As an old school tennis fan who loved Sampras, Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Federer etc tsitsipas is the man for me!

#51
Pete was awful on clay and also not so successful in AO. He was one of the best exponents of fast courts. But what agassi achieved in a time where every court played differently is quite great and I think if agassi could have got about 4 more slams he would have been on par with pete. I am not so sure but out of all people who have the career grand slam agassi has faced the most varying conditions.
Never said anything about Pete in regard to clay so not sure why you're quoting me here.
 
#52
Tsitsipas wawrinka and Federer are the only players keeping me involved and watching the tour on a week to week basis. I’ve been a fanatic since I was 6 years old. I’m 30 now. If you like attack based, all court tennis, single backhand and good mental strength they are the only 3 players that I know fit the bill in 2019! When I started watching tennis in 1995 there were dozens of these style players. The way the tour and tennis in general has gone in the last 20 years is sad to witness and the people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. What they have done making nearly every court in the world slow is a disgrace and it’s ruied tennis as a global power. It’s down to the terrible baseline moonballing style of play in the last 15 years that tennis is no longer Popular. Tennis has sold out. I want the people responsible for the slow balls and courts held accountable for there decisions to make tennis into some money earning machine. There was no need to ruin things.

Any body willing to name names on who coursed this to happen to tennis please spread the word.
You almost had me there!

 
#53
When I was young (and I'm older than the OP), my idols were Wilander, Becker, Sampras, McEnroe and I also liked Lendl, Edberg and later Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Pioline etc.

Useless to say that I am more than bored with the current generation, let's say since the mid 2000... not that they aren't great players because obviously they are but uh when I read that the last ten slams have been won by only three players (which are the same as ever), what a bore! And shall we talk about Nadal's 12th RG? I mean, on a sports point of view that is great, that's even unbelievable if you put into perspective the 6 Roland Garros of Björn Borg, one of the greatest athletes of all times.

But today's generation is dull. Amazing records but strong egos, some sour losers despite appearances, same old polite press conferences and post match speeches. On a personal point of view, I don't like the game that is being played these days (bloody Wimbledon that can be won from the back of the court!). And money, money, money...

I miss the Cash, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Noah, Safin.... Sampras, Agassi, Becker or Wilander -- remember the players' strike that occurred during the 1988 USO? They all brought something to professional tennis with their game AND personality. What do the current players bring apart, yes, amazing records and figures -- and they have my respect for this?

So, I too think that Tsitsipas can bring something else. He has the shots, he has the personality maybe, he just needs to become more adult on some points but hey, he's still 20 or so, let's give him a little bit of time and we will see.
 
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Ann

Hall of Fame
#54
When I was young (and I'm older than the OP), my idols were Wilander, Becker, Sampras, McEnroe and I also liked Lendl, Edberg and later Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Pioline etc.

Useless to say that I am more than bored with the current generation, let's say since the mid 2000... not that they aren't great players because obviously they are but uh when I read that the last ten slams have been won by only three players (which are the same as ever), what a bore! And shall we talk about Nadal's 12th RG? I mean, on a sports point of view that is great, that's even unbelievable if you put into perspective the 6 Roland Garros of Björn Borg, one of the greatest athletes of all times.

But today's generation is dull. Amazing records but strong egos, some sour losers despite appearances, same old polite press conferences and post match speeches. On a personal point of view, I don't like the game that is being played these days (bloody Wimbledon that can be won from the back of the court!). And money, money, money...

I miss the Cash, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Noah, Safin.... Sampras, Agassi, Becker or Wilander -- remember the players' strike that occurred during the 1988 USO? They all brought something to professional tennis with their game AND personality. What do the current players bring apart, yes, amazing records and figures -- and they have my respect for this?

So, I too think that Tsitsipas can bring something else. He has the shots, he has the personality maybe, he just needs to become more adult on some points but hey, he's still 20 or so, let's give him a little bit of time and we will see.
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#55
When I was young (and I'm older than the OP), my idols were Wilander, Becker, Sampras, McEnroe and I also liked Lendl, Edberg and later Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Pioline etc.

Useless to say that I am more than bored with the current generation, let's say since the mid 2000... not that they aren't great players because obviously they are but uh when I read that the last ten slams have been won by only three players (which are the same as ever), what a bore! And shall we talk about Nadal's 12th RG? I mean, on a sports point of view that is great, that's even unbelievable if you put into perspective the 6 Roland Garros of Björn Borg, one of the greatest athletes of all times.

But today's generation is dull. Amazing records but strong egos, some sour losers despite appearances, same old polite press conferences and post match speeches. On a personal point of view, I don't like the game that is being played these days (bloody Wimbledon that can be won from the back of the court!). And money, money, money...

I miss the Cash, McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Noah, Safin.... Sampras, Agassi, Becker or Wilander -- remember the players' strike that occurred during the 1988 USO? They all brought something to professional tennis with their game AND personality. What do the current players bring apart, yes, amazing records and figures -- and they have my respect for this?

So, I too think that Tsitsipas can bring something else. He has the shots, he has the personality maybe, he just needs to become more adult on some points but hey, he's still 20 or so, let's give him a little bit of time and we will see.
You have an optimistic outlook ...

But I think the there is too much money (in not just tennis, but most popular sports or anything popular for that matter) for people to show genuine emotions/passions.

Fabricated personalities are the norm (there will be exceptions) and unfortunately, I think the trend is here to stay.
 

Luka888

Professional
#56
Tsitsipas needs to earn it and grow up. I hope he can get it. Being pretty is not enough in my book. I like him but I need to see more.

By the way I wouldn't put his name in the same sentence with Edberg, Lendl, Becker or Fed. That is just too much. Stefanos hasn't accomplished anything yet. It might happen or not. Let's not go crazy here.
 
#58
Tsitsipas needs to earn it and grow up.

By the way I wouldn't put his name in the same sentence with Edberg, Lendl, Becker or Fed. That is just too much. Stefanos hasn't accomplished anything yet. It might happen or not. Let's not go crazy here.
We haven’t ;).

I think that what was said is that he may have something both in his game and personality that former greats used to have. Time will tell. As you said: he needs to earn it and grow up.

I’d be happy if he could bring some serve and volley this year at Wimbledon :cool:. Let’s see what Federer can do too. I’m no fan but these two are my only minor hopes to counter bashing tennis on grass.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
#60
Tsitsipas wawrinka and Federer are the only players keeping me involved and watching the tour on a week to week basis. I’ve been a fanatic since I was 6 years old. I’m 30 now. If you like attack based, all court tennis, single backhand and good mental strength they are the only 3 players that I know fit the bill in 2019! When I started watching tennis in 1995 there were dozens of these style players. The way the tour and tennis in general has gone in the last 20 years is sad to witness and the people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. What they have done making nearly every court in the world slow is a disgrace and it’s ruied tennis as a global power. It’s down to the terrible baseline moonballing style of play in the last 15 years that tennis is no longer Popular. Tennis has sold out. I want the people responsible for the slow balls and courts held accountable for there decisions to make tennis into some money earning machine. There was no need to ruin things.

Any body willing to name names on who coursed this to happen to tennis please spread the word.
Agree 150%.
You had to like Rafter back then too. An under-rated serve and if at the baseline worked his way to the net during the point. His type of work ethic and desire is not on the tour today.
 
#61
Agree 150%.
You had to like Rafter back then too. An under-rated serve and if at the baseline worked his way to the net during the point. His type of work ethic and desire is not on the tour today.
I absolutely respect pat rafter and his game was my kind of game. Great style. It’s just him and Sampras were rivals at the time.
 
#64
hmm I mean he has a 1hbh. That’s really the only similarity I see between him and most of these players, and in many cases I view him as the exact opposite !
 
#65
tsitsipas is fun to watch for sure. contrast is what keeps it interesting. as long as we’ve got a couple one handers in there, some net play, couple servebots, a few ballbashers, and the usual contingent of grinders we’ll be ok.

if shapovalov can learn to hit a groundstroke without winding up 280 degrees around his body he’ll be ok.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
#68
I'm completely sold on his game.

If he could just stop questioning every line call, taking excessively long bathroom breaks, tapping his racket while his opponent serves, being a dick to ballboys while also complaining about tour entitlement, and overall acting like he's the 2nd coming of Socrates.....that'd be great.
Just give him time.....Federer wasn't exactly a saintly person on court at the age of 20.
 
#70
dustin brown is my favourite player on tour. he may be a journeyman ranked below 100, but he shows integrity and class by choosing an artistic and athletic serve and volley style and swashbuckling groundstrokes, instead of buckling and adapting a cookie cutter baseline game. One of the few guys on tour with an interesting unique look and personality and game. He is himself. no facades. and he is the last of an almost extinct breed: a grass court serve and volley specialist.
 
#72
dustin brown is my favourite player on tour. he may be a journeyman ranked below 100, but he shows integrity and class by choosing an artistic and athletic serve and volley style and swashbuckling groundstrokes, instead of buckling and adapting a cookie cutter baseline game. One of the few guys on tour with an interesting unique look and personality and game. He is himself. no facades. and he is the last of an almost extinct breed: a grass court serve and volley specialist.
Him beating nadal twice proves what Sampras would do to nadal at Wimbledon
 
#75
Him beating nadal twice proves what Sampras would do to nadal at Wimbledon
nadal on the 90s courts with lighter tennis balls, wouldn't win any slam beyond french. even with the current racquets. maybe one aussie open. thats about it. us open was lightning fast in the 90s compared to today. AO which used to be the second slowest slam after the french is now the fastest slam. US Open today plays as slow as a clay court.

Djokovic would do better than nadal but he wouldn't be dominant. djokovic would be somewhere between an agassi and an ivan lendl level player. he would do well at AO. us open he would struggle might win a couple. wimbledon he would be lucky to get one title. and french open he would probably not win more than one. even if there was no nadal, there were plenty of clay court specialists in the 90s who could take out djokovic at the french.
 
#76
nadal on the 90s courts with lighter tennis balls, wouldn't win any slam beyond french. even with the current racquets. maybe one aussie open. thats about it. us open was lightning fast in the 90s compared to today. AO which used to be the second slowest slam after the french is now the fastest slam. US Open today plays as slow as a clay court.

Djokovic would do better than nadal but he wouldn't be dominant. djokovic would be somewhere between an agassi and an ivan lendl level player. he would do well at AO. us open he would struggle might win a couple. wimbledon he would be lucky to get one title. and french open he would probably not win more than one. even if there was no nadal, there were plenty of clay court specialists in the 90s who could take out djokovic at the french.
Both Nadal and Joe could find ways to adapt
 
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