At just 23 years old, Jannik Sinner has already shaken up the history of Italian tennis

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
ATP Ranking

He boasts:
•the best position (1st) achieved by an Italian tennis player.

•the best position (1st) with which an Italian tennis player has concluded a season.

•23 weeks (consecutive) at the position no. 1, 33 (consecutive) in the top 2, 39 (consecutive) in the top 3, 59 (consecutive) in the top 4 and in the top 5, 171 consecutive in the top 20 (all ongoing series).

He is the only Italian tennis player to have defeated:

•the no. 1 of the ATP ranking on four occasions (three of which in the same season).

•the no. 1 in a best-of-five set match, in the Davis Cup, in the round robin of the ATP Finals, and canceling match points (3 consecutive in his case).

•2 different No. 1s (Novak Ðokovic and Carlos Alcaraz).

•10 top 3s, 21 top 5s and 37 top 10s. •15 top 10s in one season (2024).

Note: all data and statistical comparisons refer to the computerized ATP ranking, established on August 23, 1973

Grand Slam

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•2 titles, tied with Nicola Pietrangeli.

•2 titles in the same season (2024).

•2 consecutive titles on hard courts (current streak).

•at least one title on a surface other than clay.

•the Australian Open.

•the US Open.

•23 matches in one season (2024).

•12 consecutive matches, tied with Nicola Pietrangeli.

•14 consecutive matches on hard courts (current streak).

ATP Finals

He is the only Italian tennis player to have:

•played the final.

•played 2 semifinals.

•played 3 editions.

•won all round robin matches in 2 (consecutive) editions (2023, 2024).

•won 8 matches overall.

•won at least one match in 3 different editions.

ATP Masters 1000 (or equivalent)

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•4 titles, all on outdoor hard courts.

•3 titles in one season, 2 of which were consecutive (2024).

•28 matches in one season, 10 of which were consecutive (2024).

•10 consecutive matches (current series). He is the only Italian tennis player to have played:

•6 finals (all on outdoor hard courts).

•3 finals in one season (2024), of which 2 consecutive.

•10 semifinals.

•5 semifinals in one season (2024).

ATP 500

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•5 tournaments, of which 4 consecutive.

•24 consecutive matches.

He is the only Italian tennis player to have played:

•7 finals, of which 5 consecutive (current series).

•9 semifinals.

•5 consecutive semifinals (current series).

Various

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•17 ATP tournaments, of which 15 on hard courts (9 outdoor and 6 indoor).

•7 ATP tournaments in one season (2024).

•at least 4 tournaments for three seasons (2021, 2023, 2024).

•at least 1 title in all currently used playing environments (outdoor hard courts, indoor hard courts, clay and grass), tied with Lorenzo Sonego.

•19 consecutive ATP matches on any surface.

•68 ATP matches in one season (2024, ongoing series), of which 48 on hard courts. He is the only Italian tennis player to have played:

•8 ATP finals in one season (2024).

•at least five ATP finals for three seasons (2021, 2023, 2024).4 consecutive ATP finals (ongoing series).

•He is the Italian tennis player to have earned the most.

Precocity

He is the youngest Italian tennis player:

•to have won 10 ATP titles, setting the record for precocity for each of them.

•to have entered the top 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100 of the ATP rankings.

•to have won a Challenger category tournament (17 years, 6 months and 18 days).

•to have defeated a top 10 player (18 years, 5 months and 28 days)

•to have played the final in a Masters 1000 category tournament (19 years, 7 months and 17 days).
 

LOBALOT

Legend
Exactly, a player needs to dope in order to be a decent Italian tennis player. I like Italy and Italians but this is a pretty sad thread.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
ATP Ranking

He boasts:
•the best position (1st) achieved by an Italian tennis player.

•the best position (1st) with which an Italian tennis player has concluded a season.

•23 weeks (consecutive) at the position no. 1, 33 (consecutive) in the top 2, 39 (consecutive) in the top 3, 59 (consecutive) in the top 4 and in the top 5, 171 consecutive in the top 20 (all ongoing series).

He is the only Italian tennis player to have defeated:

•the no. 1 of the ATP ranking on four occasions (three of which in the same season).

•the no. 1 in a best-of-five set match, in the Davis Cup, in the round robin of the ATP Finals, and canceling match points (3 consecutive in his case).

•2 different No. 1s (Novak Ðokovic and Carlos Alcaraz).

•10 top 3s, 21 top 5s and 37 top 10s. •15 top 10s in one season (2024).

Note: all data and statistical comparisons refer to the computerized ATP ranking, established on August 23, 1973

Grand Slam

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•2 titles, tied with Nicola Pietrangeli.

•2 titles in the same season (2024).

•2 consecutive titles on hard courts (current streak).

•at least one title on a surface other than clay.

•the Australian Open.

•the US Open.

•23 matches in one season (2024).

•12 consecutive matches, tied with Nicola Pietrangeli.

•14 consecutive matches on hard courts (current streak).

ATP Finals

He is the only Italian tennis player to have:

•played the final.

•played 2 semifinals.

•played 3 editions.

•won all round robin matches in 2 (consecutive) editions (2023, 2024).

•won 8 matches overall.

•won at least one match in 3 different editions.

ATP Masters 1000 (or equivalent)

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•4 titles, all on outdoor hard courts.

•3 titles in one season, 2 of which were consecutive (2024).

•28 matches in one season, 10 of which were consecutive (2024).

•10 consecutive matches (current series). He is the only Italian tennis player to have played:

•6 finals (all on outdoor hard courts).

•3 finals in one season (2024), of which 2 consecutive.

•10 semifinals.

•5 semifinals in one season (2024).

ATP 500

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•5 tournaments, of which 4 consecutive.

•24 consecutive matches.

He is the only Italian tennis player to have played:

•7 finals, of which 5 consecutive (current series).

•9 semifinals.

•5 consecutive semifinals (current series).

Various

He is the only Italian tennis player to have won:

•17 ATP tournaments, of which 15 on hard courts (9 outdoor and 6 indoor).

•7 ATP tournaments in one season (2024).

•at least 4 tournaments for three seasons (2021, 2023, 2024).

•at least 1 title in all currently used playing environments (outdoor hard courts, indoor hard courts, clay and grass), tied with Lorenzo Sonego.

•19 consecutive ATP matches on any surface.

•68 ATP matches in one season (2024, ongoing series), of which 48 on hard courts. He is the only Italian tennis player to have played:

•8 ATP finals in one season (2024).

•at least five ATP finals for three seasons (2021, 2023, 2024).4 consecutive ATP finals (ongoing series).

•He is the Italian tennis player to have earned the most.

Precocity

He is the youngest Italian tennis player:

•to have won 10 ATP titles, setting the record for precocity for each of them.

•to have entered the top 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100 of the ATP rankings.

•to have won a Challenger category tournament (17 years, 6 months and 18 days).

•to have defeated a top 10 player (18 years, 5 months and 28 days)

•to have played the final in a Masters 1000 category tournament (19 years, 7 months and 17 days).
Whew! That must've been a lot of work.

hope the pay is good
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
Which pretty much explains how bad Italian tennis is!
True, we are not at the levels of Swiss and Serbian men's tennis pre-Federer and pre-Djokovic but we are close.

In sport, Italy has always been a great world power, we have been more or less competitive in all the most famous and practiced sports in the world, but in tennis our tradition is miserable compared to other tennis powers, not necessarily the United States which are almost a continent in terms of population, but I'm thinking of nearby Spain, very similar to Italy in terms of culture and traditions.

Sinner is the chosen one sent by the tennis Gods to fill this great void.
The fact that he is Italian just a few kilometers from the Austrian border makes everything even more special.

But I always want to specify that behind Sinner there is great excitement which means that in men's tennis the Italian movement is the most vibrant.

Sinner, Musetti, Berrettini, Cobolli, Arnaldi, Darderi, Sonego, Nardi, Bellucci, Passaro, Zeppieri, Gigante, are all players already in the top 100 or destined to enter it.
And with the various Cinà, Basile and Carboni, in a few years we will be able to see other emerging Italians following the current generations.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Borg and Nadal were more attractive to women at that age.
They couldn't keep up with it for a couple of more decades, though.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
Every Sinner thread is really sad.
Your participation is certainly not improving them. All you do is troll about doping, over and over. Who wakes up every day and decides on that as his online life? Holy crap.
 

vokazu

Legend
Your participation is certainly not improving them. All you do is troll about doping, over and over. Who wakes up every day and decides on that as his online life? Holy crap.
People who are okay with positive doping test do not help to keep tennis image clean.
 

LOBALOT

Legend
To think that doping is limited to one player is naive.

All we have to go on is:

1. He was busted.
2. He is playing drastically better.

Sure there are probably others but until they are caught we are speculating. There is no speculation here. He tested positive and then came up with some fairy tale story.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
All we have to go on is:

1. He was busted.
2. He is playing drastically better.

Sure there are probably others but until they are caught we are speculating. There is no speculation here. He tested positive and then came up with some fairy tale story.
I agree that the story as presented by Carrot and crew is, um, unlikely- and have said so here
before.
 

SinneGOAT

Legend
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LOBALOT

Legend
Adding: check portly [porky?] early-career Navratilova v. the later, superfast cut n' ripped version..

Mmm...

And Serena. Again, like it or not they weren't busted. Sinner has been and he should be suspended and fined and have his results be reversed.

That this post attempts to list and suggest his results should be recognized is a complete farce and dishonors those Italian players that have come before him.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
And Serena. Again, like it or not they weren't busted. Sinner has been and he should be suspended and fined and have his results be reversed.

That this post attempts to list and suggest his results should be recognized is a complete farce.
Yes, Serena W is an even better example. At least with Carrot there has been some public notice (though
I'd like to know who benefited from that! - some parties certainly did, or it wouldn't have happened.
 

LOBALOT

Legend
Yes, Serena W is an even better example. At least with Carrot there has been some public notice (though
I'd like to know who benefited from that! - some parties certainly did, or it wouldn't have happened.

I am not sure I follow. My opinion is Serena should have been busted for her "safe room" too. Frankly, having grown up watching Martina my "eye" told me she had some help.

Yet, again, they didn't get busted. Sinner did.

We have a history of Italian tennis and we have someone posting that all those players that played are dismissed because doper Sinner is the best and should be lauded for his achievements. I say that is BS and if you ask those Italians that came before him I bet they would too.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
I am not sure I follow. My opinion is Serena should have been busted for her "safe room" too. Frankly, having grown up watching Martina my "eye" told me she had some help.

Yet, again, they didn't get busted. Sinner did.

We have a history of Italian tennis and we have someone posting that all those players that played are dismissed because doper Sinner is the best and should be lauded for his achievements. I say that is BS and if you ask those Italians that came before him I bet they would too.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
Your last para is not making a lot of sense to me right now, either. I'll have another look tomoember her namrrow.

Martina's lack of subcutaneous fat was much like an outstanding East German female hurdler's
from that era (can't remember her name ATM), and then finally exemplified by SW,
who [looked and] served pretty much like a man.

Double-Hmm.
 

vokazu

Legend
All we have to go on is:

1. He was busted.
2. He is playing drastically better.

Sure there are probably others but until they are caught we are speculating. There is no speculation here. He tested positive and then came up with some fairy tale story.
Exactly this.

The fairy tale story argument is backed up by fact that the physio and fitness trainer were contradicting each other, and this contradiction was being ignored.
 

LOBALOT

Legend
Exactly this.

And think about it OP just ripped on all the Italian players that came ever before in tennis and said they were complete trash because what Sinner has accomplished as a doper.

Can you imagine what those other Italian players are saying right now?

I would be like Ef that.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Your participation is certainly not improving them. All you do is troll about doping, over and over. Who wakes up every day and decides on that as his online life? Holy crap.

Everybody has the freedom to express and embarrass himself in his own fashion. I at least try to do so creatively ;)

Italian tennis always seemed to me a bit pen-insular, land of the terraioli/clay specialists but with less garra and a more beautiful game than the Spanish. Panatta was a great example of that and a bad idol to have. Still to this day lots of Italian journalists wax poetic about la 'the hand' and elegance on court. On a very basic level the Spanish school thrived through accepting the type of tennis clay demanded while Italian tennis tried to do the impossible opposite.

I was so happy when Matteo started to play the rational type of serve plus tennis he was build for and had success with it. Focus on his strengths and don't put him through a grinder with those legs!

Sinner grew up as a kid on a high altitude hardcourt but also competed with great success on clay despite playing just two days a week. As a teen Piatti was smart to built him up slowly with a great focus on technique and not much weight, even if he was maybe too careful. Lots of people underestimate the role clay has played for Janni early on even if his late growth has always disadvantaged him physically. He became a top 10 player despite that handicap but many were unable to process what that meant for the future.

The new generations are much more an international fusion of style and this goes most for Alcaraz and Sinner. I have been critical here about North American youngsters in particular because I felt a lack of clay quality and spirit in them.
 
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bhpower

Semi-Pro
And all this while not even having "Italian blood".
Italia has quite a good players right but the "natives" from there are quite far from Sinner.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
And all this while not even having "Italian blood".
Italia has quite a good players right but the "natives" from there are quite far from Sinner.
What exactly does Italian blood mean?

What genetic affinities are there between an Aosta Valley and a Sicilian?
Between a Piedmontese and a Calabrian?
Between a Milanese and a Neapolitan?
Between a Sardinian and a Friulian?
Between a Genoese and a Roman?
Between a Venetian and an Apulian?
 

bhpower

Semi-Pro
What exactly does Italian blood mean?

What genetic affinities are there between an Aosta Valley and a Sicilian?
Between a Piedmontese and a Calabrian?
Between a Milanese and a Neapolitan?
Between a Sardinian and a Friulian?
Between a Genoese and a Roman?
Between a Venetian and an Apulian?
He has no a typical italian ancestor/lineage.
He has austrian/german ancestors instead.

You can notice this in his name/surame/appearence

Of course he has the Italian nationality as he was born there he represents that country which is fine.
 

roysid

Legend
Italian tennis surgence has been from 2019 itself. Sinner had a very solid game but results were not showing. He was getting beaten by Nadal, Djokovic and others too. Somehow Beretini had some good results but it was clear Novak would beat him even with 1 leg. Plus there was museti, sonego etc.

The hype starts when sinner started beating djokovic, then winning AO beating djokovic, then no.1 and now dominant display in turin. He will be to Italians what djokovic was to serbians, nadal was to spaniards etc.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
What exactly does Italian blood mean?

What genetic affinities are there between an Aosta Valley and a Sicilian?
Between a Piedmontese and a Calabrian?
Between a Milanese and a Neapolitan?
Between a Sardinian and a Friulian?
Between a Genoese and a Roman?
Between a Venetian and an Apulian?

I guess those areas were always part of Italy no matter who was ruling them at certain periods. South Tyrol, however, only came into Italy after the First World War as part of the price for Austria being on the losing side.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
I guess those areas were always part of Italy no matter who was ruling them at certain periods. South Tyrol, however, only came into Italy after the First World War as part of the price for Austria being on the losing side.
Italy has only been independent since 1861.
Although it has a long history with few equals, as a nation as we know it it is relatively young.
Before 1861 it was a conglomerate of various kingdoms.
The Italian stereotype does not exist, we are a people distinct from different ethnic groups consolidated over the centuries.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
In summary, in a few months Sinner has broken these taboos for Italian tennis;

Position number 3, 2 and 1 in the ranking, Australian Open, US Open, Canada Open, Miami, Shanghai, Cincinnati and ATP Finals.

Before Sinner, no Italian tennis player had ever finished a season in the top 5.

He almost single-handedly brought the Davis Cup back to Italy 47 years after his first triumph, as well as a slam title again 47 years later.

Thanks to father Hanspeter and mother Siglinde for giving birth to the chosen one of Italian tennis.
Not everyone knows that Sinner's parents also have another son named Marco, an adopted son (of Russian origin) because they were unable to have a child on their own.
As fate would have it, around the time they adopted their first child, thus losing all hope of conceiving one of their own, they also discovered that Siglinde was pregnant with Jannik.
 
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