Ashes 2015: Australia v England

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Nathaniel_Near

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Does anybody care?

I will be supporting England. Good luck to both teams, please don't thump us 5-0. Thanks.

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Should have put England v Australia as the tour is in the UK this time. Apologies.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33429703

Ashes 2015: England-Australia series set to begin in Cardiff
By Sam SheringhamBBC Sport in Cardiff
The Ashes, first Test
Venue:
Cardiff Dates: 8-12 July

Coverage: Ball-by-ball Test Match Special commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra, Radio 4 LW, online, tablets, mobiles and BBC Sport app. Live text commentary on the BBC Sport website.

England captain Alastair Cook has challenged his players to reignite the cricketing fervour of 2005 when the Ashes get under way in Cardiff on Wednesday.

Cricket has struggled to consistently captivate the nation since England won back the urn in a thrilling 2-1 series victory over Australia 10 years ago.

But Cook believes England have the players to excite the public as they attempt to avenge a 5-0 defeat down under in 2013-14.

"We've got an opportunity," said Cook. "That's the exciting thing. This is the biggest series you want to play in as a player. With Wimbledon going on, it's a great summer of sport and we want to be part of that."

Australia captain Michael Clarke, the only member of the current Australia squad who played in the 2005 series, would happily see those entertainment levels matched, albeit with a different result.

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"I'd love to see similar cricket, see the people of England get right behind the series, and the people back in Australia to be glued to their television sets," he said. "Any competitive series like that is great for the game."

New coach, new players, new style of captain?
For the first time in Ashes history, England will be coached by an Australian as Trevor Bayliss takes full charge.

He inherits a team that have undergone a dramatic makeover since a dismal World Cup campaign and a disappointing drawn series in the West Indies.

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With attacking players such as Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler and Joe Root to the fore, England drew a fast-scoring Test series with New Zealand, before getting the better of the tourists in a one-day contest that set a new record for runs in a five-day series.

Cook, who has been labelled a conservative captain by players-turned-pundits such as Shane Warne, admitted that the nature of the players at his disposal may prompt him to be more aggressive.

"As the leader of a group you do have to change your style of leadership to the players you've got in the changing room and what gets the best out of them," he said.

"There's a lot always written about my captaincy. I think at certain times I have to be able to get on that front foot as well as a captain. When I first started we had a really methodical team, people who liked really banging out areas time and time again and batters who were relentlessly grinding down the opposition.

"The guys we have now are a little bit more free-spirited than that. It's about being able to let them feel comfortable playing their way."

The war of words
Cook and Clarke are under pressure from the International Cricket Council to crack down on their players' sledging after the past two series featured several verbal altercations.

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Clarke said he plans to set a better example than he did during the 2013-14 series, when he told England's James Anderson to "get ready for a broken arm" when facing Mitchell Johnson.

"There is a line, and I've made it very clear that in the last series that if somebody overstepped that mark it was me, and as captain of this team I need to be more disciplined," he said.

"For me you don't have say a word to show your intent and play a good brand of cricket. It's not what you say it's what you do and that will be my focus leading into tomorrow [Wednesday]."

Cook added: "People want to see really competitive cricket, both sides giving their all for their country.

"It show how much it means to you. I do believe there is that line in the sand somewhere that everyone knows you can't cross and I hope we can play to that."

Key men - Stokes v Johnson
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Ben Stokes made his Test debut during the last Ashes series in Australia

While neither captain was prepared to reveal their line-up, Australia captain Clarke said left-arm paceman Johnson is "as ready as ever" as he looks to recapture the form that saw him take 37 wickets in the 2013-14 series.

As for England's potential match-winner, Cook tipped Ben Stokes to swing the balance England's way.

"He has come into his own and I think he's going to have a fantastic summer," Cook said of the Durham all-rounder.

"He's had a really interesting career, but I think over the last six months he's really matured as a cricketer. Being left out of the World Cup squad really hurt him. He would have said himself he wasn't quite performing as he should have done to earn selection, but we all know how talented he is.

"I like the way he has gone about his business this summer. He trains really hard and understands international cricket better than when he first started."

The venue - memories of Jimmy and Monty
Australia will begin their attempt to win an Ashes series in England for the first time since 2001 at Cardiff's Swalec Stadium, where all 15,000 seats have sold out for the first four days.

The ground also hosted the first Ashes Test in 2009, when England's final pair of James Anderson and Monty Panesar famously batted out 69 balls to salvage a crucial draw and lay the platform for the home side's 2-1 victory.

"It was a tense affair, with Jimmy and Monty hanging in there, but what we did have on last day was fantastic support," said Cook. "The Welsh people really got behind the England team and almost every block Monty pulled off was as loud as when Cardiff or Swansea score a goal. It's a fantastic environment to play in."
 
I think the last couple of series have hurt it badly & every series since the 2009 one for several reasons.

1. It has gone from sledging to outright abuse from certain players-Anderson, Johnson, Warner being the worst culprits & is horrible to watch.
2. Two Ashes series being so close to each other was stupid.
3. Both series one side was clearly dominant-the last one was an embarrassment as England were terrible & Australia were not much better here the one before.
4. The 2009 & 2010/2011 ones were the post McGrath/Warne/Hayden/Langer era & Australia were nowhere near the team they were & nor were England anywhere near the 2005 team. It had its moments but struggled to live up to that 2005 series, or the ones with the best Aussie team ever from the late 1990's-2005.

It just doesn't seem as special these days-for Australia now the big series is against South Africa & I think these sides look pretty average on paper.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
This series has come at just the right time for Australia. They'll probably start looking to rebuild a bit after this one (Rogers retiring, Haddin 37, Voges almost 36, Clarke and Johnson both 36 next series). This team knows it's probably their last crack at things together and they'll get it done imo.

For England it's a year too soon, new director only been in place for a few months, the coach has only been here for 2 weeks, young side still learning, Root will take over as captain at the end of this series whatever happens etc..
 

oztennisfan

Professional
I think the last couple of series have hurt it badly & every series since the 2009 one for several reasons.

1. It has gone from sledging to outright abuse from certain players-Anderson, Johnson, Warner being the worst culprits & is horrible to watch.
2. Two Ashes series being so close to each other was stupid.
3. Both series one side was clearly dominant-the last one was an embarrassment as England were terrible & Australia were not much better here the one before.
4. The 2009 & 2010/2011 ones were the post McGrath/Warne/Hayden/Langer era & Australia were nowhere near the team they were & nor were England anywhere near the 2005 team. It had its moments but struggled to live up to that 2005 series, or the ones with the best Aussie team ever from the late 1990's-2005.

It just doesn't seem as special these days-for Australia now the big series is against South Africa & I think these sides look pretty average on paper.
most of those points are way off the mark.
the reason the last two series was so close togeher was because of the olympics in london
the ashes is by far the biggest, most important prize in australian cricket, always has been, always will be.
the sledging was nothing, a few words, big deal, nothing in it.
05 series was freakish, a series like that may never happen again.
 
most of those points are way off the mark.
the reason the last two series was so close togeher was because of the olympics in london
the ashes is by far the biggest, most important prize in australian cricket, always has been, always will be.
the sledging was nothing, a few words, big deal, nothing in it.
05 series was freakish, a series like that may never happen again.

How do you work that one out? The Olympics were in 2012 a year before the Ashes were due to be played in the summer of 2013, the reason for the moving forward of the Australia edition was because it was due to be played in 2014/2015 as is the norm for Ashes series but was moved due to the World Cup which made little sense anyway.

I am sure it is still is from a history standpoint-but the real meat is Aus vs SAF.

I am sure to many Australians it is nothing-but it is horrible to watch as a fan & I can only wonder what a casual fan would think watching it. Nothing wrong with good humourous sledges here & there-but in your face f'ing & blinding after pretty much every ball is well over the top. Some of the England players are just as bad, it isn't necessary & is just a horrible advert for the game.

Indeed-but looking at these two teams it just doesn't inspire-the 2013 series here was pretty boring, the last series only one team showed up & it just doesn't feel that special any longer.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Not a bad first innings from England, with a high calibre quick-fire century from Root and an energetic contribution from Moeen. England are having a go at the Australian opening batsmen as we speak. So far, the bowling has been disciplined and of a fuller length, allowing for the late swinging ball. The pitch is carrying through more consistently now, which some have found surprising. Yesterday, it was advisable to really hit the seam to get the ball to carry through and to give your keeper and slips a real chance. Day 2 = less temperamental and more dependable behaviour off the wicket.

England 1st
430 all out (102.1)

Australia 1st
26-0 (7.0)

Cheers.
 
England seem to think they are playing a T20 match-turning a great position into a very good one. Australia have 2 days to chase 412 runs, they should have had a day & a half to chase 550 odd.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
England seem to think they are playing a T20 match-turning a great position into a very good one. Australia have 2 days to chase 412 runs, they should have had a day & a half to chase 550 odd.

That's the way cricket is going these days, we learnt so much from the New Zealand series. Australia have an incredible bowling attack, scoring 150 off 50 overs when they're capable of picking up 3-4 wickets in half an hour isn't going to get it done. Taking the game to them is our only real option.

Still, all 3 results are possible. Lots of rain is forecast for Sunday in Cardiff.
 
That's the way cricket is going these days, we learnt so much from the New Zealand series. Australia have an incredible bowling attack, scoring 150 off 50 overs when they're capable of picking up 3-4 wickets in half an hour isn't going to get it done. Taking the game to them is our only real option.

Still, all 3 results are possible. Lots of rain is forecast for Sunday in Cardiff.

It isn't new-under Mark Taylor & then Steve Waugh Australia were scoring at 4 plus an over. However they weren't leaving teams two days to score 400, a lot of the batting shots from England have been horrendous-Buttler's two dismissals were appalling. The game hasn't changed that much-you still need to keep wickets in hand, they should be batting well into day four & declaring. Teams can chase 400 plus these days-in 2001 England chased over 300 on the last day to win against McGrath, Warne, Lee & Gillespie & had time to spare. Warner, Rogers, Clarke & Smith with help from the others could easily chase this target down in two days.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Slew of wickets yo, England well on their way to winning the first test match. Excellent, excellent.

"Australia in all sorts!" - Graeme Swann

4 for 9 in the last 35 balls for Australia.

That arrogant cheeky son of a gun Broady is on fyre. Now Wood is on on the action.
 

Kalin

Legend
The Aussies were undone bowling-wise with the sudden retirement of Harris, injury of Starc and Mitch Johnson apparently not finding any bounce and, well... being Mitch Johnson.

But there's no excuse for their putrid batting in two consecutive innings. Doesn't sound like England are bowling like wizards either.
 
The Aussies were undone bowling-wise with the sudden retirement of Harris, injury of Starc and Mitch Johnson apparently not finding any bounce and, well... being Mitch Johnson.

But there's no excuse for their putrid batting in two consecutive innings. Doesn't sound like England are bowling like wizards either.

Yep-could you imagine the 2001 or 2005 sides folding against this England attack?
 

Kalin

Legend
And, just to tick us off, Johnson and Starc have put up probably the best batting partnership of the day... which, admittedly, is not saying much.
 
(from the other side of the pond):

Good luck to both teams!




"Cricket"

Some people say that life is a game, well if this is so
I'd like to know the rules on which this game of life is based.
I know of no game more fitting than the age old game of cricket
It has honour, it has character and it's British.
Now God laid down the rules of life when he wrote those Ten Commandments
And to cricket those ten same rules shall apply.
Show compassion and self-righteousness and be honest above all
And come to God's call with bat and ball.

Now the Devil has a player and he's called the Demon Bowler,
He's shrewd, he's rude and he's wicked.
He is sent by Sinful Satan and he's out to take your wicket
And you know that that's not cricket.
He'll baffle you with googlies with leg breaks and offspin
But keep a level head and don't let that demon in.
So keep a straight bat at all times, let the Bible be your guide
And you'll get by, yes you'll get by.

All through your life he'll try to bowl you out
Beware the Demon bowler.
He's crafty and deceitful and he'll try to L.B.W.,
And bowl a maiden over.
The Devil takes the weak in spirit and so we must always be courageous
And remember that God is on your side.
So keep old Satan in your sights and play the straight and narrow line
And you'll get by, yes you'll get by.
 
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Kalin

Legend
And now Mitch Johnson scores 17 runs in one over and is still not-out on 70. Maybe he should open the batting and one of Rogers or Warner can open the attack with some fast bowling. Not sure it won't work better like that...
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
It isn't new-under Mark Taylor & then Steve Waugh Australia were scoring at 4 plus an over. However they weren't leaving teams two days to score 400, a lot of the batting shots from England have been horrendous-Buttler's two dismissals were appalling. The game hasn't changed that much-you still need to keep wickets in hand, they should be batting well into day four & declaring. Teams can chase 400 plus these days-in 2001 England chased over 300 on the last day to win against McGrath, Warne, Lee & Gillespie & had time to spare. Warner, Rogers, Clarke & Smith with help from the others could easily chase this target down in two days.

Ballance was the only one who tried to occupy the crease and he got a ball that bounced sharply off a length and he was back in the hut. Root had one that kept lower, Stokes dragged on. So yeah, inconsistent bounce and a tell tale sign of a slower wicket with the drag on. Bayliss told them to go and get a 400 lead (always enough on that pitch) as quickly as possible, he knows what he's doing and it's how our younger players do it anyway. To grind it out wouldn't of been their natural game, would of let the Aussie's get into a rhythm, create pressure, a pitch becoming unpredictable etc.. The result speaks for itself.

The game has changed more than you think, against New Zealand it was all out attack from both sides, neither gave an inch. Sure, it will lose us games.. we'll also win alot more than before.
 

oztennisfan

Professional
Ballance was the only one who tried to occupy the crease and he got a ball that bounced sharply off a length and he was back in the hut. Root had one that kept lower, Stokes dragged on. So yeah, inconsistent bounce and a tell tale sign of a slower wicket with the drag on. Bayliss told them to go and get a 400 lead (always enough on that pitch) as quickly as possible, he knows what he's doing and it's how our younger players do it anyway. To grind it out wouldn't of been their natural game, would of let the Aussie's get into a rhythm, create pressure, a pitch becoming unpredictable etc.. The result speaks for itself.

The game has changed more than you think, against New Zealand it was all out attack from both sides, neither gave an inch. Sure, it will lose us games.. we'll also win alot more than before.
the poms have a much more aggressive team now than you have had in the past, with stokes at 6, ali at 8 and with wood who is also an aggressive bowler, its what you need to beat the aussies. we played poor cricket but had haddin not dropped root on 0 on the first day i think this match would have played out very differently. have to drop watson for marsh and id also look at moving haddin on, starc isnt really a test bowler yet, good at one day cricket but he doesnt have the consitency at test level. theres no worries with johnson, when he makes runs he bowls well, he made runs.....
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
the poms have a much more aggressive team now than you have had in the past, with stokes at 6, ali at 8 and with wood who is also an aggressive bowler, its what you need to beat the aussies. we played poor cricket but had haddin not dropped root on 0 on the first day i think this match would have played out very differently. have to drop watson for marsh and id also look at moving haddin on, starc isnt really a test bowler yet, good at one day cricket but he doesnt have the consitency at test level. theres no worries with johnson, when he makes runs he bowls well, he made runs.....

Yeah, being passive and waiting to see what happens seems to get you in more trouble than taking the game to the opposition these days.

With Australia i'm seeing alot of similarities to what happened to us in the last series. We were the favourites for most people going into it, but we were old and had a few players who should really of moved on a year before (Trott wasn't there mentally, Swann's elbow was finished the summer before, Prior's achilles was gone). The age started to show, Australia came at us hard and the wheels totally came off.

Too early to say if Australia are experiencing that, but it'll be interesting to see how things develop.
 

Midaso240

Legend
Wow,great win for England,missed most of that. They are having a really good summer so far. I do expect Australia to come back strong though
 

Kalin

Legend
How is the next pitch expected to play, a bit faster and bouncier? Or will they murder it again to frustrate the Mitch?
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
How is the next pitch expected to play, a bit faster and bouncier? Or will they murder it again to frustrate the Mitch?

Never really understood where the whole doctoring pitches thing comes from. The SWALEC is always slow and turns a bit later, just the result of it's location and environment. The pitch was what it's always been there.

Kind of like saying the Aussie's are pulling tricks to get the WACA fast and bouncy.

As for Lords, it is a little bit quicker, swings a bit early but is generally good for batting. Stokes hit his 85 ball century there a few months back. Not sure it's going to matter much for Johnson, last time he played there he could barely keep the ball on the strip ;) he was spraying it everywhere! That pesky slope.
 

Kalin

Legend
I'm admittedly no expert on pitches and I did read that the pitch in Wales was always slow. But there was a talk about them removing some grass at the last moment which basically killed all bounce. Haddin apparently had to step forward after the first few balls since they weren't reaching him before bouncing again.

And yes, I seem to recall Johnson having some trouble with the general direction of his bowling last time at Lords :) There were rumours of his slips asking for helmets :p
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
I'm admittedly no expert on pitches and I did read that the pitch in Wales was always slow. But there was a talk about them removing some grass at the last moment which basically killed all bounce. Haddin apparently had to step forward after the first few balls since they weren't reaching him before bouncing again.

And yes, I seem to recall Johnson having some trouble with the general direction of his bowling last time at Lords :) There were rumours of his slips asking for helmets :p

Yeah the first few overs at Cardiff had me really worried, a few of them rolled through to the keeper! After that it played fine though, just relatively slow. There was uneven bounce and more spin later on, which is to be expected on day 4. As for the grass, doubt that would of helped the pace much. A green pitch with the river near by would of probably produced more swing/seam.. which would of probably suited England more.

Haha, think that Lords performance last time was where the famous song about him originated from. You know the one ;)
 

Peters

Professional
Some of the whinging the last few days about the pitch from Aussies has been hilarious. In the last Ashes series they fully prepared their pitches to maximise Johnson's abilities against the English batsmen, and nullify England's bowling strengths.

You didn't see any English complain about that.
 

Kalin

Legend
No, never heard the song. I'll make sure to look it up now! I can only follow online these days; none of the channels here show anything :(

And, to my knowledge, the Aussie team admitted they were outplayed; the match was definitely England's.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
No, never heard the song. I'll make sure to look it up now! I can only follow online these days; none of the channels here show anything :(

And, to my knowledge, the Aussie team admitted they were outplayed; the match was definitely England's.

A few Australian friends have said something similar, apparently it's on GEM? Never heard of that channel before though. The Channel 9 lot are over here, not sure if it's on there aswell. You can probably get BBC Test Match Special on the radio online, a lot of people actually watch the Sky coverage and have the radio on because the commentary on there is fantastic (Boycott, Tufnell, Simon Hughes, McGrath, Blowers etc..).

Yeah the doctoring of pitches is blown out of proportion imo, Australia are lucky to have 40 degree sunshine baking their pitches regularly. Not surprising there's pace and bounce! We get cool, wet weather consistently and the pitches reflect that.
 
Home teams always prepare pitches to suit their bowling. This one had plenty in it-Johnson was able to bowl some good bouncers on it. Broad relies heavily on bounce as well & did a much better job. Johnson could take 0 wickets in the next test, then take 11 in the third test, 9 in the fourth & 2 in the fifth-he is just inconsistent.
 

oztennisfan

Professional
Never really understood where the whole doctoring pitches thing comes from. The SWALEC is always slow and turns a bit later, just the result of it's location and environment. The pitch was what it's always been there.

Kind of like saying the Aussie's are pulling tricks to get the WACA fast and bouncy.

As for Lords, it is a little bit quicker, swings a bit early but is generally good for batting. Stokes hit his 85 ball century there a few months back. Not sure it's going to matter much for Johnson, last time he played there he could barely keep the ball on the strip ;) he was spraying it everywhere! That pesky slope.
last time we played in england every pitch was a low slow dustbowl, certainly not the green tops you normally get in england.....
there is zero chance of a hard bouncy wicket in england this summer, they are not silly.
our record at lords is phenominal, it is the one test im confident we can turn it around at.
you can set your clocks for the next 100 years as to what pitches you get in australia, perth flat hard and bouncy, brisbane alot of bounce with a greener tinge that moves the ball around added with the humidity to swing it around abit more. sydney a good batting deck that crumbles and turns as the days go on. adelaide a great batting deck that plays a touch slower and gets lower and slower and spins more as the test develops, always produces results late in day 5. melbourne has changed a little since the drop in pitches but that has plenty of bounce but its a touch slower than that of perth or brisbane. that will be how aussie pitches will play for the next 100 years....
 

oztennisfan

Professional
Some of the whinging the last few days about the pitch from Aussies has been hilarious. In the last Ashes series they fully prepared their pitches to maximise Johnson's abilities against the English batsmen, and nullify England's bowling strengths.

You didn't see any English complain about that.
complete rubbish, every aussie pitch has its own character, has always played the same, forever, see my above post....

the home team has every right to prepare the pitch in the way it sees fit, there will be no fast bouncy pitches in england.
 

oztennisfan

Professional
A few Australian friends have said something similar, apparently it's on GEM? Never heard of that channel before though. The Channel 9 lot are over here, not sure if it's on there aswell. You can probably get BBC Test Match Special on the radio online, a lot of people actually watch the Sky coverage and have the radio on because the commentary on there is fantastic (Boycott, Tufnell, Simon Hughes, McGrath, Blowers etc..).

Yeah the doctoring of pitches is blown out of proportion imo, Australia are lucky to have 40 degree sunshine baking their pitches regularly. Not surprising there's pace and bounce! We get cool, wet weather consistently and the pitches reflect that.
gem is channel 9s digital channel.
 

Peters

Professional
complete rubbish, every aussie pitch has its own character, has always played the same, forever, see my above post....
Bollocks, I'm afraid. Sure, Perth can be a naturally bouncy wicket by itself, but the other 4 last time round were not far from it and played very similarly. They'd clearly been prepared 100% for speed and bounce, more than in previous series. Which I have no problem with.

You have to be pretty naive, or Australian and defending them blindly, to think they don't do everything to maximise each pitch as much as possible for their own bowlers at any given time.

There is literally no difference to English wickets suiting Anderson & Co, and nullifying Johnson's pace.
 

Kalin

Legend
Thanks, guys, for the TV suggestions. I'm based in China and not sure if I can get them. I usually follow the Guardian and the Telegraph OBO commentaries and they're very good.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
complete rubbish, every aussie pitch has its own character, has always played the same, forever, see my above post....

the home team has every right to prepare the pitch in the way it sees fit, there will be no fast bouncy pitches in england.

English pitches have character too, they aren't all going to play the same..

Cardiff is always slow and turns a bit, Edgbaston is great for batting, Headingley swings/seams, the Oval gets dusty and spins, Trent Bridge swings and has uneven bounce later on etc..

The pitches Australia thought were "doctored" to negate them last time and so far this time round were the same ones we played India on last year.. Surely if there was some masterplan to get bespoke pitches, slow and low turners against India (with Ali our front line spinner) wouldn't be the way to go... was the same against Sri Lanka last year when they won the series.

Listening to people who prepare the pitch, they put it down to alot of the grounds having new, high tec drainage systems installed the last 5 or so years. Moisture that used to stay in the pitch and create that trademark swing/seam has been replaced by drier pitches that don't do alot and hold up for longer.
 

oztennisfan

Professional
Bollocks, I'm afraid. Sure, Perth can be a naturally bouncy wicket by itself, but the other 4 last time round were not far from it and played very similarly. They'd clearly been prepared 100% for speed and bounce, more than in previous series. Which I have no problem with.

You have to be pretty naive, or Australian and defending them blindly, to think they don't do everything to maximise each pitch as much as possible for their own bowlers at any given time.

There is literally no difference to English wickets suiting Anderson & Co, and nullifying Johnson's pace.
nah you are wrong, we produced fast bouncy pitches every single year. we did when the west indies had 4 fast bowlers and destroyed us, and we didnt produce low turners when we had warnie dominating. our pitches are the same every tour geez even every shield match you know exactly what you will get when you play on an aussie wicket. please dont try and argue.
 
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