As per Media, Djokovic tied with Court for Most Majors in Tennis
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You are serious? So only current players count? Are you saying that in 30 years time, the current players won’t count?
jmacdaununder2
Legend
No one's moved anything - the (G)CYGS is still in the same place.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
After 35-40 years, yes current players won't count much.
Today majority of the public worldwide don't care for Lendl/Mcenroe/Borg/Connors, so 35-40 years from now Big 3 will not matter. Kids born in 2030s/2040s won't care for Big 3.
And why does the young generation’s opinion count more than anyone else’s? I respect all of the great players of history.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Because young generation is more in number, there are more people under 40 than those above 40, so the views of those under 40 will count more today.... sameway today's people in their 30s will be old 30 years from now, so the narrative will be set by the young crowd at that time. Thats how it is and that is fair if you think about it. Court, Laver all had their times, you cannot have young crowd drooling over the past, plus not to mention the players in the past played limited competition compared to the current ATGs who are winning in this era of cutthroat competition.
TRUE! Still, I do not think one should compare men's wins with the women's wins. I would count the men's pro majors but take away their amateur slams. Therefore, Rosewall would have 19 majors, Laver-13, Gonzalez-13.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Quite true.
Yes, that's what he's saying, which is a willfully biased misunderstanding of history and how it all builds any body or system, otherwise it is meaningless. Little does he realize that in less time than 30 years, some "tennis fans" obsessed with current players will attempt to celebrate said players at the expense of all others in history, thus their current favorites will be dismissed as irrelevant. Thankfully, official recording and acknowledgements of the sport's history do not live in the moment.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Women demanded their own league because they’re not good enough to play against men in the ATP, why would we consider their “records” any more than we would consider Jr. records?
Firstly, I wish the media and tennis fans would stop comparing the men's and women's records. They are completely separate categories. It would be like comparing men's singles with men's doubles - they are just not the same.
Secondly, Margaret Court's record is one that I feel needs a little context. It's heavily padded with 11 Australian titles - many of which were only a played with a 32 player draw or 64 player draw with byes and with barely any foreign players involved. Wimbledon was always the strongest and most prestigious major during Court's era and it was also her weakest - she won it only 3 times. In comparison, her main rival Billie Jean King won it 6 times. She is still one of the greatest female tennis players ever, but it would be hard to call her the "GOAT".
Secondly, Margaret Court's record is one that I feel needs a little context. It's heavily padded with 11 Australian titles - many of which were only a played with a 32 player draw or 64 player draw with byes and with barely any foreign players involved. Wimbledon was always the strongest and most prestigious major during Court's era and it was also her weakest - she won it only 3 times. In comparison, her main rival Billie Jean King won it 6 times. She is still one of the greatest female tennis players ever, but it would be hard to call her the "GOAT".
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
Lol, what the heck?
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
My problem with this is that everyone only seems to want to "contextualize" Court's resume, largely to benefit Serena at this point.
Yet nobody comes out and says "look, Chris Evert has 18 Majors to Serena's 23, but she basically didn't play the AO for a decade because many players didn't and she also missed 2-3 guaranteed RG titles because of her participation in WTT".
And we can do that ad nauseum. Graf retired just after age 30 coming off an RG title and a W runner up in order to have a family, whereas Serena had 13 Majors at the same age.
Court missed 3 years of play and charitably another 2-4+ Majors at least because she got married and had three children during her career.
I don't mind contextualizing history, but you have to be even-handed about it. And by the way, Margaret Court was 4-1 in her 5 Major finals against Billie Jean King.
Even though she did dominate BJK in head to head, it is still curious as to why Court only won half as many Wimbledon titles. The surface really should've favoured her style of play.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
I actually kind of agree with this sentiment. You can't both demand the benefit of being on a segregated tour (i.e., women only) but then also demand to be treated equally when it suits you.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Novak's 24 > Court's 24.
Interesting though that in the two Wimbledon finals they played, Court won both of them. Court, like Rosewall, had serious allergy problems at Wimbledon. In that era allergy medicine was not nearly as good as it is today. I recently read that Rosewall had serious skin rash problems throughout his career, which often caused serious irritation.
zagor
Bionic Poster
If you're speaking Laver then that's fine, he'll always be in the GOAT conversation because of CYGS. However Novak's records shouldn't be compared to women's tennis records, they're two separate tours.
It's nonsense.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Don't worry ...his ego is doing very well....he is above Federer and Nadal....works for him
Which is ALL that matters to Novak, as I seriously doubt that Novak ever thought of beating any women's records.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
She also leads her 22-10 in overall H2H. Only a complete ignoramus or someone with an agenda would compare Court to BJK. This is like comparing Pete to Andre.
TRUE!
mtommer
Hall of Fame
I don't think it's fans. A very small minority, perhaps. But the media...? Considering they love to virtue signal, do you really expect otherwise?
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
A major is a major.
Djokovic is tied with Court, but she's one of the GOAT players for winning the Grand Slam, something Djokovic, Federer, Nadal--or anyone else in this century--lacked the ability to match.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
N24>(C24-CYGS)?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I'm all for equal remuneration, more or less, for women. It is nevertheless not the same competition. Djokovic and Court comparisons are silly as were those "Battle of the Sexes" matches.
jimmy0slams
Semi-Pro
Sure Jimmy O Flaherty from Cork won 29 World Tiddly Winks championships ... I don't want to hear anything about GOAT until he matches Jimmy!!
But being serious it really is pathetic how they change the definition of things to gaslight us ...
Hey, only in tennis do current fans ignore the greats of the past.
Anyone evaluating the greatest baseball players always bring in names like Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Walter Johnson.
The greatest golfers always include Jack Nicklaus, Ben Hogan.
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