ATP 250 : Brisbane : Jan 4- 11
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The Green Mile
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GSM Federer. Masterclass from Fed today. James surely disappointed with that, but hopefully he will come back strong...
Russeljones
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Fed peaking too early. Grigor will fulfill his dreams 
Supertegwyn
Hall of Fame
Well, he got a game. 6-0 6-1
Duckworth really isn't as bad as the scoreline suggests but he was never going to beat Federer or challenge him the way Millman did.
Duckworth really isn't as bad as the scoreline suggests but he was never going to beat Federer or challenge him the way Millman did.
rainingaces
Legend
12 points in a 40minute crushing.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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40 minutes lol
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Deleted member 688153
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Federer shows the rest of the tour how it is.
6-0 6-1.
:grin:
6-0 6-1.
:grin:
torpantennis
Legend
Some masterclass: 10/10 at net, and was it 24/8 at winners/UEs!
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Not really. Should be Federer in two.
Underhand
Legend
Will Daddy Fed spank Baby Fed's arse? Stays in the family.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
We'll see about that.
We all thought Millman was going to be swept away in two and he almost won.
If Grigor plays well, it will be interesting.
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Millman was playing awesomely, hitting to Fed's backhand all the time.
Dimi will fold against Roger, mentally he is not there and Roger is a bad match-up for him too.
Also Fed has shaken off the rust and is playing at a proper level now.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
"Almost" only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades.
There ain't nothing that Grigor does better than Federer so if Federer is playing half decently I think he should win in two.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Bad match up?
Where do you get that from? They've only played twice and both encounters on indoor HC in Basel.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
There's nothing Berrer does better than Nadal either.
There's nothing better that Stakhovsky does than Roger.
What a narrow minded comment to make.
If Federer is playing half decent and Dimitrov is playing well, expect Dimitrov to win. Grigor has given all of Novak, Murray and Nadal a hard time in the past when he's played well. Federer is going to have to play well, not half decent.
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It's obvious.
Federer dislikes baseline pushers (Murray, Nadal, Simon).
He likes offensive players, because they do not push (which can shut Fed's game down) and Federer simply outclasses them with his superior skills (e.g. Roddick, Djokovic in his offensive years, and Dimitrov in their two previous matches).
You beat Fed by frustrating him, you cannot outclass Federer without something seriously special happening.
Nadal/Murray wear Fed down, they know they can't out-shotmake him, that is a fool's game.
Dimitrov does not frustrate Federer, therefore Federer wins.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Murray is not a pusher, Simon sometimes plays that game. They're counter punchers.
But Nadal is surely not a pusher, not even in his early days was that the case. He's always looking to unleash his forehand and generates a lot of winners and forced errors.
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Match. Up.
Offensive games work well against Djokovic, who needs rhythm.
Offensive games work well against Nadal when you don't have a huge problem with lefty topspin to the backhand (Dimi is much better than Fed in this department).
On the other hand, offensive opponents result in Federer winning easily.
Wearing Fed down is the only way.
Outclassing him is not an option 99% of the time for ANY opposition, including Nadal.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Ok, now you've just gone and made another ridiculous comment. Nadal is not a baseline pusher. Nadal's ground strokes are the heaviest on tour and his fh is still the best in the world.
Hewitt is MUCH more of a pusher than Nadal is and he had no problem with him.
LOL Roddick was more of a pusher than Nadal :lol:
Djokovic's most offensive year was 2011 and he only lost to Fed once...
Nadal didn't frustrate Fed at last year's AO. He out played him, out shot made him, bullied him and beat him down. Fed had no answer. Same thing happened in AO12.
Yeah on indoor HC in Federer's home town he doesn't frustrate him. Dimitrov has incredible movement and flexibility and if he plays well he will be quite a handful for Roger especially on a slower, high bouncing HC.
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cc0509
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It is all about match-ups and I don't see what Dimitrov has that can trouble Federer. Their styles are very similar but Federer is in a different league imo.
I also think that if Djokovic, Nadal and even Murray are playing well, Dimitrov is no match for any of them.
I never said Federer would not have to play well but IMO if Federer plays well he should outclass Dimitrov even at Dimitrov's best.
I think if Nishikori and Federer both make the final, Nishikori's game could trouble Federer. That would not surprise me but I will be surprised if Federer loses to Dimitrov.
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Nadal, Murray etc. trade on making their opponents hit the extra shot and wearing them down.
Maybe pusher is a bad word.
Replace it with grinder and everything I said is correct.
Fed hates grinders.
He owns attacking players.
Due to his game and mental problems Dimitrov has little hope of ever beating Federer IMO.
I would be much more worried about Nishikori or even Simon than I would about a guy who will fold meekly and will be heavily outplayed even if he doesn't.
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NatF
Bionic Poster
Nadal outplays most players on the tour. He won a lot of early encounters with Federer by his insane defense and turning it into offense. But it's never been just that.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Berdych, Del Potro and Tsonga all say hello :lol:
Nadal's outclassed him on many occasions. Fed has been hit off the court many times.
Fed tries his net approach game against Nadal and he does not take a set mark my words on that.
Nadal's got far too much class with the passing shots that Fed's volleys need to be perfect to win the point, anything less and it's Nadal's.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I'm curious, what strategy would you suggest Federer use against Nadal? Is there any at this stage in their careers you think would work?
Besides redlining with all aspects of his game and hoping Nadal doesn't do the same...
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He's still not a pusher, neither is Murray, Simon or especially Nadal..
torpantennis
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IMO Nadal is actually more offensive than Djokovic! He really does unleash his FH, all the time! Just don't be fooled by his loopier/higher spin style. He goes for his shots all the time, there's a big difference in comparison to Murray!
Grinding is just that, ATTACKING with heavy topspin! Murray is definitely all defense. But what does Djokovic attack with?
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All of whom Fed owned comprehensively before his decline and still usually beats when playing well.
Let's put it this way about Federer having difficulties with Nadal:
When there is literally one player in the world who can consistently beat you, you don't have many problems.
But when that player also loses to 100-ranked players quite frequently, you barely have any problems at all.
Beating Fed is nice, but Nadal's issue is reaching him.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
I'll tell you what Federer hates.
He hates players who can hit heavy balls deep to his bh (Nadal is the prime example, but if you want another guy, Igor Andreev was one)
He hates players with a very solid bh (Nalbandian, Murray, Djokovic, even Haas has given him many problems)
He hates players with the ability to turn defense into offence. Novak and Nadal in particular when they're taken out wide they have the ability to smash the ball back off both sides. Simon can do this as well when he's switched on, but obviously nowhere near as well or consistently as Nadal and Novak.
Guys with a big power game can beat him as well when it all clicks for them.
But you're forgetting that every match is different and Grigor is really improving the last couple of years so it should be an interesting encounter, not that I think Fed will lose, but I think Grigor can give him a run for his money...
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All true, but on balance he prefers offensive to defensive opponents and it shows in his results.
I am looking forward to the match regardless as I like both players.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Those three all have bigger games than Dimitrov. Dimitrov is not a big power player.
You just can't give Federer any satisfaction can you? It kills you. You think because Nadal and Djokovic lost early to inferior players Federer will do the same? It doesn't work that way. It is about match-ups. Djokovic is vulnerable to big serving players and Nadal can be vulnerable in early rounds to anybody off clay when he is not confident. Federer rarely loses to much lesser players and I can't see what Dimitrov has that will trouble Federer.
Dimitrov is a poor version of Federer. The end. Of course it is possible that Dimitrov could play out of his mind and Federer could not play his best but I think Dimitrov has around a 10% chance of getting a win vs Federer.
As I said I would be more worried about Nishikori vs Federer.
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RF-18
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Nadal is a good example of an counter puncher.
cc0509
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No he isn't a counter-puncher at all IMO. Murray is more of a counter-puncher.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Well then stop talking like he's in his prime now then. You specifically said Fed doesn't get beat by offensive players. I've given you a list of a few and now you need to start making excuses for him.
Safin beat Fed in his peak with a power game, so did Berdych.
Quite frequently? If Nadal was losing to 100+ ranked players quite frequently he wouldn't still be ranked #3 despite missing months of competition.
Wimbledon has really been the only place. When you play with an infected appendix and then play your first match back after months of no competition, losing to 100+ ranked players isn't that much of a shock.
Federer lost to 100+ ranked player at Wimbledon a couple of years ago. There is no way in hell Nadal will lose to 100+ ranked player at RG...
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Also as cc0 says, Federer has an extremely low vulnerability to low-ranked players, almost freakishly so.
NatF
Bionic Poster
He's not. At all. The guys looks to bring his forehand into play as often as possible so he can end points.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Those three all have bigger games than Dimitrov. Dimitrov is not a big power player.
I wasn't comparing them to Dimitrov you nutcase. I didn't even say Dimitrov was going to win, all i said was it's going to be an interesting match. But that gets blown right out of proportion by a bunch of insecure marshmallows aka Fed fans.
OMG you need to untwist your panties fangirl. Point out where I said Dimitrov was going to win, go ahead.
No it's not the end, they are different players and it's not that far fetched that a talented up coming player can play well and beat a guy who's 33 years old. I don't think Grigor will win, but I still think he'll put up a good match.
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I don't even count Fed's 2013 results really.
In science, you are supposed to discount the anomalous outliers.
Nadal has lost to 100-ranked 3 years in a row at WIM now, and also lost to low-ranked opposition in Halle, Shanghai, Basel, and now Doha.
Also Almugro on clay.
Him being able to beat Fed is far from the whole story is what I'm saying.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Hewitt's a counter puncher, but many times when in his prime, when he gets in front on the scoreboard, he plays passively and enters pusher mode.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
You're a good example of a guy who knows nothing about a sport he's supposed to be following.
torpantennis
Legend
Agree. Nadal is second only to Federer in how offensive his style is, within Big 4. Most posters just have no clue.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Not often I can say this but The Order made some solid posts here with regard to the upcoming Dimiterer match. I am with him on this one. You just don't know which Federer will turn up and if Grigor was awestruck the first time the two met, he has certainly come a long way now.
torpantennis
Legend
100% agree. MURRAY/HEWITT are counter punchers, even Djokovic just slightly, but definitely not Nadal.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
But you'll count Nadal's results in late 2014 when he had an infected appendix :lol:
Yeah the Wimbledon losses are very bad mark on his legacy, but it's not like he's never been successful at Wimbledon, he made 5 finals there.
As for the other tournaments, like I said, you want to discount Fed's 2013 results, but not Nadal's late 2014 results which is stupid.
So is counting his first match back after not competing much at all for several months.
Losing to Almagro on clay is nowhere near as bad as Federer losing to Stakhovsky on grass or Benneteau on indoor hard courts.
It's not the whole story, but a huge part of it, given that they've met in major finals and semis so many times.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I am sorry but this is a strange assertion. What Big 4? Out of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray, who would you class as an aggressive player? It is clear that 75% of the group prefer longer rallies with winners coming usually as a result of positioning lag due to number of cross-court shots played. Saying one of these is more offensive than the others is a stretch of the imagination. Yes Nadal hits heavier balls but has fewer cheep points on his own serve. When you look at number of shots per point, I wouldn't be surprised if Murray trumps Novak and him.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
That is exactly what you were doing. Firstservingman said that offensive opponents result in Federer winning easily at which point you responded by saying Tsonga, Berdych and Del Potro say hi. Why would you say that at all when the topic was about Dimitrov if you didn't think Dimitrov was a similar type player? That makes no sense but of course now you are trying to backtrack your mistake.
Also, I am pretty sure calling me a nutcase is a personal attack and something which is not allowed on this forum?
You keep lumping all Fed fans together and calling us insecure but the truth is you seem like the insecure poster around here to me. Almost every post of yours is a dig towards Federer. You are obsessed. Also, if you actually read my posts you would see that I like Nadal and stick up for him quite a lot depending on the circumstances.
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