Arm-Friendly Racket and Arm-Friendly Strings for advanced player. Shoulder Pain

Komtriku

New User
I start playing tennis this year after 15years stop. I used to be an adavnced player playing the the second league.
Now i am playing with a ezone 98 2022 strings: polytour rev 23/22kg and 2. ezone with polytour fire 23/22kg. I like them both.

I am an hard hitter, aggressive baseline. Tecnique is good, a little bit rusty but good enough.
I am now having shoulder Pain upperarm on the deltoideus muscle. So i need to try to find the cause.

Which strings do you recommend for the ezone 98 2022 that are arm friendly?

Step 2: testing new rackets?which armfriendly racket can you racommend for an advance player?
Already had speed pro and mp and i didnt like them.
i had a Vcore 98, very good racket but i love the ezone 98 more.
 

jimmy8

G.O.A.T.
Arm friendly string for the Ezone would be Poly Tour Pro.
Maybe give the Clash 98 a demo.
don't get polytour pro 1.25, it's stiff, i've played with it a lot. Check Racketpedia - it says polytour pro 1.25 is 1.05 stiffness which is pretty stiff. Even polytour pro 1.20 is 0.90 stiffness which is medium stiff.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
I'd simply avoid poly, period. Or at least for a few months, before your body is fully re-adapted to tennis.

Worst combo is stiff & light rackets with poly strings.

And we can do (well) without poly strings -- yes, there's a life after polys :


Good luck!
 

EggSalad

Hall of Fame
I start playing tennis this year after 15years stop. I used to be an adavnced player playing the the second league.
Now i am playing with a ezone 98 2022 strings: polytour rev 23/22kg and 2. ezone with polytour fire 23/22kg. I like them both.

I am an hard hitter, aggressive baseline. Tecnique is good, a little bit rusty but good enough.
I am now having shoulder Pain upperarm on the deltoideus muscle. So i need to try to find the cause.

Which strings do you recommend for the ezone 98 2022 that are arm friendly?

Step 2: testing new rackets?which armfriendly racket can you racommend for an advance player?
Already had speed pro and mp and i didnt like them.
i had a Vcore 98, very good racket but i love the ezone 98 more.

I’m a little suspicious that the pain in your shoulder is from the racquet or strings. It very well could be mechanics after a 15 year lay off. I would suspect the serving motion over any ground strokes.

You could keep either of those Yonex polys in the mains and then put a 1.30 multi in the cross. That would soften the bed up plenty to let you know if full bed poly is the culprit.

The EZ98 isn’t particularly heavy (static) or HH (balance) so it seems unlikely it is the cause.
 

fed1

Professional
Arm friendly string for the Ezone would be Poly Tour Pro.
Maybe give the Clash 98 a demo.

don't get polytour pro 1.25, it's stiff, i've played with it a lot. Check Racketpedia - it says polytour pro 1.25 is 1.05 stiffness which is pretty stiff. Even polytour pro 1.20 is 0.90 stiffness which is medium stiff.
My apologies, with the Yonex string I meant to suggest Poly Tour Air not Pro.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
There are two things you have to do to play with poly comfortably.

1. Cut it out before you feel tightness or soreness in your wrist, elbow, arm or shoulder. It should happen in 7-20 hours for most players who take a full swing -shorter for stiff poly and longer for softer polys. Once you know at what point you get sore, cut it out 2-3 hours before that. The number of hours will be shorter if you play only singles.
2. Most soft polys play great at low tensions in the low-mid forties (lbs). If you string higher, the control goes up very slowly while the comfort declines much faster. So, it is not really worth stringing higher than 50 lbs for most players.

If you follow those two warnings and still get pain, then consider changing strings and/or racquets. Also, make sure you are fully healed before you play again with poly strings.
 

nintendoplayer

Semi-Pro
In my experience you should focus on the following things:

- Strengthen your shoulder. You need a certain amount of muscle mass / general strength in your shoulder to be able to play (intense) Tennis without hurting. Your body needs to rebuild that strength you lost over the period of 15 years. One way would be to take it very(!!!) slow, building up the necessary strength in all of the relevant muscle groups over an extended training period, which would probably take years of training with regular breaks and regeneration phases so your body can adapt to the „new“ stress of Tennis in a healthy way.
If you aren‘t able to wait years for your body to adapt, you have to support your body with targeted exercise, strengthening especially the shoulder / rotator cuff. Use Google and Youtube and research for workouts, find the exercise that works for you, there are several ways you can achieve a stronger shoulder. I currently have the most success with Kettlebells, but you can use bodyweight, elastic bands, etc.
But being aware that pain in your shoulder is most of the times not only related to racquets and strings is the first important step to take in my experience. And that your shoulder needs enough rest between hitting or strengthening sessions, as well.

- Work on your technique, record yourself, be as objective about your technique as possible. Work with a coach, analyze every stroke. „Rusted“ technique often is bad technique, hitting the ball too late, hitting with a (too) bent arm, not using your complete kinetic chain but „arming“ strokes and thereby hurting your shoulder over time.

- About racquets and strings in general: look for racquets and strings with low stiffness. Try hybrid stringing (poly and multifilament for example) or go down the 100% multifilament route for as long as your technique is „rusted“ and hurting your arm. One inexpensive, well known multi to try would be Head Velocity MLT for example.

- Go lower in string tension, as low as possible without loosing too much control. A looser stringbed is a softer stringbed is a less hurting stringbed. Experiment with tension. If you‘re really serious about playing tennis, get your own stringing machine and a few reels of strings and experiment with different string combinations and string tensions.

- Experiment with your grip size, you can do that by using more or less overgrips. I remove the base grip and then only use an overgrip, for example. Finding the proper grip thickness is key to holding the racquet loosely which is essential for not hurting your arm and shoulder over time. The grip shape is also regularly an issue, every manufacturer has a different grip shape.

If you have a racquet that feels good to hit with, as it sounds with your current Ezone, do the other steps first before switching racquets. Don‘t fall too deep into the rabbit hole of gear-madness. Switching equipment too often can also hurt your shoulder, because there‘s always an adaption period when changing the parameters of your equipment.
 

Komtriku

New User
In my experience you should focus on the following things:

- Strengthen your shoulder. You need a certain amount of muscle mass / general strength in your shoulder to be able to play (intense) Tennis without hurting. Your body needs to rebuild that strength you lost over the period of 15 years. One way would be to take it very(!!!) slow, building up the necessary strength in all of the relevant muscle groups over an extended training period, which would probably take years of training with regular breaks and regeneration phases so your body can adapt to the „new“ stress of Tennis in a healthy way.
If you aren‘t able to wait years for your body to adapt, you have to support your body with targeted exercise, strengthening especially the shoulder / rotator cuff. Use Google and Youtube and research for workouts, find the exercise that works for you, there are several ways you can achieve a stronger shoulder. I currently have the most success with Kettlebells, but you can use bodyweight, elastic bands, etc.
But being aware that pain in your shoulder is most of the times not only related to racquets and strings is the first important step to take in my experience. And that your shoulder needs enough rest between hitting or strengthening sessions, as well.

- Work on your technique, record yourself, be as objective about your technique as possible. Work with a coach, analyze every stroke. „Rusted“ technique often is bad technique, hitting the ball too late, hitting with a (too) bent arm, not using your complete kinetic chain but „arming“ strokes and thereby hurting your shoulder over time.

- About racquets and strings in general: look for racquets and strings with low stiffness. Try hybrid stringing (poly and multifilament for example) or go down the 100% multifilament route for as long as your technique is „rusted“ and hurting your arm. One inexpensive, well known multi to try would be Head Velocity MLT for example.

- Go lower in string tension, as low as possible without loosing too much control. A looser stringbed is a softer stringbed is a less hurting stringbed. Experiment with tension. If you‘re really serious about playing tennis, get your own stringing machine and a few reels of strings and experiment with different string combinations and string tensions.

- Experiment with your grip size, you can do that by using more or less overgrips. I remove the base grip and then only use an overgrip, for example. Finding the proper grip thickness is key to holding the racquet loosely which is essential for not hurting your arm and shoulder over time. The grip shape is also regularly an issue, every manufacturer has a different grip shape.

If you have a racquet that feels good to hit with, as it sounds with your current Ezone, do the other steps first before switching racquets. Don‘t fall too deep into the rabbit hole of gear-madness. Switching equipment too often can also hurt your shoulder, because there‘s always an adaption period when changing the parameters of your equipment.
Thanks a lot, the trainer said my technique is fine, my footwork can be better after a long time stop but placement and arm movements are fine.
I love my ezone, and it feels good to hit with. I will try a hybrid strings poly and multi or gut and see if it goes better.
Grip size is good i use L2 yonex plus thin grip wilson or gamma.
 

jimmy8

G.O.A.T.
In my experience you should focus on the following things:

- Strengthen your shoulder. You need a certain amount of muscle mass / general strength in your shoulder to be able to play (intense) Tennis without hurting. Your body needs to rebuild that strength you lost over the period of 15 years. One way would be to take it very(!!!) slow, building up the necessary strength in all of the relevant muscle groups over an extended training period, which would probably take years of training with regular breaks and regeneration phases so your body can adapt to the „new“ stress of Tennis in a healthy way.
If you aren‘t able to wait years for your body to adapt, you have to support your body with targeted exercise, strengthening especially the shoulder / rotator cuff. Use Google and Youtube and research for workouts, find the exercise that works for you, there are several ways you can achieve a stronger shoulder. I currently have the most success with Kettlebells, but you can use bodyweight, elastic bands, etc.
But being aware that pain in your shoulder is most of the times not only related to racquets and strings is the first important step to take in my experience. And that your shoulder needs enough rest between hitting or strengthening sessions, as well.

- Work on your technique, record yourself, be as objective about your technique as possible. Work with a coach, analyze every stroke. „Rusted“ technique often is bad technique, hitting the ball too late, hitting with a (too) bent arm, not using your complete kinetic chain but „arming“ strokes and thereby hurting your shoulder over time.

- About racquets and strings in general: look for racquets and strings with low stiffness. Try hybrid stringing (poly and multifilament for example) or go down the 100% multifilament route for as long as your technique is „rusted“ and hurting your arm. One inexpensive, well known multi to try would be Head Velocity MLT for example.

- Go lower in string tension, as low as possible without loosing too much control. A looser stringbed is a softer stringbed is a less hurting stringbed. Experiment with tension. If you‘re really serious about playing tennis, get your own stringing machine and a few reels of strings and experiment with different string combinations and string tensions.

- Experiment with your grip size, you can do that by using more or less overgrips. I remove the base grip and then only use an overgrip, for example. Finding the proper grip thickness is key to holding the racquet loosely which is essential for not hurting your arm and shoulder over time. The grip shape is also regularly an issue, every manufacturer has a different grip shape.

If you have a racquet that feels good to hit with, as it sounds with your current Ezone, do the other steps first before switching racquets. Don‘t fall too deep into the rabbit hole of gear-madness. Switching equipment too often can also hurt your shoulder, because there‘s always an adaption period when changing the parameters of your equipment.
@Komtriku - don't take off your original grip and only use 1 or 2 overgrips. This will create more arm/wrist/shoulder pain due to the lack of the cushion layer from your original grip.
 

nintendoplayer

Semi-Pro
@Komtriku - don't take off your original grip and only use 1 or 2 overgrips. This will create more arm/wrist/shoulder pain due to the lack of the cushion layer from your original grip.
The cushion isn't the main issue in my opinion but the tightness in the way you hold your racquet, depending on the thickness of your grip. Many pros do this as well, as you can then "feel the bevels" more. There is no right or wrong here, just personal preference, although using a base grip is the standard of course.
 
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jimmy8

G.O.A.T.
Not only is the cushion not the issue here but the tightness in the way you hold your racquet, depending on the thickness of your grip. But also many pros do this, as well, as you can then "feel the bevels" more. There is no right or wrong here, just personal preference. But saying that not using an overgrip is generally bad for your health is absolute nonsense to me, sorry bro.
I think you mistyped that last sentence.

If you think the extra cushion layer of an original grip doesn't absorb shock, then go ahead and injure your wrist and don't come crying to me when you're at the doctor.

OP - if you want to see who is right, go ahead and injure yourself and then take a long break from tennis to heal your wrist.

If you think world class athletes who strengthen every part of their body everyday to prevent injury can use only overgrips and that enables a rec player to do the same without injury is not a smart statement. And Nadal uses 2 overgrips. You suggested 1 overgrip. That is a recipe for disaster. That's why I had to step in and say something.
 

born_hard

Rookie
Check this video out.
I started also after 20years break and deal now since 1 year with wrist pain. Sometimes my shoulder hurts and i found a good exercise which works. Maybe the pain in your shoulder can be treaten with whis exercise:

What also good: Strengthen your shoulder with 20min exercises every day. Rotator cuff and hanging on a rod. I promise, in 1 month your much stronger on the court, hit harder and your not vulnerable anymore.
 

Babolix

Rookie
If it s a shoulder pain, I would avoid heavy sticks and little sweetspots, so no clash 98, because you may feel it while serving.

Wilson clash (100), head Gravity (mp) or even a boom mp... And the cheapest Price is a second hand clash 100v1.

WIth this stick, you can play with soft polys as luxilon élément / tecnifibre Triax. And if you can play with a multi, I would recomand head velocity than is not so launchy as many multis. (But yes, xone is butter if needed)
 

tjanev

Rookie
I had shoulder bursitis when restarted tennis after a 25 year break. Incorporated a rotator cuff routine into my weekly shoulders and it helped balance the shoulder muscles. It won't be a quick fix but it may help.
 

Tao69

Semi-Pro
When I picked up tennis again (I say again loosely as I didn't play that much as a kid), I was getting little injuries/strains in my lower body and shoulder etc. I finally saw a physiotherapist for a decent going strain, she asked me what I was doing to prepare my body for tennis at this age, I was just past 40 and I really didn't think age was an issue yet. She basically said as you get older your body isn't as adaptable, resilient and quick to hide weaknesses from poor biomechanics in your movement and technique, thus you get injured more easily as you get older. Your goal is to enjoy yourself and play tennis without getting injured, take your time, build your body up to what it needs to be to play the way you want to without fear of injury.
 

netlets

Professional
I’m a little suspicious that the pain in your shoulder is from the racquet or strings. It very well could be mechanics after a 15 year lay off. I would suspect the serving motion over any ground strokes.

You could keep either of those Yonex polys in the mains and then put a 1.30 multi in the cross. That would soften the bed up plenty to let you know if full bed poly is the culprit.

The EZ98 isn’t particularly heavy (static) or HH (balance) so it seems unlikely it is the cause.
Light racquets are worse for your arm, not heavier ones.
 

Bartobolas

New User
1. natural gut - full bed
2. natural gut - mains, multifilament cross
3. wilson nxt
4. technifibre x one biphase

If you want poly:
1. natural gut mains, poly cross (softest one like isospeed cream)

Maybe try Clash racket
Absolutely agree. Gut with Cream is magic, My favorite but not durable. I broke it twice already and gut is holding up. If you're a really advanced player plus that being 16x19 it won't last. I'm currently looking for an alternative to Cream. Close in softness/feel but much higher durability. Ghost Wire isn't bad but not the plushness of cream. 16g for both crosses.
Speaking of Magic I ordered a set and still waiting on reply from String Project as to shipping/tracking. But I'm looking forward to trying it. Supposed to be a close cream alternative.
 

Bartobolas

New User
There are two things you have to do to play with poly comfortably.

1. Cut it out before you feel tightness or soreness in your wrist, elbow, arm or shoulder. It should happen in 7-20 hours for most players who take a full swing -shorter for stiff poly and longer for softer polys. Once you know at what point you get sore, cut it out 2-3 hours before that. The number of hours will be shorter if you play only singles.
2. Most soft polys play great at low tensions in the low-mid forties (lbs). If you string higher, the control goes up very slowly while the comfort declines much faster. So, it is not really worth stringing higher than 50 lbs for most players.

If you follow those two warnings and still get pain, then consider changing strings and/or racquets. Also, make sure you are fully healed before you play again with poly strings.
How do you feel about pre stretching some polys that loose tension fairly quickly?
 

LOBALOT

Legend
How do you feel about pre stretching some polys that loose tension fairly quickly?

Not a fan of pre-stretching poly

As someone noted earlier I do wonder if technique is a factor (late on the forehand, etc.) when I hear of shoulder pain and then a stiff setup makes things worse.
 

Leen

Rookie
Check this video out.
I started also after 20years break and deal now since 1 year with wrist pain. Sometimes my shoulder hurts and i found a good exercise which works. Maybe the pain in your shoulder can be treaten with whis exercise:

What also good: Strengthen your shoulder with 20min exercises every day. Rotator cuff and hanging on a rod. I promise, in 1 month your much stronger on the court, hit harder and your not vulnerable anymore.
I know this is late but this video was exactly what I needed. Ty
 
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