As fedfan - Losing against Djoker holding CH. points is much accepting rather than losing Nadal in SF
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Tennis_Hands
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Fed should take the positives from how well he played at that age against both his younger rivals, nearly beating both of them. He is not out of contention yet and that's something to be happy about.
tennis_pro
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Unfortunately Federer doesn't get Berrettini in his Slam semis for cupcake Slams to cheer himself with
Players left to beat after Berrettini:
Fed at Wimbledon - Nishikori, Nadal, Djokovic
Nadal at the USO - Medvedev
I rest my case.
TearTheRoofOff
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In the analogue spectrum of performance, Fed did awesome and deserves every credit. With regards to the binary nature of the end result it is ruthlessly under-representative of the effort.
kevaninho
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who was left after defeating Bagdatis?
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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40-15 tho...
True, but interestingly it seems to me most of Roger's most hurtful losses were against Novak, three Wimbledon finals especially 19 and those two USO semis that Roger seemed to be in position to win but didn't.
BeatlesFan
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Got any Fed news that’s more recent than 14 years ago?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Which ones are weaker than Nadal's 2017/2019 USO draws?2004- 2009 Fed knows plenty about cupcake draws and weak competition
tennis_pro
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That's the Federer-Djokovic h2h if you switched their ages, yeah.
junior74
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Medvedev is the best player in the world, no?
tennis_pro
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Nobody, Fed had his hands full against Nadal's daddy earlier, though.
ForumMember
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i love to talk about the times when Fedboy made a killing on the tour. Bagdatis is an in-alienable part of that.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Which is up there with "Led the race after Miami", "Got to the Wimbledon finish line first" and "Had most match wins after seven months" as his finest 2019 achievements.
This actually ranks the highest as it goes in the moral and imaginary categories.
Congratulations to Federer again.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
20 Slams, tho.Which is up there with "Led the race after Miami", "Got to the Wimbledon finish line first" and "Had most match wins after seven months" as his finest 2019 achievements.
This actually ranks the highest as it goes in the moral and imaginary categories.
Congratulations to Federer again.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
mehh
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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vanioMan
Legend
A record going down the drain soon.
Nadal's eyebrows are living a life on their own.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I think it is only fair and reasonable to get 20 and stay there. No need to get more than that. 20 is a good round number. Let's all agree this would be for the best, yes?A record going down the drain soon.
kevaninho
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Lleytonstation
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Was Rafa not playing?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Most = more than 50%. 12 Slams in 2005-2007. Please show me the 7+ pathetic draws for Federer in 2005-2007. Those that beat Berrettini or Youzhny in a Slam SF.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Fine by me. But I also like odd numbers so let's see that third guy get to 21.I think it is only fair and reasonable to get 20 and stay there. No need to get more than that. 20 is a good round number. Let's all agree this would be for the best, yes?
Fedforever
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He said in an interview somewhere that that semi-final victory was very important to him. I suspect people underrate the boost to his ego of turning the tables on the Rafa rivalry in the last few years. We often seem incapable of understanding the players might have a different perspective to a fan.
And who knows, if Rafa doesn't win another slam and Djoko stops at 19 or less that victory could look very important indeed.
And who knows, if Rafa doesn't win another slam and Djoko stops at 19 or less that victory could look very important indeed.
SaintPetros
Hall of Fame
Anymore cupcake slams and Fed will get diabetes.
SaintPetros
Hall of Fame
He got Gonzales next year, with his pigeon Roddick en route.
TennisHockey
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Who did Fed have to beat to win his last slam?
A true GOAT seizes a golden opportunity, trusting that he is the superior player and taking it home with clutch execution. It is not always true that it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.
Federer is, or was, widely considered the greatest player in history, with one of the most accurate and effective serves with the greatest disguise in history. He had just served two consecutive perfect aces. Was he going to execute in the clutch, or not execute in the clutch?
We're just making excuses for our disillusionment at this point.
Djokovic really drove the sentiment home with that nonchalant celebration. I was like, "Wait, didn't he just win Wimbledon? Why is he acting like they are just switching sides for a changeover?" He truly believed he was the alpha in the relationship at that point and probably even before it. Federer would not have acted the same had he won. He probably would have acted the way he won Wimbledon 2006 at least.
Federer is, or was, widely considered the greatest player in history, with one of the most accurate and effective serves with the greatest disguise in history. He had just served two consecutive perfect aces. Was he going to execute in the clutch, or not execute in the clutch?
We're just making excuses for our disillusionment at this point.
Djokovic really drove the sentiment home with that nonchalant celebration. I was like, "Wait, didn't he just win Wimbledon? Why is he acting like they are just switching sides for a changeover?" He truly believed he was the alpha in the relationship at that point and probably even before it. Federer would not have acted the same had he won. He probably would have acted the way he won Wimbledon 2006 at least.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
So Fed up reading about Fed fans emotions and despair because of this and that.
SaintPetros
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kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Was Rafa a challenge to Federer in any slam outwith clay till 2007? I think not.
Lleytonstation
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Ah, the Rafa was not good enough theory as a multi slam winner...
AceSalvo
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Nadal won Wimbledon the year Fed had mono. That’s an equally good theory as well.
And it’s backed up by the fact that Nadal lost to Fed at Wimb even when he had 18 slams.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Multi slam winner on clay, must be a threat on grass or HC , using your logic.
Even though he hadn't been past a QF in a HC slam till 2008.
But yeah, he was a threat to Federer in 07
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Look, I get what you are saying, but I don't think it's fair to say "well he was not good enough on this or that surface yet." He either was a top player (number 2 in 2005), or not. Same with Fed now, he is old, but he is either good enough or not.Multi slam winner on clay, must be a threat on grass or HC , using your logic.
Even though he hadn't been past a QF in a HC slam till 2008.
But yeah, he was a threat to Federer in 07
I hear Rafa fans always say "age is not an excuse" so it goes both ways.
Eren
Professional
What's your point anyway? Who on grass would have posed a challenge to Freddy in his prime years? Obviously Nadal did mostly because of his FH being able to break Fred's BH, but who else would? At 19 the guy beat Sampras at an age where people on this forum considered Federer to be better than ever.
So if the King of Swing couldn't beat him who would? Federer on grass in his prime is good enough to beat anyone, demonstrated by the fact that he has beaten multiple Wimbledon champions like Nadal, Murray, Djokovic and Sampras (the latter two were defending champions when Federer beat them).
Who challenged Nadal on clay for that matter? Definitely not Federer or Djokovic since they barely have one title.
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kevaninho
Hall of Fame
It shows more on them that Nadal actually has more grass slam titles than they 2 have on clay.
Yet Nadal was supposed to be the one trick pony.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
No, but Nadals career path isn't like most players. He was a teenage phenom, particularly on the dirt. He was pretty much a clay specialist, like loads before him.
Yes, he went on to do great things on grass and then HCs, but he certainly wasn't even in the discussion regards to being a HC threat to Federer until the 2009 AO.
Those 2 early HC wins in their rivalry ( Miami and Dubai ) for Nadal mean nothing in this regards. Fed didn't exactly go all out in every tournament, outwith slams, which is generally known.
Eren
Professional
But what was your point with Fred's competition on grass. If Fred would have had a 0-12 record on grass instead of a 7-5 record, I could understand (most losses from 32.9 years of age - present). For comparison, Djokovic has a 5-5 record if I am not mistaken against Nadal, Murray, Federer (never met Sampras obviously).
I don't see any inability of 20s-31 year old Federer being able to beat good grass courters.
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