At what point do we equate the Djoker's run with Fed's?

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Agassifan

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Of course we aren't going to judge Djokovic with Roger's 4 year world domination (11 slams, wire-wire No. 1, etc), but if Djokovic wins 3 out of 4 slams (borderline possible) and loses less than 5 matches this year (very possible), he should match or surpass Fed's dominance (at least over a year). Rafa came closest last year, but lost way too many matches.

Now, if the Djoker can be as dominant next year as well, that'd be incredible. I, for one, welcome our new overlord.
 
Pointless thread, because Djokovic is EXHAUSTED. He doesn't even stand a chance tomorrow (talk of Rafa's demise was greatly exaggerated, I must say). That's loss #1. He's not going to win Roland Garros, either. His body won't recover by then and I could even see him losing before the final there.

Then you've got grass, his weakest surface. He's definitely not the favorite at Wimbledon.

He could very easily have 4 losses (Rome F, Roland Garros, Queens/Halle, whichever he's playing, and Wimbledon) before the hardcourt season even arrives, and at that point, the most he can hope for is to win a second major and then light up the indoor season.
 
IvanisevicServe said:
Pointless thread, because Djokovic is EXHAUSTED. He doesn't even stand a chance tomorrow (talk of Rafa's demise was greatly exaggerated, I must say). That's loss #1. He's not going to win Roland Garros, either. His body won't recover by then and I could even see him losing before the final there.

Then you've got grass, his weakest surface. He's definitely not the favorite at Wimbledon.

He could very easily have 4 losses (Rome F, Roland Garros, Queens/Halle, whichever he's playing, and Wimbledon) before the hardcourt season even arrives, and at that point, the most he can hope for is to win a second major and then light up the indoor season.
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I don't disagree and I am awed by what Rog was able to achieve. Thank God for Nadal, otherwise Rog would've swept it all. Many.times.over.
 
I wouldn't compare him with someone like Federer. Because Federer was owned by Nadal in 05 and 06 on clay (during his prime).

During his prime (2011) Djokovic doesn't know what a loss actually means. You put anyone on any surface against him, and he still wins. Big difference.
 
Federer is not remembered for having one really good streak, even though his streak of 41 wins whatever is still longer than Djokovic's current streak. Fed is remembered for consistently dominating the field for several years, while losing only 5 matches a year. That's a very different kind of streak than Djokovic's 4 month streak. So while Djokovic's "absolute best" streak might be better if he hits 42 (which seems to be a low chance considering he is not the favorite tomorrow), it's a different kind of streak.
 
Agassifan said:
Of course we aren't going to judge Djokovic with Roger's 4 year world domination (11 slams, wire-wire No. 1, etc), but if Djokovic wins 3 out of 4 slams (borderline possible) and loses less than 5 matches this year (very possible), he should match or surpass Fed's dominance (at least over a year). Rafa came closest last year, but lost way too many matches.

Now, if the Djoker can be as dominant next year as well, that'd be incredible. I, for one, welcome our new overlord.
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LOL. Roger's "run" was three years long.

They are different.

Why is everything an endless comparison on this site? Can people only think in binary? :evil:
 
Spider said:
I wouldn't compare him with someone like Federer. Because Federer was owned by Nadal in 05 and 06 on clay (during his prime).

During his prime (2011) Djokovic doesn't know what a loss actually means. You put anyone on any surface against him, and he still wins. Big difference.
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yes, because he's already played on all surfaces including grass, fast outdoor HC and indoor HC this year. Can't believe how someone can be so thick and finicky !
 
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Spider said:
I wouldn't compare him with someone like Federer. Because Federer was owned by Nadal in 05 and 06 on clay (during his prime).

During his prime (2011) Djokovic doesn't know what a loss actually means. You put anyone on any surface against him, and he still wins. Big difference.
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It is also only half way through this season. Let's judge Novak's 2011 season after all is said and done.
 
Agassifan said:
Of course we aren't going to judge Djokovic with Roger's 4 year world domination (11 slams, wire-wire No. 1, etc), but if Djokovic wins 3 out of 4 slams (borderline possible) and loses less than 5 matches this year (very possible), he should match or surpass Fed's dominance (at least over a year). Rafa came closest last year, but lost way too many matches.

Now, if the Djoker can be as dominant next year as well, that'd be incredible. I, for one, welcome our new overlord.
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Djoker has had a better start to a season than Fed has had, but Djoker still has a long way to go before he can top or even match Fed's 2005 or 2006 seasons. The most difficult stretch for Novak is coming up (RG, Queens, Wimbledon). He can very easily sustain 3 or 4 losses just within the next two months.
 
You didn't mention Nadal's run, which is the longest streak in tennis history. I don't think Novak will ever get to 81 victories on clay in a row.
 
Spider said:
I wouldn't compare him with someone like Federer. Because Federer was owned by Nadal in 05 and 06 on clay (during his prime).

During his prime (2011) Djokovic doesn't know what a loss actually means. You put anyone on any surface against him, and he still wins. Big difference.
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Nadal in 05-06 is a much better claycourter than the current nadal and that's the only place he could dominate Federer. On any other court federer was untouchable. 05-06 Federer would obliterate current Nadal and Djokovic on any surface...I'm a Nadal fan but never really acknowledged Federer's greatness until it was gone. Unfortunately we will never see it again because he is simply too old to go toe to toe with 1 & 2. With current Nadal on clay, had 05-07 Fed played today = 3 career year grand slams!!


Putting the slav's name next to Federer's is a blasphemy. Prime Federer was superior on any kind of court.
 
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The-Champ said:
Nadal in 05-06 is a much better claycourter than the current nadal and that's the only place he could dominate Federer. On any other court federer was untouchable. 05-06 Federer would obliterate current Nadal and Djokovic on any surface...I'm a Nadal fan but never really acknowledged Federer's greatness until it was gone. Unfortunately we will never see it again because he is simply too old to go toe to toe with 1 & 2. With current Nadal on clay, had 05-07 Fed played today = 3 career year grand slams!!


Putting the slav's name next to Federer's is a blasphemy. Prime Federer was superior on any kind of court.
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Great post Champ.

It is incredible how many people underrate prime Federer's clay ability, not to mention his quality on other types of court in that period. The guy not only beat Nadal twice(a better Nadal than 2011 version) but he pushed Nadal to five sets in Rome 2006 final, bageled Nadal on clay in 2007,breadsticked him in a RG final and had 17 BP against him in that same final.

What was amazing about Federer is how he could blow you off court. Djokovic dominates by grinding you down.

Federer looked nigh unbeatable for long stretches of time and it took gargantuan performances just to win sets. Djokovic is looking very strong as well but doesn't look as invincible.

Nadal messed up in IW final by serving at 25% for two sets and was within 2 points of winning Miami final. Djoker also lost sets to bellucci,ferrer and was within a couple of points of losing to Murray in Rome.

2005 Federer meanwhile lost 4 times the whole year and it took historic performances from those four to do it:

-Gasquet in three sets in Monaco.
-Nadal in four sets in RG SF.
-Nalbandian in TMC final over five sets, still probably the finest match Nalbandian has ever played.
-Safin in AO 05 SF - best match of Safin's career and the silly thing is that Roger was close to winning this one as well.

Or how about his 5 losses in 2006, 4 of them against Nadal(bad matchup) and one against young Murray.

Or how about the fact that Federer entered 17 tournaments in 2006 and failed to make finals IN ONLY ONE of them. Think about this for a second.
 
Match winning streaks.
From 2003-08, Federer won an all-time record 65 consecutive matches on grass courts before losing to Rafael Nadal in the 2008 Wimbledon final.[45] He was extended to five sets only twice during this streak and lost a total of 16 sets (170-16).
From 2005-06, Federer won a record 56 consecutive matches on hard courts before losing to Nadal in the 2006 Dubai final.[2] Federer also holds the second longest streak on hard courts of 36 consecutive wins (2006–07). Over a period of 25 months (February 2005 - February 2007), Federer went 111-2 (98.2 %) on hard courts.
Federer won a record 26 consecutive matches against top ten ranked opponents.[47] The streak lasted for 16 months (October 2003 - January 2005), when he lost to Safin in a semifinal of the Australian Open. Federer also holds the second longest winning streak against top ten opponents of 17 (2006–07).
Federer is the only player in the open era to hold six winning streaks of twenty matches or more. Federer's first streak was 23 matches in mid-2004. The second streak was 26 matches spanning the latter half of 2004 and early 2005. The third streak was 25 matches in early 2005.[2] The fourth streak was 35 matches at the end of 2005. The fifth (and longest) streak started at the 2006 US Open and ended after 41 victories on March 11, 2007, which included tournament victories at the US Open, Tokyo, ATP Masters Series in Madrid, Davidoff Swiss Indoors in Basel, Tennis Masters Cup in Shanghai, the Australian Open in Melbourne, and the Dubai Duty Free Men's Open. Federer's sixth streak was 21 matches and included titles in Madrid, Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
 
I love how Djokovic winning everything at the moment has made both Fed and Rafa fans team up. There is finally peace and tranquility in the Talk Tennis universe. Although this place does get a bit boring with only Djoketards everywhere, especially as Djokovic hasn't won enough to enter into the Neverland of the GOATdiscusion. So, in the best interests of everyone here, and to keep things fresh, I want Rafa to obliterate him in the French and Fed to LITERALLY crush him at Wimby. Vamos! Aller! And COME ONNNNN! (from Andy M. ;) )
 
Djokovic is just great at the moment, but the streak will stop once we hit grass.

The guy doesn't even have a BH slice...and low balls to his FH or BH will cause him problems.

I say a SF at best in Wimbledon...
 
Slice&Smash said:
Djokovic is just great at the moment, but the streak will stop once we hit grass.

The guy doesn't even have a BH slice...and low balls to his FH or BH will cause him problems.

I say a SF at best in Wimbledon...
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Grass is the fastest surface where the most aggressive players have the obvious advantage (like Federer in his prime). Slicing is not a weapon on grass, it is a defense mechanism. Defensive games don't win grass slams.
 
The-Champ said:
Nadal in 05-06 is a much better claycourter than the current nadal and that's the only place he could dominate Federer. On any other court federer was untouchable. 05-06 Federer would obliterate current Nadal and Djokovic on any surface...I'm a Nadal fan but never really acknowledged Federer's greatness until it was gone. Unfortunately we will never see it again because he is simply too old to go toe to toe with 1 & 2. With current Nadal on clay, had 05-07 Fed played today = 3 career year grand slams!!


Putting the slav's name next to Federer's is a blasphemy. Prime Federer was superior on any kind of court.
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namelessone said:
Great post Champ.

It is incredible how many people underrate prime Federer's clay ability, not to mention his quality on other types of court in that period. The guy not only beat Nadal twice(a better Nadal than 2011 version) but he pushed Nadal to five sets in Rome 2006 final, bageled Nadal on clay in 2007,breadsticked him in a RG final and had 17 BP against him in that same final.

What was amazing about Federer is how he could blow you off court. Djokovic dominates by grinding you down.

Federer looked nigh unbeatable for long stretches of time and it took gargantuan performances just to win sets. Djokovic is looking very strong as well but doesn't look as invincible.

Nadal messed up in IW final by serving at 25% for two sets and was within 2 points of winning Miami final. Djoker also lost sets to bellucci,ferrer and was within a couple of points of losing to Murray in Rome.

2005 Federer meanwhile lost 4 times the whole year and it took historic performances from those four to do it:

-Gasquet in three sets in Monaco.
-Nadal in four sets in RG SF.
-Nalbandian in TMC final over five sets, still probably the finest match Nalbandian has ever played.
-Safin in AO 05 SF - best match of Safin's career and the silly thing is that Roger was close to winning this one as well.

Or how about his 5 losses in 2006, 4 of them against Nadal(bad matchup) and one against young Murray.

Or how about the fact that Federer entered 17 tournaments in 2006 and failed to make finals IN ONLY ONE of them. Think about this for a second.
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LOOOL! Novak is really turning the internets upside down,isn't he?

Now Fed is suddenly such an amazing player according to Nadal fans,heck he is even underrated! But what happened to weak era BS? I thought Fed had it easy as he was beating clowns and baby Rafa so all those amazing stats he piled up over the years don't really mean all that much :confused:

Isn't Novak supposed to be dominating during a strong era(2008- )? This is all very confusing.
 
On topic,we equate it once he wins 3 slams a year.Not that I'm not amazed by level of tennis Novak displayed this year(I certainly am)but at the end of the day it's still about the 4 big ones.

Novak is so far having a flawless year but there's still lot of tennis to be played and we have to see how he'll do at the remaining 3 slams,I wish him all the best for the remaining of the season.
 
The 23 GS semi-final streak i think is the greatest streak of all time by far, just to stay fit for 23 GS's in row is an achievement in itself, not to mention the 27 consecutive QF's and still going streak. There are endless incredible Fed streaks that simply will never be matched.
 
TJfederer16 said:
The 23 GS semi-final streak i think is the greatest streak of all time by far, just to stay fit for 23 GS's in row is an achievement in itself, not to mention the 27 consecutive QF's and still going streak. There are endless incredible Fed streaks that simply will never be matched.
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Now that is incredible!
 
Of course no current player will come within sniffing distance of some of Fed's records (23, 10, 237, etc), but that is not the point.
 
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