abmk, I can remember the 2004 US Open final when Federer beats Hewitt. I saw that Hewitt stayed passively on the baseline (as he often does), no wonder against a first class Federer. And I remember the 2009 Wimbledon final when Roger almost lost to Roddick who put an easy volley into the net. I will never be able to convince you about Santana. I agree regarding your description of some great players of the past.