At least for now is Fonseca overrated

Lleytonstation said:
What if I told you Bublik is Tomic if Tomic cared.
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Harsh on Tomic no? Sometimes hypothetical career arcs, Kyrgios for example, are a fantastical projection for that sake of entertainment. Murray would have been so much better as an aggressive player; Tomic needed to, among other things, outgrow that pusher forehand, Roddick should have abandoned the backhand slice approach when playing Federer.....ce la vie.
 
kangaroo1973 said:
This guy is ridiculously hyped, and I do not know why tbh.
Killer FH sure,, but extremely inconsistent, like every third FH is a homerun.
BH is okay. Questionable mentality. Decent serve and okay return.
And he is extremely inconsistent.
I know that he is still extremely young, but I do not really get the hype. Some young guns look way more promising to me. Tien for example. Fonseca is a baseline ball basher.
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It’s our own fault. We should apologize to Fonseca immediately.
 
Mensik lost in challenger cap dan co 1 week before winning Miami. And yes he again lost in r1 of Munich but that is now 500.
 
BenBen said:
Harsh on Tomic no? Sometimes hypothetical career arcs, Kyrgios for example, are a fantastical projection for that sake of entertainment. Murray would have been so much better as an aggressive player; Tomic needed to, among other things, outgrow that pusher forehand, Roddick should have abandoned the backhand slice approach when playing Federer.....ce la vie.
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Tomic needed actual fast twitch muscle. He was comfortably the worst non-servebot athlete in the top 100 for most of his prime.
 
No way to tell this early though there are some big holes in his game. The oddsmakers gave up some juicy lines, though, making him like a -185 favorite over Paul in Madrid. My brother was on Marozan today but I did t think Fonseca would lose three times in a row.
 
No_Kwan_Do said:
Fonseca's a talented kid, but he is over-hyped at the moment relative to his results. Tennis Channel's PR department are doing their best to build him and Eala on the WTA up as the next superstars in waiting, and both are failing the audition.

I've watched maybe half a dozen matches of Fonseca's matches this year, and whilst he has a huge forehand, the rest of his game needs work. …
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Fonzie fist-pumping is already at elite Kandy level.
 
Fonseca looked quite raw against crafty Marozan, who skillfully denied him rhythm and pace. Veterans have adjusted their game to disrupt the young Brazilian and he will need to time to figure things out.

Still the biggest baseline tennis talent under 21 by a fair margin.

P.S: The Brazilian football crowd is indeed quite annoying and makes the Italian fans in Rome look classy. Tradition does matter.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
He's 18 years old, people really expect him to be consistent? I don't know how he is overrated if no one is rating his achievements at this point, the only thing people say is he can become a top player. Nobody said he is. I'm sure you can find tons of people saying Djokovic was "overrated" back in 2009/2010, or Federer back in 2002/2003, etc.
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Djokovic was an embryo until 2011 :D
 
RaulRamirez said:
Again, he's 18.
Perhaps, some should pump their brakes on immediate expectations, but brakes should also be pumped on critiquing him as if he's a finished product.
He's very talented, seems to be strong mentally for his age, and I'm excited to see what he will bring to the tour.
(The only thing I don't really see in his game is great movement -- but that may also improve, if not to an elite level.)
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I agree. That why i said, at least for now
 
Rovesciarete said:
Fonseca looked quite raw against crafty Marozan, who skillfully denied him rhythm and pace. Veterans have adjusted their game to disrupt the young Brazilian and he will need to time to figure things out.

Still the biggest baseline tennis talent under 21 by a fair margin.

P.S: The Brazilian football crowd is indeed quite annoying and makes the Italian fans in Rome look classy. Tradition does matter.
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I like the Italian crowd. They're fun. Can't stand the Brazilians. Boorish behaviour.
 
He’s 18, so is basically where Alcaraz was in 2021, which was generating some hype without any real results to match (aside from Raz beating Tsitsipas at the USO, which appears less impressive with each passing year). And obvs the hype has been insane this time around already. We all saw what happened to Raz in Spring 2022, so let’s see how 2026 goes for Fonz.

That being said, I will keep saying it - my main concern atm is his movement. He does not appear to me to be anything like as athletic as Sinner or Alcaraz, and this should be the age where he is able to hare around the court like a Duracell bunny… granted plenty of guys like DelPo and Agassi have shown that you don’t need the movement to be an absolute weapon, but I think that may end up being a barrier to a certain tier of ATG-ness for Fonseca
 
jl809 said:
He’s 18, so is basically where Alcaraz was in 2021, which was generating some hype without any real results to match (aside from Raz beating Tsitsipas at the USO, which appears less impressive with each passing year). And obvs the hype has been insane this time around already. We all saw what happened to Raz in Spring 2022, so let’s see how 2026 goes for Fonz.

That being said, I will keep saying it - my main concern atm is his movement. He does not appear to me to be anything like as athletic as Sinner or Alcaraz, and this should be the age where he is able to hare around the court like a Duracell bunny… granted plenty of guys like DelPo and Agassi have shown that you don’t need the movement to be an absolute weapon, but I think that may end up being a barrier to a certain tier of ATG-ness for Fonseca
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His body type reminds me of Thiem.
 
ppma said:
It's one of Alcaraz's kind.

Very high ceiling, but also very low floor when gears are not fully greased and synced. The kid just needs to lower his revolutions when not feeling the ball and he will be good.
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True, but he doesn’t possess the shotmaking variety of Alcaraz even though he does show he can volley annd has a forecourt game. Also, Fonseca’s movement and athleticism is far away from Alcaraz’s. I don't know how much the athleticism can I peope with a more toned, muscular physique, but the movement via footwork can improve.
 
jl809 said:
That being said, I will keep saying it - my main concern atm is his movement. He does not appear to me to be anything like as athletic as Sinner or Alcaraz, and this should be the age where he is able to hare around the court like a Duracell bunny… granted plenty of guys like DelPo and Agassi have shown that you don’t need the movement to be an absolute weapon, but I think that may end up being a barrier to a certain tier of ATG-ness for Fonseca
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I remember someone comparing him to Federer, I've always said he's a Thiem type player.

Also, he can make top 30 at the end of the year, he only needs a couple more good showings at BIG tournaments like R4 at GS and a QF or 2 at Masters 1000 and then blow it out of the park at everything lower than that. Big ask for someone of his age, but the level is there.
 
You're crazy, legit pros consistently talk about how good this guy will be. There's a reason for that. Every player has ups and downs at this age but it's clear he's going to be a top level player.
 
People just need to pump the brakes on the unrealistic expectations. On top of that Marozsan is no pushover albeit not a top player and inconsistent. Repeating high level performances against top 100 players week in and week out is way harder than some people seem to realize, especially for a very young player like Fonseca.
 
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BauerAlmeida said:
Lol, Gasquet was hyped like crazy. He was on the cover of tennis magazines as a KID



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And like you said, no social media back then, if not, it would be even worse. Then he was still hyped in 2004 like crazy too. And in 2005 even more when he beat Fed in Montecarlo.

I can tell you Gasquet was hyped more than Fonseca. And I can also tell you Fonseca will achieve more.
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He was a young prodigy but people didn’t understand how much tennis was changing/had changed from 1998 to 2005 with the switch to power baseline tennis; anyone who had a one-hander was at a massive disadvantage on return and disadvantage in rallies.
 
Dominic & Andrey said:
People just need to pump the brakes on the unrealistic expectations. On top of that Marozsan is no pushover albeit not a top player and inconsistent. Repeating high level performances against top 100 players week in and week out is way harder than some people seem to realize, especially for a very young player like Fonseca.
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Should he consider switching to pickle ball?
 
kangaroo1973 said:
This guy is ridiculously hyped, and I do not know why tbh.
Killer FH sure,, but extremely inconsistent, like every third FH is a homerun.
BH is okay. Questionable mentality. Decent serve and okay return.
And he is extremely inconsistent.
I know that he is still extremely young, but I do not really get the hype. Some young guns look way more promising to me. Tien for example. Fonseca is a baseline ball basher.
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Well watch his match against Rublev in Australia. Also the one against De Minaur in Miami. Or the BA final against Cerundolo. The guy needs more consistency, sure. Still makes a lot of UE but if he figures it out, he'll be a menace. I don't think he's overrated. Tien is promising too, but he doesn't have Fonseca's power.
 
ghostofMecir said:
He was a young prodigy but people didn’t understand how much tennis was changing/had changed from 1998 to 2005 with the switch to power baseline tennis; anyone who had a one-hander was at a massive disadvantage on return and disadvantage in rallies.
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Also he got as high as number 7 and has a positive W-L record
 
RaulRamirez said:
Fons did win the Next Gen Finals late last year, defeating - I believe - Fils, Mensik and Tien. That's pretty good, and he joined two other 18-year-olds to do so: Sinner and Alcaraz. That's a bit hype-worthy.
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Heh, heh. This place is something else, man. Hilarious too. Your common sense take hits the spot from my perspective too - kid is just starting out, has a game worth watching and the 'x' factor that attracts the fans. He may develop into his potential, or not. Who knows.
nolefam_2024 said:
..............Fonseca went to next gen finals and beat ALL players in his same age category. Why its important is these players are all at the beginning of their careers and are used to the pace of play at juniors level. Fonseca and rest of the next gen gang will find it tough vs seasoned veterans in first year and once they are used to the pace, they will start giving beatings on regular basis.

Even today Mensik is a masters champ and he lost in challenger r1 a week before.
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Yah man, well said - enjoyed your take on this page. One of the comms yesterday when Joao was playing referred to his Next Gen win as the best tennis he had seen among the youngsters. Do we now start harping on about a potential greatest of all time or acknowledge the kid has a lot of potential and all else being equal, should do well in his career? I'll opt for the latter option.
 
junior74 said:
Djokovic was an embryo until 2011 :D
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Egg embryo four years earlier in 2007 made IW final, won M1000s at Miami and Canada (beating AROD, VAMOS and FEDR, 3rd, 2nd and 1st seeds!), made W and RG semis and the USO final. And he had chances at USO. That match was closer than straight sets might indicate.

That embryo could play.
 
Zetty said:
You're crazy, legit pros consistently talk about how good this guy will be. …
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JJ Wolf used to be legit good.

P

Thread 'JJ Wolf is legit good'

This up and coming American has real potential. I'm not in the habit of hyping up American youngsters, but I think Wolf is the real deal; he has the athleticism, the physicality, no glaring weaknesses, and most importantly, the mental strength to break into the top 50 at least. Excited to follow his journey in the upcoming few years.
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RSJfan said:
It’s on him. If he would have gone to UVA like he originally intended we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.
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That reads like some straight up victim blaming, lol. How dare he move into a bigger pond and not instantly succeed! It's his fault that he isn't living up to the expectations that other people invented for him!
 
talynen said:
That reads like some straight up victim blaming, lol. How dare he move into a bigger pond and not instantly succeed! It's his fault that he isn't living up to the expectations that other people invented for him!
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The victim is Brazil. And whatever other (possibly landlocked) countries are invested in his success. It’s very sad.
 
RSJfan said:
It’s on him. If he would have gone to UVA like he originally intended we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.
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I will provide a certification that renders your post absolutely false.
UVA and UVB radiation have nothing to do with this.
 
Sudacafan said:
I will provide a certification that renders your post absolutely false.
UVA and UVB radiation have nothing to do with this.
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I hope this means the post certification process is back operating normally and US random, inane tariff “policy” didn’t do lasting damage. Especially as Dr Raul seems to be picking up his posting activity after his post EV thread doldrums.
 
RSJfan said:
I hope this means the post certification process is back operating normally and US random, inane tariff “policy” didn’t do lasting damage.
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We are about to relaunch certifications, but first off, we requested a certification from US Customs that post certifications are not subject to abusive tariffation.
They said they will respond momentarily.
 
Sudacafan said:
We are about to relaunch certifications, but first off, we requested a certification from US Customs that post certifications are not subject to abusive tariffation.
They said they will respond momentarily.
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US strategy to onshore TTW post-certification is sadly not likely to work due to a competitive disadvantage in tax position. While your process is completely nontransparent I believe you suggested the entire business depends on hiding from the Argentinian tax authorities.
 
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