At 33 years old: Nadal 19 Slams - Federer 17 Slams

Yes, more, less, who knows or cares. That's irrelevant when we compare between Rafa and Fred.
So is amount of slams played. This stat can only be used once Rafa has more slams. Till then, it is simply irrelevant.

As of now Rafa has less, and if he ties Fed it still means nothing as he could play 30 more and never win another.

Now if Rafa (heading that way), passes Fed, then this stat says something of worth.
 

Lew II

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Wawrinka needed 47 slams to win 3 titles, while Kuerten needed 19.

Kuerten better than Wawrinka? I don't think so. He just peaked earlier.
 
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Wawrinka needed 47 slams to win 3 titles, while Kuerten needed 19.

Kuerten better than Wawrinka? I don't think so. He just peaked earlier.
Kuerten IS better than Wawrinka. YE #1, YEC, etc. Wawrinka also peaked during a weak era so don't use competition as an excuse.

But then again you overrate 2014-2020 to the biggest extreme. "Nadal is at his peak cuz the stats say so". "Federer, at 38, is at his peak because it isn't old and he said so".
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Kuerten IS better than Wawrinka. YE #1, YEC, etc. Wawrinka also peaked during a weak era so don't use competition as an excuse.
Beat Djokovic and Nadal at AO2014.
Beat Federer and Djokovic at RG2015.
Beat Djokovic at USO2016 in the final.

Basically Stan beat the 3 greatest players in the history of the sport to win his Grand Slams. You need to take a step and reanalyze.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Kuerten IS better than Wawrinka. YE #1, YEC, etc. Wawrinka also peaked during a weak era so don't use competition as an excuse.
Strongest era ever, according to Electric Light Orchestra numbers :)

But he beat #1 in all three final wins. That's really not shabby.
 
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Beat Djokovic and Nadal at AO2014.
Beat Federer and Djokovic at RG2015.
Beat Djokovic at USO2016 in the final.

Basically Stan beat the 3 greatest players in the history of the sport to win his Grand Slams. You need to take a step and reanalyze.
In an era where Murray got to No. 1 and he never made it above No. 3 in the world.. don't make me vomit.

*injured Nadal
*35 year old Federer on clay

Only important victory was over Djokovic and even then he has been known to gift slams.
 
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Strongest era ever, according to Electric Light Orchestra numbers :)

But he beat #1 in all three final wins. That's really not shabby.
Based on Novak's stats lol... love the double standards re: Novak fans.
 

Mike Sams

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In an era where Murray got to No. 1 and he never made it above No. 3 in the world.. don't make me vomit.

*injured Nadal
*35 year old Federer on clay

Only important victory was over Djokovic and even then he has been known to gift slams.
LOL! Nadal was getting eaten alive on that court that day before the injury happened.
Federer got beat.
End of story. Go vomit elsewhere.
 
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LOL! Nadal was getting eaten alive on that court that day before the injury happened.
Federer got beat.
End of story. Go vomit elsewhere.
Lots of players have beaten Nadal on HC.

Still was one of the rare times he was actually injured.

Federer hadn't made it past the QF at RG in 3 years. He "got beat" because he sucked.

As long as you keep makin' them posts I'm gonna need a bucket close by.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
Premature. Federer is the GOAT until Nadal hits 21, and even then it'll be a discussion given Federer is ahead in several categories.
 

Rabin

Semi-Pro
All of this gloating is not a good look. He hasn't even won more than Federer yet and anything can happen. I get being happy, I'm still coming down from that high, but the trolling is getting out of control.
 

BH40love

Rookie
1227–267 That’s Fed W/L. Almost double amount of weeks at #1. More career titles and more majors won. Fed is the GOAT w Laver
 

topher

Professional
Why is hard twice as important?
Funny, someone asked about "surface diversification" then was responded to with the numbers by surface.

When they don't like the answer, they then say that one surface is more important than another. Those goalposts are going to break the sound barrier! :-D:-D:-D
 

Thetouch

Semi-Pro
So I assume "played" means you're not counting slams that were skipped due to injury?
Well, if you you set up 10 dates with 10 different women but only 2 of them show up, how many women could you beg to have sex with at best?


1227–267 That’s Fed W/L. Almost double amount of weeks at #1. More career titles and more majors won. Fed is the GOAT w Laver
And Roger does have more hair too!
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
At this point the biggest holes in Rafa's resume is the lack of WTF titles and weeks at #1. The latter is probably where Djokovic has hurt Rafa most, other than all of 2011.
 

Heliath

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1227–267 That’s Fed W/L. Almost double amount of weeks at #1. More career titles and more majors won. Fed is the GOAT w Laver
Fed is not (yet) the one with most matches won (Connors is) and percentage wise he is 4th behind Nadal (1st), Borg (2nd) and Djokovic (3rd). So I dont really get your point bringing up that stat.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
I've always said that LONGEVITY works at both ends - at a veteran age AND at the very young age. (No, not 11-12.)

I.e. while RF has been awesome at a veteran age, Rafa was SUPERIOR at a very young age compared to RF's young age.

And now Rafa even leads in the 30s part of his career. That will surely crush many illusions and myths about the GOAT pecking order.
 

BH40love

Rookie
Fed is not (yet) the one with most matches won (Connors is) and percentage wise he is 4th behind Nadal (1st), Borg (2nd) and Djokovic (3rd). So I dont really get your point bringing up that stat.

Put the stats side by side it’s not that hard. More wins, more weeks at no1, more YE1, more titles, more majors. You can put numbers next to a number of players to imply who the “goat” is, it’s not so cut n dry
 

The_Mental_Giant

Hall of Fame
1227–267 That’s Fed W/L. Almost double amount of weeks at #1. More career titles and more majors won. Fed is the GOAT w Laver
almost double? get you head checked... Fed needs 392 weeks at 1 to have the double of Nadal, and that is disregarding the fact that Rafa is highly likely getting 1# back soon, which would likely remain at least prior RG then he will sit at 229 weeks at #1 if he does an horrible clay season, which means he will have more than 70% of the Weeks at 1 as feed (70% of 310 being basically 217 weeks) he currently has 63,2 % of what federer has achieved in terms of week at 1. If anything its 90% of probability that at the same time during next year Rafa will be sitting anywhere between (229 weeks on a bad performance estimate if he fails to win RG and Djokovic wins all early on or someone else step up), or a positive estimate, where Federer Age shows up and Djokovic Injury is something to take in consideration and Rafa finish the year ranked 1# with 262 weeks secured at least until AO 2021.

IF Rafa doesnt get injured and he schedules well there is a possibility (not the most likely but considerable) that Rafa will reach over 262-263 weeks at #1 by the begining of 2021, then having 47-48 extra weeks will not sound like a "world" apart, being that Djokovic, Connors, Lendl, Sampras are all at similar numbers.
 
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Heliath

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Put the stats side by side it’s not that hard. More wins, more weeks at no1, more YE1, more titles, more majors. You can put numbers next to a number of players to imply who the “goat” is, it’s not so cut n dry
More YE1 than who? He isnt the one with most. He doesnt have more than Djokovic and by the end of this season either Nole will surpass him or Nadal will equal him. So again, why do you bring up things like that that dont really help Feds case?

Fed has more titles but in big titles they are all 3 pretty equal and those are the ones that matter. Most of the advantadge in titles is basically ATP 250s tbh.
 

DSH

Legend
Kuerten IS better than Wawrinka. YE #1, YEC, etc. Wawrinka also peaked during a weak era so don't use competition as an excuse.

But then again you overrate 2014-2020 to the biggest extreme. "Nadal is at his peak cuz the stats say so". "Federer, at 38, is at his peak because it isn't old and he said so".
 
this is not the right way to measure diversification. You can’t place clay and hard as equals. Hard is twice as important in the slams
Agreed. Either double weight hard courts or, better yet, separate the Australian and US Opens, which has the same effect. Either way, the claim that Nadal's lowest number is two and the others is one is deflated.
 

DSH

Legend
I've always said that LONGEVITY works at both ends - at a veteran age AND at the very young age. (No, not 11-12.)

I.e. while RF has been awesome at a veteran age, Rafa was SUPERIOR at a very young age compared to RF's young age.

And now Rafa even leads in the 30s part of his career. That will surely crush many illusions and myths about the GOAT pecking order.
Ken Rosewall
Pete Sampras
Rafael Nadal

They are the only players to win Grand Slam titles in their teens, in their 20s and in their 30s.
:)
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
As predicted, the usual, teary-eyed suspects jump in to argue surfaces to deny yet another credit Nadal has over Federer (moving the goalposts again). Using the worst of Federer' s fans' own criteria for GOAT-hood (the majors count, as they always screamed when they thought Federer was far ahead), Nadal is merely one major behind Federer, meaning there's no true gap preventing Nadal for being in the GOAT running.

They should get used to the idea that Nadal will not stop until he soars right past Federer's majors count...and even at that point, he will not stop.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Fed still has better record at 3 slams than Nadal, no matter how many RG he piles up in his 30s. Their records are too different to definitely declare 1 or the other “GOAT” if they end close in totals.

How many slams did both guys have in their prime? 17 > 16 if you want to use that argument.
 
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