal is one of the finest tennis players that ever lived, but he's also one of the dirtiest ones, and that is the reason why many, and myself included, can never respect him.

Peace.
Great summarization. It also boils down to Ethics vs Rules. Taking MTOs or delaying to be ready when opponent is ready to serve can and will throw the rhythm of the other player.

Hope ATP does something to fix this.

I also noticed Nadal didn't grunt in yesterday's match (compared to Fed and Dmitrov matches when he grunted occasionally - especially when the opponent is serving at 00-30 or 15-30). May be Fed's complaining had something to do with that.

In either case, a tremendous talent like Nadal should not depend on these tactics. It takes away some of the shine from his accomplishments.
 

ttbrowne

Hall of Fame
No doubt it was a fake injury on Rafa's part. It was too obvious. Fed stood up and took his beating but Rafa is just not able to handle things like that.
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
Who thought he faked his injury? After the injury TO, he basically gave away the 2nd set when he was already down a set.

It was clear by Rafa's movement, or lack of movement, in the 2nd and 3rd sets he was injured.
Back injury affects serve and forehand, not so much movement. He was already down a break in the second. I think he used the opportunity to buy time for the treatment and pain killers to kick in. He also threw in a couple of club level serves to let Stan off guard, which worked in the third set. Stan was sloppy in the third set.

Nadal is a champion and fighter. I believe he never gave up the match during the injury. He cunningly played the injury card to his fullest advantage. Kudos to Stan to tidy up the fourth set.
 

urundai

Professional
Back injury affects serve and forehand, not so much movement. He was already down a break in the second. I think he used the opportunity to buy time for the treatment and pain killers to kick in. He also threw in a couple of club level serves to let Stan off guard, which worked in the third set. Stan was sloppy in the third set.

Nadal is a champion and fighter. I believe he never gave up the match during the injury. He cunningly played the injury card to his fullest advantage. Kudos to Stan to tidy up the fourth set.
Can you then tell me why he stopped moving in the 2nd set (after MTO) and didn't even make an attempt on reaching for some of the serves?
 

gopokes

Rookie
Why would Rafa fake is injury today?

Of course the easy answer is, at least initially, to ice Stan a little.
but.....

when the crowd called him on it, he found himself basically stuck with two options. His options were either run like the devil and try to beat the tar out of Stan and consequently face the music with the fans and pundits, OR fight enough to sell the injury and concede a painful loss, but preserve a shred of dignity with the public and the tennis establishment. He chose the latter in my opinion. Better to eat crow at the awards ceremony and preserve the integrity of his legacy (which has a few blemishes on it already) than to try to win the final after making a meal out of what was likely a minor injury at best. Maybe it was even his own internal moral compass that motivated his decision after realizing that maybe he'd pulled this tactic one too many times.



So in the end, he made his bed, and slept in it. Not to say that Stan wouldn't have beaten him squarely anyway - he was pretty dialed-in. Weird day for tennis.
 
people don't see before final Nadal was leading 12-0.

why on the earth he will fake injury against player with 12-0 record??? go figure...

now it is 12-1 still nadal is great... nothing changes by one match...if you know the history... nobody can take his 13 slams...

still lot of tennis left in nadal so wait before throwing towel...
It is obvious Nadal was exaggerating the injury if he had one to throw Stan off his game. I am glad Stan won in 4 sets.
 
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