ATP 2017 Gerry Weber Open (Halle)

[Federer and Del Potro]

you know 32/41 is still fine be me.\
His boy Ralph? Not a his not a he, you are wrong about so much. Including Fed.
I don't expect Nadal to beat Fed on grass, though that is a possibility.

I know this concept is beyond what your fragile ego can accept, but for the centre of a god like cult , Fed looks pretty mediocre on grass. Fact.

Of all the Federer fans on these boards, I definitely am among those with the least of an ego, your constant excuses for the losses are tired though, time to get over them.

Know your place, noobie. Spamming post count doesn't make you less of a TTW amateur.

Edit: Last sentence literally all sarcasm ^

 

[Get A Grip]

It is sour grapes, he's always full of excuses for Nadal getting 3-0'd by Federer.

False bravado, he doesn't want his boy Ralph to see Federer on the lawns on Wimbledon, he's scared about the prospect but won't admit it.

And what i wrote were not excuses. I used those examples to illustrate how it made Fed look better than he was. Escaping Berdych and Nick K in 3rd set TBs where they imploded. You have no answer to that, but only childish comebacks at me--which is all I would expect from you.

I'm finished with this ridiculous exchange, but i will comment in the future, when the urge strikes, on Fed's mediocrity. When nadal was destroying everyone, on clay, in less time than it took Fed to deal with 3 opponents in 3 setters, so many Fed fans were denigrating his level. Now Fed is mediocre, but it's god time again.

You are all so inflated.

 

[Zebrev]

Federer is the best grass and hard court player around in 2017. Who else could you be referring too? Who is better? Murray lost in first match, and Djokovic hasn't played well on any surface this year. There is no one better than Federer.

 

[chjtennis]

Halle for Zverev / wimbledon #8 for Fed

I wouldn't mind that at all!

 

[Chanwan]

Can't remember the exact numbers but he wasn't far off Zverev on net approaches. Won something like 20/22 points which is a good amount over 2 short sets.

short sets? 4 and 6? Don't remember the numbers either. If it's indeed 20/22, then it's not bad. First set was 6/8 I'm pretty sure. That's not a lot for Fed and there were multiple times, where I felt he should (and normally would) move forward and didn't.

It's 40 odd but more like 45 plus, so the two 40s together add up to something like 95. They just flashed it on the screen when he was playing. Idk, I haven't seen him play with so little initiative from the baseline in quite some time. Pretty sure it's the rustiness but does rustiness necessarily go away quickly every time at his stage of the career? That's my worry. Maybe I am hand wringing but better reset expectations than to write in a title that's not quite so surely his as some people think (talking about Wimbledon).

I think you have to be a moron to count W as a sure thing for Fed (some fans are, I know). He's 1,5 months shy of 36. There are countless dangerous players in the draw. And unlike clay, upsets are easy to come by on grass. A couple of lose games against a good server, and you're down 0-2 in sets.

As for the baseline initiative, I think it's masked by Khac taking massive cuts. Hard for Fed to dominate under those circumstances.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Federer is the best grass and hard court player around in 2017. Who else could you be referring too? Who is better? Murray lost in first match, and Djokovic hasn't played well on any surface this year. There is no one better than Federer.

I don't see how we can say anyone is the best in the world right now given the surface change and the open-ness of the draw. I wish people could be more impartial but given that account was created during the CC season it's pretty obvious it was made to troll and cause consternation. Shame on me for biting on the troll bait.

There comes a time when enough is enough though like really. I've never tried to discredit Nadal wins so I'm going to get annoyed when people try to discredit Federer wins.

Numerous threads that guys trying to downplay the Federer wins. Can't just accept them for what they are. Hard fought battles that he came out on top of.

Some people just don't understand losing just makes the winning better..

 

[chjtennis]

Federer is the best grass and hard court player around in 2017. Who else could you be referring too? Who is better? Murray lost in first match, and Djokovic hasn't played well on any surface this year. There is no one better than Federer.

On pure results, F Lopez(Finals in Stuttgart and Queen's) has been the best grass player so far in 2017 followed by A Zverev(SF in Hertogenbosch and Final in Halle).

 

[abmk]

Fed's been playing okayish tennis, far from mediocre - like the gibberish that some have been sprouting. (including that nadal troll "get a grip" who can't seem to get a grip )
4 matches, 0 sets lost.

He'll need to raise his level for the final and at wimby though.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Fed's been playing okayish tennis, far from mediocre - like the gibberish that some have been sprouting. (including that nadal troll "get a grip" who can't seem to get a grip )
4 matches, 0 sets lost.

He'll need to raise his level for the final and at wimby though.

Ok, so it's not just me that feels like he's goading people in with ridiculous statements.

Especially after I was nothing but supportive of Nadal during the AO loss and FO triumph, but get called fragile and unable to be impartial. Laughable, really.

As far as Wimbledon is concerned, I agree. People are so quick to get on Federer's form they fail to acknowledge that he's playing some pretty good players in their own right. Okay, probably not people you'd see in the deepest stages of Wimbledon, however VERY good prep for the early rounds, which will be trickier than normal. And are always inherently trickier given Federer's age.

 

[abmk]

Ok, so it's not just me that feels like he's goading people in with ridiculous statements.

Especially after I was nothing but supportive of Nadal during the AO loss and FO triumph, but get called fragile and unable to be impartial. Laughable, really.

rest assured, you are not the only one.

As far as Wimbledon is concerned, I agree. People are so quick to get on Federer's form they fail to acknowledge that he's playing some pretty good players in their own right. Okay, probably not people you'd see in the deepest stages of Wimbledon, however VERY good prep for the early rounds, which will be trickier than normal. And are always inherently trickier given Federer's age.

yeah.

was not happy with Stuttgart 1st round loss.

fed, you better get to the final or win Halle, need practice for wimby

I think he's got enough practice for wimby now.

 

[KINGROGER]

short sets? 4 and 6? Don't remember the numbers either. If it's indeed 20/22, then it's not bad. First set was 6/8 I'm pretty sure. That's not a lot for Fed and there were multiple times, where I felt he should (and normally would) move forward and didn't.

I think you have to be a moron to count W as a sure thing for Fed (some fans are, I know). He's 1,5 months shy of 36. There are countless dangerous players in the draw. And unlike clay, upsets are easy to come by on grass. A couple of lose games against a good server, and you're down 0-2 in sets.

As for the baseline initiative, I think it's masked by Khac taking massive cuts. Hard for Fed to dominate under those circumstances.

It was either 20/22 or 18/22 for one of his matches but yeah I agree think he's decided to come in less compared to 14/15 but he still does a bit.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

I noticed this too. But compared to Nick K, he's downright polite. I think it's the style now--there are a few exceptions. COnstant interactions with box are also totally common now--Murray for eg. I think of it as the norm for an overly-coddled generation who need constant reinforcement.

I haven't really noticed that with Zverev, although I haven't seen it that much in the matches. Absolutely agree about Kyrgios in any case, no comparison. Also Tomic (who of course doesn't have the talent of either).

I also remember that e.g. Djokovic was a bit insufferable when he was younger. My guess is that whatever is excess there will go away with experience. Zverev is 20, everyone is talking him up, it must seem like everything is ahead of him - and from what I remember, 20-year olds feel like they know everything anyway. It seems to me as though he is dealing with it all rather well, actually, and with a reasonable amount of perspective.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

NO sour grapes whatsoever, extremely happy with nadal's results, who wouldn't be.
I was responding to another poster who felt the same way i did, about demonstrating to Fed he's not the best in the world right now.

Fed fans always are very reactive to this notion. How unthinkable!

I was referring to you trying to talk down Nadal's losses on hard-courts early this year. Don't understand the need to belittle Federer's achievement, would have thought that you have enough to be happy about to give credit where it's due.

My point is not that Fed is the best player in the world right now. I'll also happily say that I'm not sure he played much better in the first part of the season that he played e.g. in 2014; he did benefit from some results going his way and the absence of peak Djokovic (and peak Murray to a lesser extend). But I think that may also be the case for Nadal (harder to know on clay - not sure whether even peak Djokovic could have beaten him at RG this year).

My point is that there really isn't enough information to talk about who is/isn't the "best player in the world right now" (unless you add "on clay"). Let's just enjoy Wimbledon and see how it goes. I'll be the last to write off Nadal and the first to congratulate him if he does win it. But there are at least many question marks about his play on grass as there are about Fed.

 

[3fees]

Congrats to Zverev blnt Gasquet

Zverev To Face Federer In Halle Final,, German going for fifth career title

German Alexander Zverev will play in his fourth final of the season on Sunday after coming back to beat Frenchman Richard Gasquet 4-6, 6-4, 6-3 on Saturday at the Gerry Weber Open in Halle.

Zverev has already won three titles this season – beating Gasquet indoors in Montpellier; dismissing Guido Pella on clay in Munich; and knocking off then-World No. 2 Novak Djokovic in the ATP World Tour Masters 1000 final in Rome.

ATP Staff

Cheers
3Fees

 

[Sentinel]

Truth be told, Fed didn't look all that fresh today.

"Fresh" as in played fewer sets than his opponents.

 

[3fees]

Congrats to Federer blnt Zverev 61 63 in 53 minutes.

Cheers
3Fees

 

[Meles]

Anyone watching the doubles with brothers Zed?

 

[MasturB]

Federer will have slower grass at Wimby and even slower grass the second week of Wimby.

I think there won't be many issues with his backhand or strokes.

 

[speedysteve]

Very interesting match.
Fed just blitzed Zver early and just kept it going.
I have followed Zverev for several years and kinda root for him but don't mind who wins really. Fed was impressive.
Hope Zverev just regroups and is on it again, just as he did after his Nadal 1 & 1 beat down.
Fed is quitetly showing 'I'm ready, come on, bring it on'.

Halle was much more impressive all round, Vs Queens for me this year.

 

[Mainad]

Very interesting match.
Fed just blitzed Zver early and just kept it going.
I have followed Zverev for several years and kinda root for him but don't mind who wins really. Fed was impressive.
Hope Zverev just regroups and is on it again, just as he did after his Nadal 1 & 1 beat down.
Fed is quitetly showing 'I'm ready, come on, bring it on'.

Halle was much more impressive all round, Vs Queens for me this year.

All round, you can't be serious? The Halle final was a damp squib compared to the quality of the final between Cilic and Lopez at Queen's. No comparison at all!

 

[Gary Duane]

All round, you can't be serious? The Halle final was a damp squib compared to the quality of the final between Cilic and Lopez at Queen's. No comparison at all!

4 BPs total in the whole long match, three sets.

Servebot tennis. Glad I missed it...

 

[Mainad]

4 BPs total in the whole long match, three sets.

Servebot tennis. Glad I missed it...

Still some great rallies and packed with drama unlike the Halle affair. You never knew until the last point who was going to win between Lopez and Cilic. You knew practically from the very 1st point who was going to win betwen Fed and Zed!

 

[Gary Duane]

Still some great rallies and packed with drama unlike the Halle affair. You never knew until the last point who was going to win between Lopez and Cilic. You knew practically from the very 1st point who was going to win betwen Fed and Zed!

Of course. I was just being a wise guy.

I actually like Lopez's game, always have liked it. Cilic? Not so much.

But you have to admit that no breaks are for hard core tennis fans.

 

[Mainad]

Of course. I was just being a wise guy.

I actually like Lopez's game, always have liked it. Cilic? Not so much.

But you have to admit that no breaks are for hard core tennis fans.

Not necessarily. I quite agree with you about servebot tennis but so long as there are plenty of interesting rallies in between the big serving, I'm happy to watch!

 

[speedysteve]

Which part of 'All round' don't you guys get?!
I'm talking about the whole Halle experience not just the final!
Finals compared, yes it was over quickly, yes it was one sided but it was interesting for that.
The skills on display by Fed were staggering. I'm no Fed fanboy btw.

 

[Gazelle]

Federer will have slower grass at Wimby and even slower grass the second week of Wimby.

I think there won't be many issues with his backhand or strokes.

The Halle grass is really tough on finding a rhythm for groundstrokes. I've rarely seen a player play spectacular baseline tennis there. So, yes, I'm not worried about that for Wimbledon.

 

[Meles]

Very interesting match.
Fed just blitzed Zver early and just kept it going.
I have followed Zverev for several years and kinda root for him but don't mind who wins really. Fed was impressive.
Hope Zverev just regroups and is on it again, just as he did after his Nadal 1 & 1 beat down.
Fed is quitetly showing 'I'm ready, come on, bring it on'.

Halle was much more impressive all round, Vs Queens for me this year.

Agree 100%. Feliciano in fantastic form, but Queens was decimated early and we were left with servebot final. Halle had a lot of young interesting players and much stronger SFs with Gasquet showing great form. Medvedev was an interesting story at Queens.

Despite the lopsided final, it was an epic matchup. Just sad that Zed got flattened by Blitzerer before he knew what hit him. The more impressive pair of finalists were at Halle and the same for SF. A rarity given Queens usually has had the deeper draws. Halle has Fed on lifetime contract and they'll probably lock up Zverev for a few years if they have any sense. Halle may finally start to rival Queens.

 

[Gazelle]

And what i wrote were not excuses. I used those examples to illustrate how it made Fed look better than he was. Escaping Berdych and Nick K in 3rd set TBs where they imploded. You have no answer to that, but only childish comebacks at me--which is all I would expect from you.

I'm finished with this ridiculous exchange, but i will comment in the future, when the urge strikes, on Fed's mediocrity. When nadal was destroying everyone, on clay, in less time than it took Fed to deal with 3 opponents in 3 setters, so many Fed fans were denigrating his level. Now Fed is mediocre, but it's god time again.

You are all so inflated.

How many more RG's must Rafa win before this guy gets happy?

 

[Gary Duane]

Not necessarily. I quite agree with you about servebot tennis but so long as there are plenty of interesting rallies in between the big serving, I'm happy to watch!

To me a three set match with no breaks is like watching a football game (American) where the final score is 3-0.

That's probably why I hate your football (our soccer), where the final score can be 1/0. The few times I've watched the only score happened when I went to the bathroom or kitchen.

 

[icedevil0289]

to each their own, while all serve can be annoying, i'm sure many find 50 shot rallies just as frustrating to watch. this is why diversity in terms of surfaces, styles of play is so important

 

[Chanwan]

Not necessarily. I quite agree with you about servebot tennis but so long as there are plenty of interesting rallies in between the big serving, I'm happy to watch!

Does anyone remember when the final is played on Sunday? @SpinToWin @abmk

 

[SpinToWin]

Does anyone remember when the final is played on Sunday? @SpinToWin @abmk

I seem to recall 2 PM German time