As a Federer fan I have already accepted Djokovic will pass 17 and become GOAT

Bad_Knee

Professional
I knew Nadal would never do it, the signs were there that he wouldn't have the longevity, plus he had to contend with Djokovic.

What is there to stop Nole though? Absolutely nothing, he is the best by a country mile and nothing will stop him winning 7 slams over the next 2 or 3 years.

It's sad because I believe Fed is the best, but numbers must be acknowledged, and when Nole gets to 18 which he undoubtedly will, we all must bow and call him the best. We must accept the inevitable.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
I knew Nadal would never do it, the signs were there that he wouldn't have the longevity, plus he had to contend with Djokovic.

What is there to stop Nole though? Absolutely nothing, he is the best by a country mile and nothing will stop him winning 7 slams over the next 2 or 3 years.

It's sad because I believe Fed is the best, but numbers must be acknowledged, and when Nole gets to 18 which he undoubtedly will, we all must bow and call him the best. We must accept the inevitable.
Ya never know man ya never know.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
There are a million external factors that can stop this from happening. All we can do now, is watch and appreciate the level Novak has brought to the game. If he breaks it, good on him but if he doesn't then that's also fine. But there's no reason to feel sad and gloomy about it. Not to mention, Federer is literally right there. All he needs is Novak to have one bad day to pounce. He's been right there for the last 3 slams. So relax and watch how things unfold.
 
Very original and bold topic. :rolleyes:

"I don't have to face them. I don't ask them stupid questions like that.

"I think there are a lot of good players on the tour. I'll tell you that. I think it's hard to keep up that level of play. What he's been doing is amazing. I was very happy how I've been able to keep up my level. Is it better or not? I don't know.

"I think we're both, all of us, with Rafa, Novak, me, Murray, you name it, Stan, we're all very happy with our careers. Of course, you can argue all these cases.

"We're trying our best, you know, everybody. I think we'll all walk away very happy that we were as successful as we were."
 

CYGS

Legend
I knew Nadal would never do it, the signs were there that he wouldn't have the longevity, plus he had to contend with Djokovic.

What is there to stop Nole though? Absolutely nothing, he is the best by a country mile and nothing will stop him winning 7 slams over the next 2 or 3 years.

It's sad because I believe Fed is the best, but numbers must be acknowledged, and when Nole gets to 18 which he undoubtedly will, we all must bow and call him the best. We must accept the inevitable.
Finally some recognition from Fed's camp. Amazing time we are in.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Very original and bold topic. :rolleyes:

"I don't have to face them. I don't ask them stupid questions like that.

"I think there are a lot of good players on the tour. I'll tell you that. I think it's hard to keep up that level of play. What he's been doing is amazing. I was very happy how I've been able to keep up my level. Is it better or not? I don't know.

"I think we're both, all of us, with Rafa, Novak, me, Murray, you name it, Stan, we're all very happy with our careers. Of course, you can argue all these cases.

"We're trying our best, you know, everybody. I think we'll all walk away very happy that we were as successful as we were."

Fed needs to pipe down. He sounded like a sore loser. How about working on that serve when u face novak
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
If "weak era" was used to demean fedr's accomplishments, "WEOAT" will become part of the everyday jargon on this forum when djovic claims #18.

#LostBoys

That weak era's crap. I wasn't hearing that when Sampras played. He had agassi and federer had nadal. There where other players like hewitt and safin.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
That weak era's crap. I wasn't hearing that when Sampras played. He had agassi and federer had nadal. There where other players like hewitt and safin.
My point exactly. There were always a contemporary or younger players developing to win slams and keep the gap close between #1 and the rest of the pack. This is not the case now. Aging fedr and Andy Djoklite can't do it and Lost Boys don't pan out in the end, always injured or mentally folding at crucial moments. You can almost forget about the '88-'96 era kids to help stand up. Some of the teenagers might develop but they are years away from being factors. It really leaves Stan almost totally alone to challenge and that works about one out of every four slams.

#WEOAT
 
I would like to consider myself as a rational Djokovic fan.

The likelihood of Djokovic getting to 15 is low and 17 is stretching it. Djokovic will be 29 and with each and every passing month one of his key skills, his reach on return and defense will go down. His easy power on his groundstrokes will remain because he more of a timer of the ball than a basher. But in order to get to 17 he will need 3 this year and 3 next year. History suggests once he hits 30 slam wins will not come so frequently even if the competition is not strong.

Djokovic might have had a chance if he took 2/3 of those slam finals he didn't win in 2012/2013, but I just think it's a step too far.

Fed fans can breathe easy, history says it's more likely he doesn't catch 17 than he does.
 

CYGS

Legend
I would like to consider myself as a rational Djokovic fan.

The likelihood of Djokovic getting to 15 is low and 17 is stretching it. Djokovic will be 29 and with each and every passing month one of his key skills, his reach on return and defense will go down. His easy power on his groundstrokes will remain because he more of a timer of the ball than a basher. But in order to get to 17 he will need 3 this year and 3 next year. History suggests once he hits 30 slam wins will not come so frequently even if the competition is not strong.

Djokovic might have had a chance if he took 2/3 of those slam finals he didn't win in 2012/2013, but I just think it's a step too far.

Fed fans can breathe easy, history says it's more likely he doesn't catch 17 than he does.
No being pessimistic is different from being reasonable though.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I would like to consider myself as a rational Djokovic fan.

The likelihood of Djokovic getting to 15 is low and 17 is stretching it. Djokovic will be 29 and with each and every passing month one of his key skills, his reach on return and defense will go down. His easy power on his groundstrokes will remain because he more of a timer of the ball than a basher. But in order to get to 17 he will need 3 this year and 3 next year. History suggests once he hits 30 slam wins will not come so frequently even if the competition is not strong.

Djokovic might have had a chance if he took 2/3 of those slam finals he didn't win in 2012/2013, but I just think it's a step too far.

Fed fans can breathe easy, history says it's more likely he doesn't catch 17 than he does.
Who will win those titles in '18 and beyond? Who will step up and BeTheMan???

fedr has proved you can get to the business end of slams consistently at way past 30. If djovic gets there in his early 30's, he will have it in him to close. There's a very different level of mental toughness inside him that will drive him to success in that scenario, especially vs the void of younger crunchtime challengers.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
I would like to consider myself as a rational Djokovic fan.

The likelihood of Djokovic getting to 15 is low and 17 is stretching it. Djokovic will be 29 and with each and every passing month one of his key skills, his reach on return and defense will go down. His easy power on his groundstrokes will remain because he more of a timer of the ball than a basher. But in order to get to 17 he will need 3 this year and 3 next year. History suggests once he hits 30 slam wins will not come so frequently even if the competition is not strong.

Djokovic might have had a chance if he took 2/3 of those slam finals he didn't win in 2012/2013, but I just think it's a step too far.

Fed fans can breathe easy, history says it's more likely he doesn't catch 17 than he does.


Reasonable points, but you can say that about ALL records. Until they are broken.
 
There are a million external factors that can stop this from happening. All we can do now, is watch and appreciate the level Novak has brought to the game. If he breaks it, good on him but if he doesn't then that's also fine. But there's no reason to feel sad and gloomy about it. Not to mention, Federer is literally right there. All he needs is Novak to have one bad day to pounce. He's been right there for the last 3 slams. So relax and watch how things unfold.
I doubt federer is winning another slam, despite how close he been.
 
I would like to consider myself as a rational Djokovic fan.

The likelihood of Djokovic getting to 15 is low and 17 is stretching it. Djokovic will be 29 and with each and every passing month one of his key skills, his reach on return and defense will go down. His easy power on his groundstrokes will remain because he more of a timer of the ball than a basher. But in order to get to 17 he will need 3 this year and 3 next year. History suggests once he hits 30 slam wins will not come so frequently even if the competition is not strong.

Djokovic might have had a chance if he took 2/3 of those slam finals he didn't win in 2012/2013, but I just think it's a step too far.

Fed fans can breathe easy, history says it's more likely he doesn't catch 17 than he does.

History is against him but I honestly think he might do it. I doubt fed and fed fans are gonna breathe easy lol. Djoko is so determined and right now he got an iron grip on this sport.

Fed was so on edge in the post semi interview, snapping at reporters. He knows Djoko could displace him and it ironic as the two don't get on either :D
 
I think Murray and Wawrinka are pretty much still beating him on the right surface/day. Cilic and other big servers can stop him... Raonic if hecan stay health is a threat.

I want Sam Groth to take Novak out at Wimbledon early round.

Basically it is the second year in a row that he looks unstoppable and the third counding 2011 that it will take super human play to get the job done.

Murray at Wimbledon could beat Novak... not easy but doable it just seems like the AO is too slow for anyone but Stan to beat Novak. Stan takes hitting through the court to a new level.

The likelihood of Djokovic getting to 15 is low and 17 is stretching it. Djokovic will be 29 and with each and every passing month one of his key skills, his reach on return and defense will go down. His easy power on his groundstrokes will remain because he more of a timer of the ball than a basher. But in order to get to 17 he will need 3 this year and 3 next year. History suggests once he hits 30 slam wins will not come so frequently even if the competition is not strong.
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He's gonna be winning slams till he is 32-33 so he will get there... especially if he wins 3 or 4 this year. I think he wins RG but loses wimby to Murray.
 
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RF20Lennon

Legend
History is against him but I honestly think he might do it. I doubt fed and fed fans are gonna breathe easy lol. Djoko is so determined and right now he got an iron grip on this sport.

Fed was so on edge in the post semi interview, snapping at reporters. He knows Djoko could displace him and it ironic as the two don't get on either :D

He snapped at reporters for asking whether it's easier for Djokovic since he has no rival and there is no competition. So basically in a way he was supporting Novak.
 

LazyNinja19

Banned
Novak chasing down the 17 Slams


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How Fedr fans are reacting to it

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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
You cannot predict that far away. 17 is still very far from 11. Very, very far and Novak will be 30 next year. Some people just do not understand how hard it is to win slams and how few players have won them after 30.
But I do think Novak is the best player I have ever seen on hard court and his consistency in general is nothing short of frightening.
 
I think Murray and Wawrinka are pretty much still beating him on the right surface/day. Cilic and other big servers can stop him... Raonic if hecan stay health is a threat.

I want Sam Groth to take Novak out at Wimbledon early round.

Basically it is the second year in a row that he looks unstoppable and the third counding 2011 that it will take super human play to get the job done.

Murray at Wimbledon could beat Novak... not easy but doable it just seems like the AO is too slow for anyone but Stan to beat Novak. Stan takes hitting through the court to a new level.

To be honest the only guy I agree with you there is wawrinka. He is the only guy I fear a bit right now. I hope he goes out the French early, I won't lie. As for the rest, Novak defo has their number currently.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
The crazy part is that he lost as much as he did in the first half of his career - against the very players whose records seemed seemingly untouchable just a few years ago. Who would have thought that he's now suddenly knocking on the door for total greatness?
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Yes but it was just strange to see fed so on edge. Normally he calm and collected. You can tell he's worried about his records being caught. Some of them Djoko has already or closing in.

I think it was a mixture of him not being able to break through and generally being annoyed at the media for painting him as old and washed up. Also, I think suggesting that him, Murray, Nadal and the other guys weren't trying hard enough annoyed him and it's also unfair to Djokovic. Federer is fair at the very least.

11 is still far away from 17. I don't think he's worried about the record as so much as trying to figure out how to break through.
 
I think it was a mixture of him not being able to break through and generally being annoyed at the media for painting him as old and washed up. Also, I think suggesting that him, Murray, Nadal and the other guys weren't trying hard enough annoyed him and it's also unfair to Djokovic. Federer is fair at the very least.

11 is still far away from 17. I don't think he's worried about the record as so much as trying to figure out how to break through.

Yeah you are probably right. At moment it's probably more that he annoyed, others are just not up to the Djoko task and fed has been his best challenger but been falling short each time. However, the majors Djoko wins the more worried fed will get. That why he trying to hang around to get another but in the process Djoko keeps beating him in the big matches.

We will see what happens going forward.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Yeah you are probably right. At moment it's probably more that he annoyed, others are just not up to the Djoko task and fed has been his best challenger but been falling short each time. However, the majors Djoko wins the more worried fed will get. That why he trying to hang around to get another but in the process Djoko keeps beating him in the big matches.

We will see what happens going forward.

Yeah I agree. Only time will tell.
 
To be honest the only guy I agree with you there is wawrinka. He is the only guy I fear a bit right now. I hope he goes out the French early, I won't lie. As for the rest, Novak defo has their number currently.
Rational response...Ive never seen anyone hit as hard as Wawarinka does when he's on. Murray has the serve, volley skills and BH slice to beat Novak at Wimby. Fed used to he's retiring at within the year... especially if he stops getting to semis.
 
Rational response...Ive never seen anyone hit as hard as Wawarinka does when he's on. Murray has the serve, volley skills and BH slice to beat Novak at Wimby. Fed used to he's retiring at within the year... especially if he stops getting to semis.[/QUOTE

Yeah stans ability to hit BH and FH down the line at frightening velocity is the only type of shots consistently that can break down the djoker machine. Nadals FH when at its best could, but Rafa is in decline and has for sometime. Whether he can bounce back for the clay season, we will see.

Fed has done remarkable at his age and he may surprise and get another but I feel all these losses to Djokovic might just affect him to much mentally and someone else could step up soon. However, we never know.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
It's become very clear that Novak can in fact never become the GOAT. Even in his very best phase of domination he is still regularly a lesser player than a 34 (or was it 37) year-old on the scarce (medium-)fast courts that still exist. Hence it is clear that he has been unduly served by a shift in conditions on the tour that happened at a too convenient time.
As we know, similar arguments deter Fedr from GOAT-status seeing as he was dominated by a 15 year-old who didn't even play with his correct arm.

Only Pete has showed an ability to dominate his rivals and be the best on a tour that celebrated a variety of skills.
 
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terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Well, what if he wins the grand slam this year ? That will be 14 !
He would already have been at 12 right now, save for a hot day in June.
 
It's become very clear that Novak can in fact never become the GOAT. Even in his very best phase of domination, he is still regularly a lesser player than a 34 (or was it 37) year-old on the scarce (medium-)fast courts that still exist. Hence it is clear that he has been unduly served by a shift in conditions on the tour that happened at a too convenient time.
That might be a valid point regarding not being the best on fast HC, but it kind of loses credibility when you use Sampras as an example who was getting beaten left and right on clay during his era.

Also Fed's wins vs Novak at Dubai and Shanghai or even the WTF RR actually count for diddly squat int he grand scheme of things. The greats are judged on one thing and one thing alone, performances in the big events. They are primarily slams. I'm pretty sure Fed would hand every single one of his masters and 500 titles for just even one more slam.
 
If Wawrinka beats Fed at Wimby then that is when he will seriously consider retiring. That said look for wimby to be faster this year than last. I believe Murray could have beaten Novak at Wimby last year.

Basically Fed needs some serious luck to win a slam these days and the 2014 USO was his opportunity.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
I knew Nadal would never do it, the signs were there that he wouldn't have the longevity, plus he had to contend with Djokovic.

What is there to stop Nole though? Absolutely nothing, he is the best by a country mile and nothing will stop him winning 7 slams over the next 2 or 3 years.

It's sad because I believe Fed is the best, but numbers must be acknowledged, and when Nole gets to 18 which he undoubtedly will, we all must bow and call him the best. We must accept the inevitable.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
At the moment, it is still easier for Fed to reach 18 than for Novak.
I have little doubt that they will finish as the Top 2 players of the open era. Will have to wait and see who is the No. 1 of the open era.
 

dunlop_fort_knox

Professional
I knew Nadal would never do it, the signs were there that he wouldn't have the longevity, plus he had to contend with Djokovic.

What is there to stop Nole though? Absolutely nothing, he is the best by a country mile and nothing will stop him winning 7 slams over the next 2 or 3 years.

It's sad because I believe Fed is the best, but numbers must be acknowledged, and when Nole gets to 18 which he undoubtedly will, we all must bow and call him the best. We must accept the inevitable.
i like how you are getting out in front of this by a couple years. visionary.
 

dunlop_fort_knox

Professional
It's become very clear that Novak can in fact never become the GOAT. Even in his very best phase of domination, he is still regularly a lesser player than a 34 (or was it 37) year-old on the scarce (medium-)fast courts that still exist. Hence it is clear that he has been unduly served by a shift in conditions on the tour that happened at a too convenient time.
As we know, similar arguments deter Fedr from GOAT-status seeing as he was dominated by a 15 year-old who didn't even play with his correct arm.

Only Pete has showed an ability to dominate his rivals and be the best on a tour that celebrated a variety of skills.
AO was fastest surface on the tour this year and fed was almost bageled twice in the semis. #acceptancephase
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
It's become very clear that Novak can in fact never become the GOAT. Even in his very best phase of domination, he is still regularly a lesser player than a 34 (or was it 37) year-old on the scarce (medium-)fast courts that still exist. Hence it is clear that he has been unduly served by a shift in conditions on the tour that happened at a too convenient time.
As we know, similar arguments deter Fedr from GOAT-status seeing as he was dominated by a 15 year-old who didn't even play with his correct arm.

Only Pete has showed an ability to dominate his rivals and be the best on a tour that celebrated a variety of skills.
Sysyphus, illegitimate son of 60's Weed!:p:D:eek:
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
Well, what if he wins the grand slam this year ? That will be 14 !
He would already have been at 12 right now, save for a hot day in June.

What if he doesn't win the FO and then picks up on a injury which takes him out for a few months? Then he finishes the year on 11.

We all just have to wait and see I think.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
The odds are HEAVILY AGAINST Djoker reaching 18 despite his present dominance. Would be cool tho.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
I'm a Nole fan and I just don't see this. We need to wait a bit. If Nole can age as well as Fed has he may have a chance.
 
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moonballs

Hall of Fame
NOLE is likely to tie or surpass Nadal's slam counts, which will makes him the better ATG of the two.

He might surpass Fed's no 1 record.

He is unlikely to reach 17 or more slams. But if he does I have no problem to regard him as GOAT.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
he has a good shot. Fed playing well at his age makes me think Novak (who seems the most physically fit 28 year old i've seen) can, and he'll have not much competition. Then again if he has a bad day there is a chance Fed could extend the lead by bagging another slam. He still has a little bit of a say in Wimbledon and NY. Stan also could help him out by knocking out Djokovic.
 

tipsa...don'tlikehim!

Talk Tennis Guru
Does he need to pass 17 though? If he ends up with 17 (or 16) but wins the olympic gold this year, Cincinnati at least once, and of course the FO once he will be regarded as the greater player of the open era.
Most importantly, if he wins the French open in 2016, he would have won 4 slams in a row, which nobody did since Laver.

It is a lot to ask, but if Djokovic wins the French open in a few months (he is the favourite), then he needs 4 additional slams after that. These are big IF but personnally I can't see him fail at the French open again.
 

Agassifan

Hall of Fame
Djokovic has been dominant for the past 5+ years, in which he won 8 slams. He needs to win 7 more to pass Fed. It is doable, but very hard.
 
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