As an old school tennis fan who loved Sampras, Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Federer etc tsitsipas is the man for me!

Subway Tennis

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Pete was awful on clay and also not so successful in AO. He was one of the best exponents of fast courts. But what agassi achieved in a time where every court played differently is quite great and I think if agassi could have got about 4 more slams he would have been on par with pete. I am not so sure but out of all people who have the career grand slam agassi has faced the most varying conditions.
Never said anything about Pete in regard to clay so not sure why you're quoting me here.
 
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DreddyTennis45

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Tsitsipas wawrinka and Federer are the only players keeping me involved and watching the tour on a week to week basis. I’ve been a fanatic since I was 6 years old. I’m 30 now. If you like attack based, all court tennis, single backhand and good mental strength they are the only 3 players that I know fit the bill in 2019! When I started watching tennis in 1995 there were dozens of these style players. The way the tour and tennis in general has gone in the last 20 years is sad to witness and the people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. What they have done making nearly every court in the world slow is a disgrace and it’s ruied tennis as a global power. It’s down to the terrible baseline moonballing style of play in the last 15 years that tennis is no longer Popular. Tennis has sold out. I want the people responsible for the slow balls and courts held accountable for there decisions to make tennis into some money earning machine. There was no need to ruin things.

Any body willing to name names on who coursed this to happen to tennis please spread the word.
You almost had me there!

 

NicoMK

Professional
When I was young (and I'm older than the OP), my idols were Wilander, Becker, Sampras, McEnroe and I also liked Lendl, Edberg and later Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Pioline etc.

Useless to say that I am more than bored with the current generation, let's say since the mid 2000... not that they aren't great players because obviously they are but uh when I read that the last ten slams have been won by only three players (which are the same as ever), what a bore! And shall we talk about Nadal's 12th RG? I mean, on a sports point of view that is great, that's even unbelievable if you put into perspective the 6 Roland Garros of Björn Borg, one of the greatest athletes of all times.

But today's generation is dull. Amazing records but strong egos, some sour losers despite appearances, same old polite press conferences and post match speeches. On a personal point of view, I don't like the game that is being played these days (bloody Wimbledon that can be won from the back of the court!). And money, money, money...

I miss the Cash, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Noah, Safin.... Sampras, Agassi, Becker or Wilander -- remember the players' strike that occurred during the 1988 USO? They all brought something to professional tennis with their game AND personality. What do the current players bring apart, yes, amazing records and figures -- and they have my respect for this?

So, I too think that Tsitsipas can bring something else. He has the shots, he has the personality maybe, he just needs to become more adult on some points but hey, he's still 20 or so, let's give him a little bit of time and we will see.
 
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Ann

Hall of Fame
When I was young (and I'm older than the OP), my idols were Wilander, Becker, Sampras, McEnroe and I also liked Lendl, Edberg and later Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Pioline etc.

Useless to say that I am more than bored with the current generation, let's say since the mid 2000... not that they aren't great players because obviously they are but uh when I read that the last ten slams have been won by only three players (which are the same as ever), what a bore! And shall we talk about Nadal's 12th RG? I mean, on a sports point of view that is great, that's even unbelievable if you put into perspective the 6 Roland Garros of Björn Borg, one of the greatest athletes of all times.

But today's generation is dull. Amazing records but strong egos, some sour losers despite appearances, same old polite press conferences and post match speeches. On a personal point of view, I don't like the game that is being played these days (bloody Wimbledon that can be won from the back of the court!). And money, money, money...

I miss the Cash, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Noah, Safin.... Sampras, Agassi, Becker or Wilander -- remember the players' strike that occurred during the 1988 USO? They all brought something to professional tennis with their game AND personality. What do the current players bring apart, yes, amazing records and figures -- and they have my respect for this?

So, I too think that Tsitsipas can bring something else. He has the shots, he has the personality maybe, he just needs to become more adult on some points but hey, he's still 20 or so, let's give him a little bit of time and we will see.
PLEASE POST MORE
 

mahesh69a

Rookie
When I was young (and I'm older than the OP), my idols were Wilander, Becker, Sampras, McEnroe and I also liked Lendl, Edberg and later Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Pioline etc.

Useless to say that I am more than bored with the current generation, let's say since the mid 2000... not that they aren't great players because obviously they are but uh when I read that the last ten slams have been won by only three players (which are the same as ever), what a bore! And shall we talk about Nadal's 12th RG? I mean, on a sports point of view that is great, that's even unbelievable if you put into perspective the 6 Roland Garros of Björn Borg, one of the greatest athletes of all times.

But today's generation is dull. Amazing records but strong egos, some sour losers despite appearances, same old polite press conferences and post match speeches. On a personal point of view, I don't like the game that is being played these days (bloody Wimbledon that can be won from the back of the court!). And money, money, money...

I miss the Cash, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Noah, Safin.... Sampras, Agassi, Becker or Wilander -- remember the players' strike that occurred during the 1988 USO? They all brought something to professional tennis with their game AND personality. What do the current players bring apart, yes, amazing records and figures -- and they have my respect for this?

So, I too think that Tsitsipas can bring something else. He has the shots, he has the personality maybe, he just needs to become more adult on some points but hey, he's still 20 or so, let's give him a little bit of time and we will see.
You have an optimistic outlook ...

But I think the there is too much money (in not just tennis, but most popular sports or anything popular for that matter) for people to show genuine emotions/passions.

Fabricated personalities are the norm (there will be exceptions) and unfortunately, I think the trend is here to stay.
 

Luka888

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas needs to earn it and grow up. I hope he can get it. Being pretty is not enough in my book. I like him but I need to see more.

By the way I wouldn't put his name in the same sentence with Edberg, Lendl, Becker or Fed. That is just too much. Stefanos hasn't accomplished anything yet. It might happen or not. Let's not go crazy here.
 

NicoMK

Professional
Tsitsipas needs to earn it and grow up.

By the way I wouldn't put his name in the same sentence with Edberg, Lendl, Becker or Fed. That is just too much. Stefanos hasn't accomplished anything yet. It might happen or not. Let's not go crazy here.
We haven’t ;).

I think that what was said is that he may have something both in his game and personality that former greats used to have. Time will tell. As you said: he needs to earn it and grow up.

I’d be happy if he could bring some serve and volley this year at Wimbledon :cool:. Let’s see what Federer can do too. I’m no fan but these two are my only minor hopes to counter bashing tennis on grass.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas wawrinka and Federer are the only players keeping me involved and watching the tour on a week to week basis. I’ve been a fanatic since I was 6 years old. I’m 30 now. If you like attack based, all court tennis, single backhand and good mental strength they are the only 3 players that I know fit the bill in 2019! When I started watching tennis in 1995 there were dozens of these style players. The way the tour and tennis in general has gone in the last 20 years is sad to witness and the people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. What they have done making nearly every court in the world slow is a disgrace and it’s ruied tennis as a global power. It’s down to the terrible baseline moonballing style of play in the last 15 years that tennis is no longer Popular. Tennis has sold out. I want the people responsible for the slow balls and courts held accountable for there decisions to make tennis into some money earning machine. There was no need to ruin things.

Any body willing to name names on who coursed this to happen to tennis please spread the word.
Agree 150%.
You had to like Rafter back then too. An under-rated serve and if at the baseline worked his way to the net during the point. His type of work ethic and desire is not on the tour today.
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
Agree 150%.
You had to like Rafter back then too. An under-rated serve and if at the baseline worked his way to the net during the point. His type of work ethic and desire is not on the tour today.
I absolutely respect pat rafter and his game was my kind of game. Great style. It’s just him and Sampras were rivals at the time.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Who's going to be his competition? The weakest era in history is only going to get weaker.
Sampras came out of nowhere to win the USO in 1990. And Tsitsipas is about 1/10th the player that Pete was at age 20. I’m still hoping there is some junior out there with a monster serve and nerves of steel. We just haven’t heard of them yet.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
hmm I mean he has a 1hbh. That’s really the only similarity I see between him and most of these players, and in many cases I view him as the exact opposite !
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
tsitsipas is fun to watch for sure. contrast is what keeps it interesting. as long as we’ve got a couple one handers in there, some net play, couple servebots, a few ballbashers, and the usual contingent of grinders we’ll be ok.

if shapovalov can learn to hit a groundstroke without winding up 280 degrees around his body he’ll be ok.
 
Sampras came out of nowhere to win the USO in 1990. And Tsitsipas is about 1/10th the player that Pete was at age 20. I’m still hoping there is some junior out there with a monster serve and nerves of steel. We just haven’t heard of them yet.
Felix will be the one.
 
Sampras came out of nowhere to win the USO in 1990. And Tsitsipas is about 1/10th the player that Pete was at age 20. I’m still hoping there is some junior out there with a monster serve and nerves of steel. We just haven’t heard of them yet.
The name Lenny and Leo come to mind :p.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
I'm completely sold on his game.

If he could just stop questioning every line call, taking excessively long bathroom breaks, tapping his racket while his opponent serves, being a dick to ballboys while also complaining about tour entitlement, and overall acting like he's the 2nd coming of Socrates.....that'd be great.
Just give him time.....Federer wasn't exactly a saintly person on court at the age of 20.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Just give him time.....Federer wasn't exactly a saintly person on court at the age of 20.
I will give him time, and I'm super excited about his prospects.

But I'm not going to become a fan out of the assumption that he'll grow up. I have to see it first, because some guys never do.
 

arvind13

Professional
dustin brown is my favourite player on tour. he may be a journeyman ranked below 100, but he shows integrity and class by choosing an artistic and athletic serve and volley style and swashbuckling groundstrokes, instead of buckling and adapting a cookie cutter baseline game. One of the few guys on tour with an interesting unique look and personality and game. He is himself. no facades. and he is the last of an almost extinct breed: a grass court serve and volley specialist.
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
dustin brown is my favourite player on tour. he may be a journeyman ranked below 100, but he shows integrity and class by choosing an artistic and athletic serve and volley style and swashbuckling groundstrokes, instead of buckling and adapting a cookie cutter baseline game. One of the few guys on tour with an interesting unique look and personality and game. He is himself. no facades. and he is the last of an almost extinct breed: a grass court serve and volley specialist.
Him beating nadal twice proves what Sampras would do to nadal at Wimbledon
 

DSH

Legend
Είναι αλήθεια ότι ο Τσιτσιπάς είναι ο δρόμος προς το φως!
:)
 

arvind13

Professional
Him beating nadal twice proves what Sampras would do to nadal at Wimbledon
nadal on the 90s courts with lighter tennis balls, wouldn't win any slam beyond french. even with the current racquets. maybe one aussie open. thats about it. us open was lightning fast in the 90s compared to today. AO which used to be the second slowest slam after the french is now the fastest slam. US Open today plays as slow as a clay court.

Djokovic would do better than nadal but he wouldn't be dominant. djokovic would be somewhere between an agassi and an ivan lendl level player. he would do well at AO. us open he would struggle might win a couple. wimbledon he would be lucky to get one title. and french open he would probably not win more than one. even if there was no nadal, there were plenty of clay court specialists in the 90s who could take out djokovic at the french.
 

AlexanderTheGreat08

Hall of Fame
nadal on the 90s courts with lighter tennis balls, wouldn't win any slam beyond french. even with the current racquets. maybe one aussie open. thats about it. us open was lightning fast in the 90s compared to today. AO which used to be the second slowest slam after the french is now the fastest slam. US Open today plays as slow as a clay court.

Djokovic would do better than nadal but he wouldn't be dominant. djokovic would be somewhere between an agassi and an ivan lendl level player. he would do well at AO. us open he would struggle might win a couple. wimbledon he would be lucky to get one title. and french open he would probably not win more than one. even if there was no nadal, there were plenty of clay court specialists in the 90s who could take out djokovic at the french.
Both Nadal and Joe could find ways to adapt
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
Tsitsipas wawrinka and Federer are the only players keeping me involved and watching the tour on a week to week basis. I’ve been a fanatic since I was 6 years old. I’m 30 now. If you like attack based, all court tennis, single backhand and good mental strength they are the only 3 players that I know fit the bill in 2019! When I started watching tennis in 1995 there were dozens of these style players. The way the tour and tennis in general has gone in the last 20 years is sad to witness and the people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. What they have done making nearly every court in the world slow is a disgrace and it’s ruied tennis as a global power. It’s down to the terrible baseline moonballing style of play in the last 15 years that tennis is no longer Popular. Tennis has sold out. I want the people responsible for the slow balls and courts held accountable for there decisions to make tennis into some money earning machine. There was no need to ruin things.

Any body willing to name names on who coursed this to happen to tennis please spread the word.
Some people know tennis. Some don’t!
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
Best all round combination of forehand,serve,volley, backhand and most importantly mental strength on the tour. God he’s like a combination of Sampras and Federer.

Unlike all the other next gen snowflakes who are mental midgets Tsitsipas is tough mentally.

At the worst he’s a 10 slam player.

Finally we have someone to dethrone nadal and Djokovic next year
 

BGod

Legend
With the 1HBH mold I think you gotta cheer for Thiem, Shap & yes Grigor along with Stefanos.

You just need those other pieces. We got such a treat with 2 of the last 3 WTF matches with 1HBH duels.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
ok boomer
You people managed to kill this meme in like 2 weeks

Anyways Stef and Denis have by far the most aesthetic games. Denis is more explosive and athletic but less fluid and much less cerebral. Hopefully he matures and we can see both guys battle it out for the top spot
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
Let us hope he does . Tennis will flourish if

Tsitsipas , Thiem , Sinner , Kyrgios Are top 5
So true. They are all likeable, straight, honest pros who play in entertaining style.

If they are the top 5 for the next 5 years it will be better than the Djokovic nadal Murray eras.

God Djokovic and nadal are boring
 

undecided

Semi-Pro
Best all round combination of forehand,serve,volley, backhand and most importantly mental strength on the tour. God he’s like a combination of Sampras and Federer.

Unlike all the other next gen snowflakes who are mental midgets Tsitsipas is tough mentally.

At the worst he’s a 10 slam player.

Finally we have someone to dethrone nadal and Djokovic next year
He is a conundrum. He wins matches where he seems to be physically tiring like the Nitto Finals. His legs were giving out but he won.
 

Ombelibable

Rookie
Tsitsipas wawrinka and Federer are the only players keeping me involved and watching the tour on a week to week basis. I’ve been a fanatic since I was 6 years old. I’m 30 now. If you like attack based, all court tennis, single backhand and good mental strength they are the only 3 players that I know fit the bill in 2019! When I started watching tennis in 1995 there were dozens of these style players. The way the tour and tennis in general has gone in the last 20 years is sad to witness and the people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. What they have done making nearly every court in the world slow is a disgrace and it’s ruied tennis as a global power. It’s down to the terrible baseline moonballing style of play in the last 15 years that tennis is no longer Popular. Tennis has sold out. I want the people responsible for the slow balls and courts held accountable for there decisions to make tennis into some money earning machine. There was no need to ruin things.

Any body willing to name names on who coursed this to happen to tennis please spread the word.
They slowed down the courts to catch up with racquet technology. If they hadn't, tennis would've become a game of servebots. You're just salty that Sampras legacy has been destroyed in one generation and are trying to rationalize.
 

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
They slowed down the courts to catch up with racquet technology. If they hadn't, tennis would've become a game of servebots. You're just salty that Sampras legacy has been destroyed in one generation and are trying to rationalize.
Sampras legacy has just been completed in the last few years.
The fact 3 players in the same era have passed him proves that it’s not that they are better players it’s The PEDs, courts and rackets.
I’m sure many players will pass Sampras slam total. Doesn’t mean a darn thing in a era like though.

#samprasisgoat
 

Ombelibable

Rookie
Sampras legacy has just been completed in the last few years.
The fact 3 players in the same era have passed him proves that it’s not that they are better players it’s The PEDs, courts and rackets.
I’m sure many players will pass Sampras slam total. Doesn’t mean a darn thing in a era like though.

#samprasisgoat
So you're saying that Sampras is better than three players who've each achieved more than him and mastered an entire extra surface only because of external factors? I laud your determination to pursue your agenda just for second hand glory despite ample evidence.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
dustin brown...shows integrity...by choosing [a] serve and volley style...instead of a cookie cutter baseline game. He is himself. no facades.
Gotta love how people attribute playing styles to a player's morality and ethics. What a crock of ****.

Chip + charge = Working in a soup kitchen
Serve + volley = Bringing water to a thirsty third world village
Baseliner = S&Ver putting on a facade for success, because anyone can be a 16-19 slam champion if they play from the baseline
Topspin baselining = Rwandan genocide
 
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clout

Hall of Fame
You people managed to kill this meme in like 2 weeks

Anyways Stef and Denis have by far the most aesthetic games. Denis is more explosive and athletic but less fluid and much less cerebral. Hopefully he matures and we can see both guys battle it out for the top spot
LOL trust me this was only the second time I've used this meme. Tbh though, it kind of relates to the context of this thread since OP is talking about being "old-school" and how things were better in the past, hence the "ok boomer" meme has an actual meaning and connection here lol
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
Gotta love how people attribute playing styles to a player's morality and ethics. What a crock of ****.

Chip + charge = Working in a soup kitchen
Serve + volley = Bringing water to a thirsty third world village
Baseliner = S&Ver putting on a facade for success, because anyone can be a 16-19 slam champion if they play from the baseline
Topspin baselining = Rwandan genocide
Knock Knock, hello

No, I'm not here to talk to you about Jesus, we're the ********, you're not hiding any moonballers in your basement by any chance?
 
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