ATP 250 Antwerp Final: [4/WC]Stan Wawrinka(SUI) v [PR]Andy Murray(GBR)

Winner?

  • Andy in 2

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Andy in 3

    Votes: 11 28.2%

  • Stan in 2

    Votes: 14 35.9%

  • Stan in 3

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
stringertom

stringertom

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Keizer said:
Monster mentality from him. To think that he's won more titles than Shapo in his whole career post hip replacement surgery. These nextgen stars need to step on the mental front.
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Oh, the irony. NextGen Medvedev on fire and then Shapo and Rublev both win titles today. I would say they are stepping up fairly well this last month and a half. Tsonga (Metz), Joe Kovic (Tokyo) and Muzziah (Antwerp) are the only 30-somethings to win since USO. Next oldest is PCB (28) at Chengdu, the same day AdM (20) won at Zhuhai.
 
Nostradamus

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GREAT win. but what are the doctors saying ? How long can Andy keep this up ? he is pretty close to his old form. but how long will that hip last ?? all metal parts break eventually, just see what happens to your car over time
 
BGod

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James P said:
Murray is going to be one of those dangerous unseeded floaters at AO2020. I don't think he can beat everyone in the top 25-30, but he's certainly a matchup problem for some of them.
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He can certainly beat a number of Top 32 early in such a tournament. Obviously his fitness is not yet for Bo5 as he had to play out full 3 set matches in a 250, but a 4 set victory over mental midgets like Zverev, Kholschrieber, Simon, etc is definetly plausible.
 
The Green Mile

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mike danny said:
Great win for Murray, but this was a match that Wawrinka let slip away.
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Man, Stan was up a set and a break and had BPs for a double break in set 2.... He also had many more BPs in other return games and was up a break in the 3rd as well.... Kind of reminds me of when Raonic was playing great tennis in the Queens final against Andy and was up a set and a break too...
 
Mainad

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Amazing comeback win for Andy. Gut wrenching loss for Stan who had it in his grasp but let it slip away. One thing even his detractors just have to admit, you can never count Andy out of a match until the final ball is struck!

So it's a 46th title for Andy, 17th at 250 level, 1st since his comeback from the hip operation and 1st title in over 2 years (since 2017 Dubai). It's only his 2nd ever title match with Stan Wawrinka in 11 years and 20 meetings (going back as far as 2008 Doha which was also won by Andy in 3 sets).

He also becomes the lowest ranked player (at #243) to win an ATP title since Andujar (ranked #355) at Marrakech last year.
 
stringertom

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Mainad said:
Amazing comeback win for Andy. Gut wrenching loss for Stan who had it in his grasp but let it slip away. One thing even his detractors just have to admit, you can never count Andy out of a match until the final ball is struck!

So it's a 46th title for Andy, 17th at 250 level, 1st since his comeback from the hip operation and 1st title in over 2 years (since 2017 Dubai). It's only his 2nd ever title match with Stan Wawrinka in 11 years and 20 meetings (going back as far as 2008 Doha which was also won by Andy in 3 sets).

He also becomes the lowest ranked player (at #243) to win an ATP title since Andujar (ranked #355) at Marrakech last year.
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17/46 ATP250 title ratio? And some here have the nerve to call fedr a vulture???
 
stringertom

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Meles said:
Probably all those Queens trophies.:unsure:
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He’s won there 5x but I think the last one or two (2015-16) were after the bump to ATP500 status? Baby Muzzy won 7 other ATP250 titles before his first Queen’s title. He was nominated as King of San Jose in early 2007 for back-to-back wins but nothing in between.
 
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James P said:
If the money is good, can't blame anyone for doing 250s. This is a profession.
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I could be wrong, but aren’t all ATP players mandated to play at least two 250’s per season...

Yes,
Players aren't that free to choose tournaments. There is a minimum number of events players are required to compete in: eight mandatory Masters 1000s, four Grand Slams, ATP Finals (if they qualified), four ATP 500s, one of which must be in the period after the US Open, and two more from 250s or other tiers.
 
James P

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The rules kind of get screwy with so many aged veterans amongst the committed 30, though. Seems like half of the people can pretty much do whatever the heck they want. I'm not against that, by the way, those veterans earned the right to blow off tourneys, but we are in a weird state where the tour is loaded with these players up top.
 
stringertom

stringertom

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Mainad said:
Andy gets a hip pass. What's Fed's excuse? ;)
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16/45 ratio before the “hip pass” is still a bit high and I wasn’t knocking Muzziah as much as pointing out a pet peeve I’ve seen here all to often. I do give Baby Muzziah credit for graduating to M1K plus success very early for his sixth and seventh overall trophies. fedr got one at #3 overall but didn’t cash that second big one until his ninth win that was hauled in at Wimby’03.

fedr’s first 46 titles included 25 biggies, M1K or higher, so he didn’t and still doesn’t deserve the Vulturerer negativity so popular on this swampy forum.
 
Mainad

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stringertom said:
16/45 ratio before the “hip pass” is still a bit high and I wasn’t knocking Muzziah as much as pointing out a pet peeve I’ve seen here all to often. I do give Baby Muzziah credit for graduating to M1K plus success very early for his sixth and seventh overall trophies. fedr got one at #3 overall but didn’t cash that second big one until his ninth win that was hauled in at Wimby’03.

fedr’s first 46 titles included 25 biggies, M1K or higher, so he didn’t and still doesn’t deserve the Vulturerer negativity so popular on this swampy forum.
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Most of Andy's 250s were won either when he was still up and coming (6 titles 2006-8) or when he was making his way back from injury (2 titles 2014, 1 title 2019) so I don't think he can be called a vulturer. They still only represent 37% of his overall titles haul.
 
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gritty win for murray, stan honestly looked like the better player almost the whole way through but andy kind of hung around and made it happen. huge win really, winning is a habit like anything and just getting a taste again should pay huge dividends.
 
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