At this moment, would you put Djokovic ahead of Nadal?

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  • Nadal still greater

    Votes: 93 49.5%
  • Djokovic is ahead now

    Votes: 95 50.5%

  • Total voters
    188

Mainad

Bionic Poster
be sure. it was said about slams not surfaces.. nadal has 6 slams outside RG, djoko has 9 outside AO.. winner: djoko
The post I was replying to referenced surfaces as well.

7-1-5-3-5-32 vs 1-12-2-3-0-33

Nadal with two slams more, but Djokovic has a much more balanced resume across all slams and has enjoyed dominance on multiple surfaces.
 

tennismex123

New User
1/ Fed lost to clay goat Nadal.
2/ Fed never lost 1s round at the FO while Nadal did at the AO Wimb and 2nd round USO + RR at WTF.

Here's the big difference.
We have to be partial here, a loss in a final is a loss, in that case...

1) Nadal lost 2 finals in AO vs AO goat Nole fighting in a final almost winning in 2012, he lost to grass goat Fed in 2 ocassions. He lost at US Open against Nole having his best year, etc.
2) Every big 3 member has had some early exits at slams.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Hewitt is Ferrer level of player, Murray was winning against Hewitt as early as 2006 when Andy was just skinny 18 y/o boy.
Yes, there is no comparison between Hewitt and Murray's career. Hewitt won 6 tier 1 over his 3 early years, Murray won 18 over 8 years (+ 2 ol gold) and Hewitt faced a competition no man's land in the early 2000s compared to what Murray had to deal with.
 

MS_07

Rookie
7-1-5-3-5-32 vs 1-12-2-3-0-33

Nadal with two slams more, but Djokovic has a much more balanced resume across all slams and has enjoyed dominance on multiple surfaces.

5 YE#1 vs 4
260 weeks as #1 vs 196
5 YECs vs 0.
NCYGS + Golden masters

33 masters for Nadal vs 32
More career titles for Nadal too
1 Olympic Gold Nadal vs 0 for djoko.

Djokovic has defended Wimbledon on two seperate occasions aswell. He has defended titles on all surfaces and conditions, Nadal Only on clay.

I think there are arguments for Djoko to be put ahead of Nadal. What do you guys think?

djoko inflated resume in weakest field ever and nothing else .

nadal is a real #2 after fed because he kept likes of Fed / joker / murray at bay at FO playing most fearsome tennis and having impeccable record at a slam .

joker is not even 10% of nadal
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Pretty funny to see how under the radar Nadal is flying after getting closer to the slam record than ever before just a month ago. And still twice as close to the record than Nole is.
 

StrongRule

Hall of Fame
Pretty funny to see how under the radar Nadal is flying after getting closer to the slam record than ever before just a month ago. And still twice as close to the record than Nole is.
By number of slams he is closer. However, right now it is really hard to see who can stop Djokovic in the next few slams.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
By number of slams he is closer. However, right now it is really hard to see who can stop Djokovic in the next few slams.
I still believe Rafa can. Not that I would bet on him vs Novak atm. But the last thing I would ever do is underestimate the Bull. All the talk is about Novak gunning for the record, but let's not act like Nadal isn't extremely motivated by the same thing.

I'm confident a potential meeting in NY would be closer to their Wim 18 match than their AO 19 final.
 

mr tonyz

Semi-Pro
If someone offers you 18 million dollars or 16 million dollars, which offer do you accept?

Why are so many of these tiresome threads started, day after day after day?

Nadal is greater because he has 18 majors. If and when Djoker gets 19, he will be considered the greater player than Rafa by nearly all tennis historians.
Career prize money according to Wiki.

Djoker
US$134,684,000

Nadal
US$110,279,818
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
7-1-5-3-5-32 vs 1-12-2-3-0-33

Nadal with two slams more, but Djokovic has a much more balanced resume across all slams and has enjoyed dominance on multiple surfaces.

5 YE#1 vs 4
260 weeks as #1 vs 196
5 YECs vs 0.
NCYGS + Golden masters

33 masters for Nadal vs 32
More career titles for Nadal too
1 Olympic Gold Nadal vs 0 for djoko.

Djokovic has defended Wimbledon on two seperate occasions aswell. He has defended titles on all surfaces and conditions, Nadal Only on clay.

I think there are arguments for Djoko to be put ahead of Nadal. What do you guys think?
Djoker way ahead of Nadal by big margin !!

Nadal only has 6 slams outside French while Djoker has 15

Djoker is a better player
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Yes, there is no comparison between Hewitt and Murray's career. Hewitt won 6 tier 1 over his 3 early years, Murray won 18 over 8 years (+ 2 ol gold) and Hewitt faced a competition no man's land in the early 2000s compared to what Murray had to deal with.
This is true, but as “competition” at slams, they amount to the same thing
 

Third Serve

Professional
Djoker just needs one more slam for him to seal the deal for me. At the moment a two-slam difference is too great to ignore, although a one-slam difference can easily be made up for by other accomplishments (first and foremost the WTF titles).
 

TennisFan3

Legend
By number of slams he is closer. However, right now it is really hard to see who can stop Djokovic in the next few slams.
In my opinion, Nadal might never win a slam again. In F.O 2020, he will be stopped by Thiem/Djokovic. And anywhere else, I don't think he has a realistic shot. Simply because he would the HEAVY UNDERDOG vs Fedavoic.
If you see the stats, Nadal has an awful record against both of them for the past several years. He's also vulnerable to other big hitters.

Djokovic, OTOH, will almost certainly break Fed's record by end of 2020 or by AO 2021.
 

Benjamin Rio

Professional
In my opinion, Nadal might never win a slam again. In F.O 2020, he will be stopped by Thiem/Djokovic. And anywhere else, I don't think he has a realistic shot. Simply because he would the HEAVY UNDERDOG vs Fedavoic.
If you see the stats, Nadal has an awful record against both of them for the past several years. He's also vulnerable to other big hitters.

Djokovic, OTOH, will almost certainly break Fed's record by end of 2020 or by AO 2021.
It's hard to tell.

Fed can retire at any time.
Novak and Nadal can get injured.
Next gen may step up

But in my opinion if Novak stays injury free he's going to overtake most Fed's record.
 
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Benjamin Rio

Professional
In my opinion, Nadal might never win a slam again. In F.O 2020, he will be stopped by Thiem/Djokovic. And anywhere else, I don't think he has a realistic shot. Simply because he would the HEAVY UNDERDOG vs Fedavoic.
If you see the stats, Nadal has an awful record against both of them for the past several years. He's also vulnerable to other big hitters.

Djokovic, OTOH, will almost certainly break Fed's record by end of 2020 or by AO 2021.
He was lucky at this year FO ( draw + schedule) but he can win more on clay and on other surfaces if Novak and Fed are out of form luck or have a bad day at the office.
 

Spanglish72

Rookie
All Nole has to do is win 3 mores slams...then he's better than Rafa.

Everything else is subjective and basically gymnastics judging.
 

DjokoLand

Rookie
Another question would be if Djokovic wins the USO would people put him ahead ? I would slightly right now I have him slightly behind
 

Spanglish72

Rookie
How are slam titles not subjective as well?
Because slams are the bedrock of the sport, have been established the longest, pay the most prize money & are the most prized by the players themselves.

Other tourneys come & go, the slams are constant.
 

StrongRule

Hall of Fame
20 majors beats 12 FO's by such an enormous margin it's not even funny.
The difference is that Nadal and Djokovic are pretty close to this 20 slams record. 18 slams is not so much worse than 20. On the other hand right now nobody is even close to matching 12 titles at a single slam.
 

Zetty

Professional
I would like Nadal to win some more titles outside of clay but I would never trade Nadal's career for Djokovic's. His records on clay are just too great, even though many Djokovic fans are trying to "prove" they are worth nothing. Nobody ever dominated on a surface like that, not even close. This is just my opinion.
Djokovic's overall dominance is superior though. At multiple times it seemed like he couldn't lose on ANY surface. Just like Federer years ago...well until Nadal popped up.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
According to VB logic, Djoko leads h2h. So yeah, Djoko is ahead of Nadal. 2 slam difference is nothing compared to a leading h2h.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Interesting that Djokovic, Federer, Sampras and Borg have all won at least 5 titles at their second best major compared to just 3 for Nadal. As I said the other day, they're pretty much equal but if I were a pro player I'd much rather have Djokovic's resume. The four most important things in any sport are dominance, consistency, versatility and longevity and Novak trumps Nadal in 3 of those 4 categories.
Fed and Novak beat Rafa at at least 3 of those categories however, Rafa beats Sampras at pretty much all the categories and he beats borg at all but maybe one of them.
 

StrongRule

Hall of Fame
Djokovic's overall dominance is superior though. At multiple times it seemed like he couldn't lose on ANY surface. Just like Federer years ago...well until Nadal popped up.
There was never a feeling that Djokovic is unbeatable on clay. Not even close.
 

itrium84

Semi-Pro
For me, they are almost equal atm, with Nadal having an edge.
Novak is 1 GS title away from being above Rafa.
Beside GS tally, Rafa is clay god, has unprecedented 12GS titles at one tournament, OG gold medalist, and some other trivia records.
OTOH, Novak is Grand Slam master with his NCYGS, he has won everything important that tour has to offer, he is BOAT (2015/16 domination), with so much better no1 record + other trivia records.



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