Ashaway Crossfire II

[mahut21]

Hey Guys,
Just wondering if the synthetic gut in the Ashaway Crossfire II is better or similar than Gosen Og Sheep Micro.
Thanks

 

[mahut21]

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[ritches]

Would anyone have information on this? Or if we can purchase the same synthetic gut, that comes with Ashaway Crossfire II, separately?

 

[esgee48]

I think it is Ashaway Liberty SG tho the package does not say so. I am probably wrong but I do not think Ashaway would use another brands SG if they already offer SG.

 

[Shroud]

Would anyone have information on this? Or if we can purchase the same synthetic gut, that comes with Ashaway Crossfire II, separately?

Yeah. They have both nylon and sg options. Reels too I think

 

[Shroud]

Would anyone have information on this? Or if we can purchase the same synthetic gut, that comes with Ashaway Crossfire II, separately?

so I was wrong about the reels it seems but all the descriptions on their website says synthetic gut. EDIT. there are reels just not on TW. Maybe you can ask them or check the usual suspects.

Here is their sg

Ashaway Synthetic Gut 16/1.30 String | Tennis Warehouse

www.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[travlerajm]

so I was wrong about the reels it seems but all the descriptions on their website says synthetic gut. EDIT. there are reels just not on TW. Maybe you can ask them or check the usual suspects.

Here is their sg

Ashaway Synthetic Gut 16/1.30 String | Tennis Warehouse

www.tennis-warehouse.com

You weren’t wrong. They do have both syn gut and nylon.

That’s because syn gut is just another name for nylon.

 

[Shroud]

You weren’t wrong. They do have both syn gut and nylon.

That’s because syn gut is just another name for nylon.

right but what is the difference? all the crossfire packets say syngut. The syngut is $2 more per pack it seems

 

[travlerajm]

right but what is the difference? all the crossfire packets say syngut. The syngut is $2 more per pack it seems

That’s because the marketing term “synthetic gut” commands a $2 premium over the more generalized boring term “nylon.” No actual physical difference. Same thing. And the word “polyamide” would command a lower price than both despite describing the material better.

 

[Shroud]

That’s because the marketing term “synthetic gut” commands a $2 premium over the more generalized boring term “nylon.” No actual physical difference. Same thing. And the word “polyamide” would command a lower price than both despite describing the material better.

So liberty nylon and syngut are the same?

 

[travlerajm]

So liberty nylon and syngut are the same?

Yes

 

[Shroud]

Yes

So they package the same string, call it syngut and charge $2 more?

 

[travlerajm]

So they package the same string, call it syngut and charge $2 more?

Liberty is their marketing name for a string that is nylon solid core surrounded with a ring of smaller nylon filaments. Strings made from nylon with this construction are generally known as synthetic gut. They may have multiple gens of packaging.

Or maybe it’s like rental cars when the same company rents out cars as Budget or as Avis charging $3 more per day, but it’s the same company and same cars, trying to corner market by offering multiple price points?

 

[Shroud]

Liberty is their marketing name for a string that is nylon solid core surrounded with a ring of smaller nylon filaments. Strings made from nylon with this construction are generally known as synthetic gut. They may have multiple gens of packaging.

Or maybe it’s like rental cars when the same company rents out cars as Budget or as Avis charging $3 more per day, but it’s the same company and same cars, trying to corner market by offering multiple price points?

They have syngut 16 and nylon 16. $2 more for the syngut. Its not there now but TW used to sell packs of both

Ashaway Line and Twine Manufacturing Company - Tennis Strings

 

[thenewbig3]

Tournament Nylon (Liberty)
Thinner core, slightly thicker and fewer outer strands for same gauge

Synthetic gut
Thicker core, slighty thinner and more outside stands for same gauge - I think better feel in my experience

In some rackets TN can SG can play very similar - Ashaway is unique as they have same gauge in both "variations"

 

[Shroud]

Tournament Nylon (Liberty)
Thinner core, slightly thicker and fewer outer strands for same gauge

Synthetic gut
Thicker core, slighty thinner and more outside stands for same gauge - I think better feel in my experience

In some rackets TN can SG can play very similar - Ashaway is unique as they have same gauge in both "variations"

Thanks. That clears it up!

 

[travlerajm]

Thanks. That clears it up!

In other words it’s the rental car thing.

 

[Shroud]

In other words it’s the rental car thing.

But those are 2 dif companies renting cars. This is the same company renting the same car at different prices

 

[esgee48]

If there is a shortage of rentals at location B and a surplus at location A, there will be pricing incentives if you rent a vehicle going from A to B. You save the company transportation costs of moving vehicles from A to B. Econ 1.

 

[travlerajm]

But those are 2 dif companies renting cars. This is the same company renting the same car at different prices

You mean you didn’t know that Avis and Budget are the same company? Or that Alamo and National annd Enterprise are the same company?

 

[Shroud]

You mean you didn’t know that Avis and Budget are the same company? Or that Alamo and National annd Enterprise are the same company?

Nah. I haven’t been in the 100k club for 20 years. But the analogy doesnt track. Are you saying Ashaway has another business name they sell strings under? Other string companies they own?

And these aren’t the same cars.

 

[travlerajm]

Nah. I haven’t been in the 100k club for 20 years. But the analogy doesnt track. Are you saying Ashaway has another business name they sell strings under? Other string companies they own?

And these aren’t the same cars.

I’m saying that Ashaway is selling two products that any other company could call either tournament nylon or synthetic gut. They are slight varients of same stuff, apparently.

 

[Shroud]

I’m saying that Ashaway is selling two products that any other company could call either tournament nylon or synthetic gut. They are slight varients of same stuff, apparently.

Prince and Forten offer both nylon and syngut options.

 

[travlerajm]

Prince and Forten offer both nylon and syngut options.

It’s like when you have your reservation with Alamo. You show up at the Alamo rental counter but nobody is there. But 20 feet away there’s a nice smiley gal with eyelash extensions and a too-tight blouse sitting in a stool at the National counter. She hollers “I’ll help you over here.”

 

[ritches]

Thank you all for your input. I tried messaging Ashaway through their instagram account (couldn't find an email address to contact them) and still haven't heard from them. Ill try other contacts and if I find out the answer Ill post here. Thank you all for getting back to me. Much appreciated.

 

[ritches]

So I found some form on their website and filled it out asking my question to the Ashaway team and their president, Julian, replied back saying its the Synthetic Gut 16 string that comes packaged with the Kevlar string in the Ashaway Crossfire II set. Thanks everyone for your input once again.

 

[Shroud]

So I found some form on their website and filled it out asking my question to the Ashaway team and their president, Julian, replied back saying its the Synthetic Gut 16 string that comes packaged with the Kevlar string in the Ashaway Crossfire II set. Thanks everyone for your input once again.

But did you ask him which car rental company he uses??