mike danny
Bionic Poster
Who's gonna win it this year? Defending champion Zverev is out as well as Novak Djokovic. Fortunately, Rafa will greet us with his presence.
ATP 2022 Cincinnati Open: Official thread
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Rattie
Legend
If Montreal is anything to go by, guessing the winner is a stab in the dark. With any luck Rafa will be able to get a few matches under his belt as a warm up for the USO but I’m managing expectations with him for this tournament, despite wanting him to win the whole thing.
@BGod might tell you off for not including Kyrgios in your poll lol
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I usually only include the top 8 seeds in tournament thread polls.
Rattie
Legend
As do I but got a telling off
ultimathule
Hall of Fame
It's Nadal's for the taking. Alcaraz has lost his aura, and Medvedev...until he can revert to his wild and crazy self will go quietly into the night.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I think Nadal will play a couple of matches and then storm off to the USO. He's not gonna bother with smaller events pre slams anymore.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Kyrgios is currently 4th in USO futures at 8-1. But you don't include him in your poll because, reasons? Unless you know he won't play Cincy entirely.
And reasons? You realize that top 8 seeds are not universal for all surfaces, let alone crowds, scheduling, momentum, etc, etc.
It is only advisable to include all top 4 seeds due to how the draws are made but after that one REALLY should look at context less your poll turns out like a riot which in Montreal it certainly did. But whatever.
And reasons? You realize that top 8 seeds are not universal for all surfaces, let alone crowds, scheduling, momentum, etc, etc.
It is only advisable to include all top 4 seeds due to how the draws are made but after that one REALLY should look at context less your poll turns out like a riot which in Montreal it certainly did. But whatever.
Rattie
Legend
I tagged you in good humour btw, and in truth you do have a point. However, it is reliant on the OP’s interpretation of who should fill the remaining spots in a poll if you only pick the top 4 automatically. That in itself may result In disagreements.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
I don't think the disagreements would be more when given context from previous season performance and current form.
For example Hurkacz has no precedence whatsoever to be included over Kyrgios now.
Rattie
Legend
Well should I make another tournament thread, I’ll bear it in mind
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Julius Caesar
Professional
When is the draw out?
Rattie
Legend
Today. No one has any idea what time.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
A good reason:
Yeah, even more reason Kyrgios will win Cincinnati now having more rest and Hurkacz his big win. I'll eat all the crow if Hubert wins Cincy this year, likely 1% chance I that.
NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
Musetti getting the shaft.
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
I mean, to be fair, nobody short of Biff and his Sports Almanac could have come up with a solid poll for Montreal. The only names outside of the top 8 that may have reasonably been included were Berrettini and Kyrgios, and they won't be playing in the weekend either.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
The draw:
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Draws | ATP Tour | Tennis
Official singles, doubles and qualifying draw from the tournament archive in men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour.
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Rattie
Legend
I literally just saw someone tweet about that lol. Off to digest. Thanks for postingThe draw:
Draws | ATP Tour | Tennis
Official singles, doubles and qualifying draw from the tournament archive in men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Interesting top half: Meddle vs Quick Nick R16 is in the works if Daniil gets past Cressy/vdZ and red hot Tommy Paul; Nick plays ADF, Baez/Fritz.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Kyrgios and Busta should have both been included.
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
Agree about Kyrgios but Busta... meh! He ran into a good week - certainly not unheard of, but he had given exactly zero signs of being in any sort of top form. Also, had never been past the 2R in this tournament.
Tennfan123
Legend
Herbie is a former HC 1000 champ and didn’t have the good fortune to have his Wimbledon SF rival withdraw yet shouldn’t be in the poll but NK should because he beat Nishioka in a 250.
Ok, okaaaay.
Ok, okaaaay.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
He last played Canada like 4 years ago. He's made two USO Semis and two Cincy QFs including last year. Still a Top 20 player with big names out. Plus his draw.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Washington was a 500, Kyrgios has been playing a lot of matches and doesn't have best conditioning. Him basically checking out in the 3rd gives me zero confidence in Hurkacz who will now play more with less rest and who's 1 Masters was beating Rublev/Sinner.
Kyrgios' legacy is that of an underperformer but he IS seemingly in his most consistent form meaning only Nadal should be weighted higher right now.
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
His draw was BRUTAL, by far the worst in the entire field. Never mind how things turned out, before the start his projected path to the final looked like Mount Everest with no oxygen:
Berrettini-Rune-Sinner-Tsitsipas-Alcaraz
Oddsmakers had him comfortable out in the 1R.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Yeah and odds are a reflection of volume betting. Most sports fans let alone gamblers are.....emotional let's say.
Mateo is in joke form, lol at Rune, Sinner is up and down. And sure Tsitsipas and Alcaraz on paper but that's SF-F.
Busta is getting underrated now.
Lauren_Girl'
Hall of Fame
Medvedev sure gets screwed again, Nadal's draw a lot easier. Not surprised one bit.
Jokervich
Hall of Fame
What about QF? That looks tough against Sinner/FAA in best of 3 fast conditions.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
With Busta beating Draper I believe Murray gets SD.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
If Nadal wins he can be no1 before the us open and top seed. That’s added incentive for Rafa to do well next week as well as fund form for us open.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Ya and if he loses QF you know things will be hard.
ultimathule
Hall of Fame
Aren't the court conditions in Cincinnati virtually the same as Flushing Meadows? B5 or B3, if Nadal's playing, he's in it to win it. I'll take my chances on Nadal.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
SD? If you mean SE, no, Murray does not qualify for it. A SE is given only when a player was on the entry list for Qualifying but is still active in the main draw from the ongoing tournament. All 4 Montreal SFists are DE to Cincinnati and 7 of 8 QFists are in. Draper, who had to qualify in Montreal, was not on the entry list,so there will be no SE. When this happens the TD can award a late additional WC to fill the spot.
I’m not sure if a qualifier that has drawn his matchup already can be elevated with that extra WC. Perhaps Murray moves into MD that way.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Cincinnati is usually faster.
Tennis_dude101
Professional
At lease Nick won't see Hurkacz until the final.... 
ultimathule
Hall of Fame
I wonder why as they both use Laykold. Different balls? Atmospheric conditions?
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
As far as the draw is concerned it doesn't make too much difference being seeded #1 or #2. Number 2 can end up with a more favourable draw than number 1 as is evidenced here in Cincy.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
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Nadal likes fast hardcourts, because it gets him free points on serve.
The courts he doesn't like are low-bouncing
And he probably would have won Cincy more often, if he played it more often.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Laykold, just like Plexipave, Decoturf and GreenSet, can be slowed down by adding more sand to the top layer, making it grittier. For an extreme example, look at the last decade or so on Plexipave at Indian Wells. The balls are changed at the same 7/9 games but are ridiculously worn out a couple of games before changing.
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