Artengo Tr960 Control Tour

Bought 2 legads this week. One is 305 grammes without plastic but with grip ring.... second one is.... 289 grammes !!!! So Decathlon will refund me. Ouf !
 
and... cherry on the cake ... the first one, i checked the balance : 31,5 cm strung. Way out of specs too. I'm afraid that i could not trust in artengo anymore. I don't understand.
 
mathvieu said:
and... cherry on the cake ... the first one, i checked the balance : 31,5 cm strung. Way out of specs too. I'm afraid that i could not trust in artengo anymore. I don't understand.
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Ouch... I measure it with measuring tape, unstrung balance was about 31ish. Seems like my batch is still under control.

But anyone has any idea of wrist discomfort with this racket? I didn't have that with my EZ100 and Gravity MP. Well, EZ100 with 55lbs tension hurt me back then.
 
ivanjo said:
Ouch... I measure it with measuring tape, unstrung balance was about 31ish. Seems like my batch is still under control.

But anyone has any idea of wrist discomfort with this racket? I didn't have that with my EZ100 and Gravity MP. Well, EZ100 with 55lbs tension hurt me back then.
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No issues at all with these strings within the range 52-48 lbs: Alu Power, Lynx Tour (Champagne), and Hawk Touch.
 
ivanjo said:
Ouch... I measure it with measuring tape, unstrung balance was about 31ish. Seems like my batch is still under control.

But anyone has any idea of wrist discomfort with this racket? I didn't have that with my EZ100 and Gravity MP. Well, EZ100 with 55lbs tension hurt me back then.
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The grip is smaller compare with other brand so I use double overgrip or get a bigger grip size so I can relax my hand for less wrist movement.
 
ariwibowo said:
The grip is smaller compare with other brand so I use double overgrip or get a bigger grip size so I can relax my hand for less wrist movement.
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Are you using grip size 2 by any chance? I think we live in the same city, bro. Thanks for the insight, I will try to put 1 more OG on it. But how a bigger grip can help on this wrist discomfort? Hope you can elaborate so I can understand
 
ivanjo said:
Are you using grip size 2 by any chance? I think we live in the same city, bro. Thanks for the insight, I will try to put 1 more OG on it. But how a bigger grip can help on this wrist discomfort? Hope you can elaborate so I can understand
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Grip size that is too small make you to grip harder so it wont slip. When using the right size, you can relax your hand and less vibration travel to your arm. I use grip 2 with 2 overgrips and grip 3 with 1 overgrip.
 
ariwibowo said:
Grip size that is too small make you to grip harder so it wont slip. When using the right size, you can relax your hand and less vibration travel to your arm. I use grip 2 with 2 overgrips and grip 3 with 1 overgrip.
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Thanks mate, I will try using 2 OG on this racket. Does anyone use LeGads or LeMonf in a competitive play or competition?
 
djNEiGht said:
1) cardio is bad, and my knee is getting worse (really sad)
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if you are on your last legs, no pun intended, and have tried physical therapy and doctors, i would highly recommend giving kneesovertoesguy's youtube channel and his program a shot. has been a miracle of what he's done for so many athletes i know
 
grungebob said:
if you are on your last legs, no pun intended, and have tried physical therapy and doctors, i would highly recommend giving kneesovertoesguy's youtube channel and his program a shot. has been a miracle of what he's done for so many athletes i know
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cheers.

i fell down the back porch stairs in the rain this past weekend. so at this point i need to just feel normal.
 
ivanjo said:
I finally bought the LeGads at local decathlon store after convincing myself by reading all your comments in this thread.

Spec bought:
Artengo TR960 Control Tour (matte paint)
Weight: 304.1gr without plastic on handle and without grip ring
Strung with: Grapplesnake Sniper on main @ 46lbs + Tecnifibre X-One Biphase on cross @ 49lbs
Additional mod: just a layer of Yonex AC102

My background: almost 1 year since I started tennis. Started with Yonex Ezone 100 and after I bought my Head Gravity MP Auxetic, I found my EZ100 is too sluggish as I start liking whippy frame.

Took about 2 months for me to finally pull the trigger to buy this LeGads and I like it. It's different from what I used to: 100 sqin 295-300gr frame and muted feel. This LeGads is very raw in feel. I can feel the vibration when hitting the ball off sweetspot but I don't think it's underpowered. It's less power than my EZ100 but similar to my Gravity MP. It's more whippy than my Gravity MP, but what I like the most is how easy to change direction of the ball with this racket.

Still trying to get used to the feel but I think I can sell my EZ100 now. Not sure if I would like to play with sluggish racket anymore, I appreciate the stability and easy to return heavy ball with it but I can't rip the ball as easy as with the whippy racket.

Oh btw, I feel a bit of discomfort on my wrist, maybe still not used to it yet. Still trying to get my rhythm with this new racket.
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Hey folks,

I would like to hear comparisons between Tengo TR960 (16x19) and tweener rackets like Clash 100 or Gravity MP.

I am a 4.0/4.5 player @ 45 years old, currently playing with a TF40 305 18x20 (leather grip, wich makes it 315g unstrung). I have come from the Prestige line and have always preferred 18x20 frames arround 338g/340g strung and OG... I am fit and I workout 3x a week and play tennis 3x a week. I can produce my own power and I have never liked powerful and wide beam sticks such as Ezones and Pure Aeros.

I really enjoy my TF40 and I am playing my best tennis ever, despite some minor pain in joints. However, I always hear that it is time to try something easier to play, lighter and with bigger sweet spot.

I am considering buying a new stick and Gravity MP sounds to check all boxes except for the head heavy balance. I suddenly got into this thread and got addicted to Artengo TR 960 (16x19) reviews. Is it worth a try? Would it be a little more forgiving than my TF40´s? How does it compare to the Gravity MP or Clash? (I know it is a totally different concept)

Anyone facing the same kind of "dilema"?
 
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@FBL
the LeGads IMO plays like a cheat code racquet. Decent amount of spin, power on tap for the type of frame almost tweener like, but had a good amount of control and feel.

I do like the TF40s and similar thin-ish beam 18m racquets but I also have enjoyed the PA/EZ100. The Gravity MP (v1) was okay and I didn't give it enough time to find my ideal specs but in the end sold it.
 
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@FBL
the LeGads IMO plays like a cheat code racquet. Decent amount of spin, power on tap for the type of frame almost tweener like, but had a good amount of control and feel.

I do like the TF40s and similar thin-ish beam 18m racquets but I also have enjoyed the PA/EZ100. The Gravity MP (v1) was okay and I didn't give it enough time to find my ideal specs but in the end sold it.
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Thanks a lot @djNEiGht!

Since you have plenty of expertise, how do LeGads compare to TF40´s?
 
FBL said:
Thanks a lot @djNEiGht!

Since you have plenty of expertise, how do LeGads compare to TF40´s?
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i wouldn't say plenty or expertise....lol

LeGads
spin
power
comfort

tf40 18
control
plow
stability

for my level of game...LeGads is an easier to pick up and play racquet but I had to tinker with lead/leather. The TF40 I hit the specs easily. Leather and then a touch of lead on hoop to match SW. If I'm in shape and playing regularly, the TF40 does a great job. It's no slouch for spin either but I really had to bring it like many other 18m racquets.

If you can...try and pick up a LeGads on the used market. But IIRC, the retail price isn't that bad either to just get outright. good luck and have fun
 
djNEiGht said:
i wouldn't say plenty or expertise....lol

LeGads
spin
power
comfort

tf40 18
control
plow
stability

for my level of game...LeGads is an easier to pick up and play racquet but I had to tinker with lead/leather. The TF40 I hit the specs easily. Leather and then a touch of lead on hoop to match SW. If I'm in shape and playing regularly, the TF40 does a great job. It's no slouch for spin either but I really had to bring it like many other 18m racquets.

If you can...try and pick up a LeGads on the used market. But IIRC, the retail price isn't that bad either to just get outright. good luck and have fun
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The TR960 16*19 is one of the 3-4 rackets I'm considering for September. In Spring, I had excluded the 16*19 and was sworn by getting only the 18*20, but now I've changed my mind (maybe). Of course, if I actually get one, I'll jump in this thread with my experience.
 
FBL said:
Hey folks,

I would like to hear comparisons between Tengo TR960 (16x19) and tweener rackets like Clash 100 or Gravity MP.

I am a 4.0/4.5 player @ 45 years old, currently playing with a TF40 305 18x20 (leather grip, wich makes it 315g unstrung). I have come from the Prestige line and have always preferred 18x20 frames arround 338g/340g strung and OG... I am fit and I workout 3x a week and play tennis 3x a week. I can produce my own power and I have never liked powerful and wide beam sticks such as Ezones and Pure Aeros.

I really enjoy my TF40 and I am playing my best tennis ever, despite some minor pain in joints. However, I always hear that it is time to try something easier to play, lighter and with bigger sweet spot.

I am considering buying a new stick and Gravity MP sounds to check all boxes except for the head heavy balance. I suddenly got into this thread and got addicted to Artengo TR 960 (16x19) reviews. Is it worth a try? Would it be a little more forgiving than my TF40´s? How do it compare to the Gravity MP or Clash? (I know it is a totally different concept)

Anyone facing the same kind of "dilema"?
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I played a lot with the TF40 v1 (18m) and also the TR960 16m.

@djNEiGht summarised it well. I would add that the TF40 has a crisper feel and the TR960 is a bit more muted.

Playability-wise, the TR960 is a more versatile, all court frame which is more fun to use (in my opinion). It's so whippy so I can pull off more unusual shots with it, and that seems to be the opinion of most people that really like it. In terms of forgiveness, I would say the TF40 is slightly better but with the amazing manoeuvrability of the TR960, my timing comes more easily (the TF40 can feel a bit cumbersome sometimes).

Compared to the Class 100, the TR960 has much more control/precision but less power, and the launch angle is lower and more consistent than the Clash (which I found erratic).

All the frames you mentioned are so different, it sounds like you need to try a few different types of frames to home in on what type is best for you.
 
FBL said:
Hey folks,

I would like to hear comparisons between Tengo TR960 (16x19) and tweener rackets like Clash 100 or Gravity MP.

I am a 4.0/4.5 player @ 45 years old, currently playing with a TF40 305 18x20 (leather grip, wich makes it 315g unstrung). I have come from the Prestige line and have always preferred 18x20 frames arround 338g/340g strung and OG... I am fit and I workout 3x a week and play tennis 3x a week. I can produce my own power and I have never liked powerful and wide beam sticks such as Ezones and Pure Aeros.

I really enjoy my TF40 and I am playing my best tennis ever, despite some minor pain in joints. However, I always hear that it is time to try something easier to play, lighter and with bigger sweet spot.

I am considering buying a new stick and Gravity MP sounds to check all boxes except for the head heavy balance. I suddenly got into this thread and got addicted to Artengo TR 960 (16x19) reviews. Is it worth a try? Would it be a little more forgiving than my TF40´s? How does it compare to the Gravity MP or Clash? (I know it is a totally different concept)

Anyone facing the same kind of "dilema"?
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You're like me a month ago, having a dilemma if I should buy this new kid in the block brand. Thank God I pulled the trigger and now I'm loving it.

So, I tried clash 100 and never like it as the feel is very weird to me, coming from EZ100 user. Then I'm so tempted and bought the Gravity MP Auxetic, it's so different from EZ100 so I give time to adjust.

As I get adjusted to GMP, I like that's it's more maneuverable but it's more head heavy than my liking. I still use it more than my EZ100 since I bought it. Power wise, it's low powered but you can generate your own power so it should be no problem. Forgiveness, it's definitely more forgiving with 100 sqin tear drop head shape.

Then I bought TR960 16m with a lot of doubt and curiosity after reading this thread. It's a heavier racket than what I have but it doesn't feel heavy with its head light balance and very whippy.

I can generate power easily with this racket but I have to adjust to the whippiness of this racket as I tend to use more wrist.

I always bring 3 rackets with me but my first pick always TR960, then if I wanna play easy and relax, I pick up my GMP. I don't know if I should sell my Osaka Ed EZ100 but it looks darn good.
 
Really liking my LeMonfs (I think? 18x20 TR960 Tours).

Anyone have a suggested tension for polys?

I like my crosses a few lbs lower but have found it quite a bit more powerful at the same tension than a Gravity Pro or Blade 98.

I've tried 50/47 and it felt too powerful - 52/49 is better but I'm wondering if I should go even higher.
 
TimePlease said:
... but with the amazing manoeuvrability of the TR960, my timing comes more easily (the TF40 can feel a bit cumbersome sometimes).
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I completely read that with Tennis Guy's Czech accent and quirky emphasis.

Do you happen to know if Decathlon UK or anywhere else in Europe has grommets for LeGads or LeMonf? Yes, this is an old issue, but I've been 'away' for awhile and would like to locate a set or two of both.
 
FBL said:
Hey folks,

I would like to hear comparisons between Tengo TR960 (16x19) and tweener rackets like Clash 100 or Gravity MP.

I am a 4.0/4.5 player @ 45 years old, currently playing with a TF40 305 18x20 (leather grip, wich makes it 315g unstrung). I have come from the Prestige line and have always preferred 18x20 frames arround 338g/340g strung and OG... I am fit and I workout 3x a week and play tennis 3x a week. I can produce my own power and I have never liked powerful and wide beam sticks such as Ezones and Pure Aeros.

I really enjoy my TF40 and I am playing my best tennis ever, despite some minor pain in joints. However, I always hear that it is time to try something easier to play, lighter and with bigger sweet spot.

I am considering buying a new stick and Gravity MP sounds to check all boxes except for the head heavy balance. I suddenly got into this thread and got addicted to Artengo TR 960 (16x19) reviews. Is it worth a try? Would it be a little more forgiving than my TF40´s? How does it compare to the Gravity MP or Clash? (I know it is a totally different concept)

Anyone facing the same kind of "dilema"?
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Late reply, haven't been following the thread

You'll find alot more spin and probably a bit more power with the TR960/16M.
It does need a little modding to be more stable, but the feel is nice and it swings fast. I felt the TF40s were a little sluggish, I think I've used almost all the variants. I had very high hopes for the 315g 16x19, but it felt low-powered, very surprisingly.
TR960 definitely has a higher launch than TF40 but not wild or uncontrollable.
To me this racquet is a better version of the Radical than the current Radical. Versatile, nice feel, I don't find it all that muted, I think some do. Very good spin from the 16M but a good power/control ratio.
You can really dial in the control with string and tension.
I think the Gravity and Clash would be too different from your current racquet whereas the TR960 would be incrementally but noticeably different. If that makes sense
 
Alright, I just unpacked my new TR960s 18x20 (ordered from a friend in France, who gave them to me while being in Europe last week) and I am stunned: Both LeMonfs at 319 grams with a balance of 32.3 cm, as delivered (with the plastic in the handle and paper cardboard in the hoop). Removing the plastic and the cardboard, both at 304 grams and 32.0 cm. I haven't checked the swingweight yet, but they definitely feel similar.

Now, looking at the serial numbers, there are almost 550 racquets in between. It looks to me that they have carefully chosen and sent out two, which are matched. Or I was simply lucky... There are some imperfections in the paintjob (you feel more the labels on the throat compared to the 2022 release, also because the new ones have one or two small bubbles on the Artengo label, and both 2023 frames don't have a perfect finishing by a few millimeters at the grip), but these are minor and I personally don't care. The imperfections at the grip won't be visible anyway once applying the finishing tape.

My first one from the 2022 first gen batch (without any bubbles or imperfections in the paint job) was: 306 g with a balance of 32.3 cm, unstrung. The second, 305 g with 32.1 cm. The grip size 4 feels identical and the new ones are slightly less glossy in the light, as we know already (just the gray part BTW). Having said that, the 2023 ones don't look cheaper IMO, but not nicer either.

Anyway, super happy with the four sticks I am having now and I'll keep you posted about the swingweight as soon as I will get all of them to the shop.
 
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i´ve bought one 18*20 and one 16*19. Unexpected, seems that 18*20 is working better for me, as clay court player i was expecting just the opposite. 18*20 seems to deliver a heavier ball, more control and more stable. Added some lead to the 16*19 (2 grams at 12) and improved a bit, but still 18*20 feels better, i will try to string both with Head Lynx tour as right now each have different strings and the comparation may not be fair, i hope a heavier string will pair the 16*19 model to the 18*20.
Did anybody try this string on this racquet?
 
I’m still struggling with the low sw of the LeGads and haven’t found the right combination of lead/putty for my game. After serving and overhead practice, I can feel the stress in my shoulder from having to really swing out. Never had this problem with my Prestige MP or 93P.

I’m thinking of moving the lead from 3&9 to 12 and ditching the putty for leather. Hopefully that helps. Otherwise, I’ll be putting 3x on the sale forum in the near future (one of which is still brand new so it would be a shame).
 
KickVicious said:
I’m still struggling with the low sw of the LeGads and haven’t found the right combination of lead/putty for my game. After serving and overhead practice, I can feel the stress in my shoulder from having to really swing out. Never had this problem with my Prestige MP or 93P.

I’m thinking of moving the lead from 3&9 to 12 and ditching the putty for leather. Hopefully that helps. Otherwise, I’ll be putting 3x on the sale forum in the near future (one of which is still brand new so it would be a shame).
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what are your current specs? I'll check what I have mine set up at later
 
KickVicious said:
I’m still struggling with the low sw of the LeGads and haven’t found the right combination of lead/putty for my game. After serving and overhead practice, I can feel the stress in my shoulder from having to really swing out. Never had this problem with my Prestige MP or 93P.

I’m thinking of moving the lead from 3&9 to 12 and ditching the putty for leather. Hopefully that helps. Otherwise, I’ll be putting 3x on the sale forum in the near future (one of which is still brand new so it would be a shame).
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3&9 worked well for me with added weight to the handle.
It's true though that I prefer other racquets now, such as the Shift 300 and prostocks 293.1, 351.1.
 
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markus666 said:
i´ve bought one 18*20 and one 16*19. Unexpected, seems that 18*20 is working better for me, as clay court player i was expecting just the opposite. 18*20 seems to deliver a heavier ball, more control and more stable. Added some lead to the 16*19 (2 grams at 12) and improved a bit, but still 18*20 feels better, i will try to string both with Head Lynx tour as right now each have different strings and the comparation may not be fair, i hope a heavier string will pair the 16*19 model to the 18*20.
Did anybody try this string on this racquet?
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I prefer my LeMonf (18x20) over my LeGads as well, but I tend to favor 18x20s, so it's expected. And the good thing about LeMonf is how well it blends with my current favorites, v4 UP 18x20s (Retro LeMonfs). I have LeMonf, past and present, covered, give or take an ounce.
 
Hey guys, how's your racket's paint quality? I just found a paint chip on the neck of the racket and the racket never been dropped at all. Scrape the ground a little, yeah sure. But the racket was stored with a sleeve inside the bag. What makes me curious is the location of the chip is on the neck on the grey paint as the hoop has a black paint instead.
 
ivanjo said:
Hey guys, how's your racket's paint quality? I just found a paint chip on the neck of the racket and the racket never been dropped at all. Scrape the ground a little, yeah sure. But the racket was stored with a sleeve inside the bag. What makes me curious is the location of the chip is on the neck on the grey paint as the hoop has a black paint instead.
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Not the best paint on these, for sure.
 
ivanjo said:
Hey guys, how's your racket's paint quality? I just found a paint chip on the neck of the racket and the racket never been dropped at all. Scrape the ground a little, yeah sure. But the racket was stored with a sleeve inside the bag. What makes me curious is the location of the chip is on the neck on the grey paint as the hoop has a black paint instead.
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Mine arrived new with a pretty big chip in the throat, so my expectations were lowered immediately. Now I think it adds character to the frame. You'll grow to love the blemishes.
 
For those interested I finally got rid of my tennis elbow but I had to add two over grips to my grip 3 Artengo tr960
 
Pneumated1 said:
Mine arrived new with a pretty big chip in the throat, so my expectations were lowered immediately. Now I think it adds character to the frame. You'll grow to love the blemishes.
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Mine looks like it was drug behind a car, but I still love it. Grommets are too far gone to play it until I can get a set.
 
Pneumated1 said:
Mine arrived new with a pretty big chip in the throat, so my expectations were lowered immediately. Now I think it adds character to the frame. You'll grow to love the blemishes.
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I'm kinda a person who likes to keep things pristine but I gotta live with dings and chips to improve my game (even though this chip is not because me scraping the ground) LoL... oh well... grommet is also way too hard to get in here.
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For those interested I finally got rid of my tennis elbow but I had to add two over grips to my grip 3 Artengo tr960
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Yeah, I put 2 overgrips on my grip #2 as well and i love it. Thinking to change to a leather grip but worry to change the character too much because of the balance change. Anyone has replaced the grip with leather?


Btw, anyone also has compared Dunlop CX200 16x19 with this LeGads? I'm not done honeymooning with my LeGads but my shopping itch is tickling me.
 
My TR960s are all L4, but feel like a Wilson L3. That said, I am not sure if this applies to Head... The Speed Pro 2022 L4 felt to me like a Wilson L3.
 
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