UnforcedTerror
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Exaclty. He can lose R1 at both USO & RG and keep 4k points.
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Exaclty. He can lose R1 at both USO & RG and keep 4k points.
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lol
weakera
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Yes.
clayqueen
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He already announced that he had closed the year.
Sephiroth
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WarriorRafa
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Can Rafa add points by winning US Open? Im a bit confused
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Go Novak.
Krish872007
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No.
But he won't lose any points either - regardless of results. Those 2,000 pts each at US and RG are practically set in stone.
The downside risk is eliminated.
WarriorRafa
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That means Djokovic has YE#1 in the bag then. How can Rafa overtake him?
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Poisoned Slice
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BeatlesFan
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Hasn't it been that way since Steffi retired?
Krish872007
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Well there's only 400 points or so between them in the rankings.
Rafa can technically overtake him if he gains points at other tournaments and Djokovic doesn't improve on his performances from last year.
But yes, this is very much in Djokovic's hands and how he performs at the US Open in particular.
Antonio Puente
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YE#1 and the new rolling 22 month thing are different, right? 2019 points wouldn't count in the 2020 YE#1.
WarriorRafa
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No idea. I need a more comprehensive explanation of all this lol.
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Bumbaliceps
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If points from 2019 can be included in the 2020 total, then there is a chance the ATP will decide that there won't be a YE#1.
Third Serve
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Go Federer!
So now Djokovic is forced to play in us open if he cares about being no 1?
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Djokovic lost his chance to win one more Wimbledon this year. Feck your Rafa.
Bumbaliceps
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This is a huge opportunity for Nadal. He could play Washington and Cincinnati, skip the US Open while keeping his 2000 points and go back to prepare for Roland Garros much more easily.
Antonio Puente
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That's what I said earlier - after the WTF, I believe you could have two #1s, a YE#1 and a rolling 22 month #1.
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GabeT
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Novak can also gain points from Basel if that’s the case and has even more points to gain from the ATP final. I was just focusing on the five Tier 1 tournaments announced so far.
GabeT
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How would Novak potentially reaching 18 at the USO be good for Rafa?
UnforcedTerror
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He's guaranteed to have the full points regardless of his result.
Lol how can he improve on the FULL points...
Lol how can he improve on the FULL points...
UnforcedTerror
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Because why would Bull care if Novak wins #18 when he can get #20 a few weeks later??
GabeT
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The rolling 22 month is used to decide who will join the ATP finals, which is meant for the top players of this year. So maybe they will use the 22 month system to decide the best player of 2020?
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beltsman
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Perfect
DSH
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Joker has it in the bag in my opinion.
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weakera
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Extremely unlikely. He already overcame the virus and likely has active antibodies.
DSH
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He will have 2 more opportunities (2021 and 2022), before his decline, to be the best player of the season.
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PeoplesChamp
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Bumbaliceps
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Because there is a risk for Rafa to burn out in the US Open, and that could complicate his clay season that comes just right after the Open. I think Nadal wants to win Roland Garros and that would be enough. For him the stakes are higher than they can be for anyone at any tournament (on a personal feelings level) because he considers he HAS to win Roland. For him, playing Roland Garros is more about having something to loose than having something to win.
RaulRamirez
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Still a bit confusing, but...
IF....and it's a Big IF...they do end up playing the US, RG and the ATP Finals, they would have to declare a YE#1, right? Obviously, there are much bigger concerns, even as regards tennis, but...
IF....and it's a Big IF...they do end up playing the US, RG and the ATP Finals, they would have to declare a YE#1, right? Obviously, there are much bigger concerns, even as regards tennis, but...
jm1980
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ROFLMAO what are you on about? This is unfair, but in Nadal's favor. Normally he would have to defend the title to keep the points. Now he can lose 1R and keep all the points. He has nothing to lose, unlike in normal years
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TripleATeam
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On the other hand, Djokovic can only improve in both slams. Might be a boon, actually.
vive le beau jeu !
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at last he got this 2-years rankings he's been whining about for years... it only took a global pandemic.
that sounds like an excellent plan to me... where do i sign?
BeatlesFan
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He had his chance in January in the AO final. He was up 2-1 in sets, Novak had left the court, was "sick," not playing well, and he inexplicably took his foot off the gas. He gifted Djokovic that match through nerves, choking and just being Thiem in major finals.
TripleATeam
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Let's see who gains and where.
Events that won't be held: IW, Miami, Monte Carlo, Canada, Barcelona, Wimbledon.
Free points from those events:
Nadal: 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 + 180 + 720 = 2720
Djokovic: 45 + 90 + 180 + 0 + 0 + 2000 = 2315
Summary: Djokovic probably suffers from the cancelled tournaments. He was likely to win a good amount of points from IW+Miami, let alone Canada and MC on top of that. Nadal could have improved as well, but to a lesser degree since his results were pretty decent already.
Events until the end of the year: US Open, RG, ATP Finals, Shanghai, Paris, Cincinnati, Madrid, Rome.
Nadal defending: 2000 + 2000 + 600 + 0 + 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 = 6320
Djokovic defending: 180 + 720 + 400 + 180 + 1000 + 360 + 1000 + 600 = 4440
Summary:
Slams: Nadal cannot gain at the US Open and RG. Fortunately for him, this means he can play without worrying about #1. However, he also can't gain here. Djokovic can gain in both tournaments, so that helps him. However, both will probably give their best in both tournaments. Advantage Djokovic.
M1000s/1500: Djokovic can gain 1960 points, Nadal can gain 3180 points, and Nadal can gain points without much effort (Cincinnati and Shanghai), whereas Djokovic cannot gain points without reaching the SF (Shanghai and Finals), and reaching the final everywhere else. Advantage Nadal.
Overall, this ruling is advantageous for Nadal, but not by too much since Djokovic can gain a good amount at the US Open. He really needs to perform well there. However, if Djokovic wins the US Open, it's practically over for #1.
Events that won't be held: IW, Miami, Monte Carlo, Canada, Barcelona, Wimbledon.
Free points from those events:
Nadal: 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 + 180 + 720 = 2720
Djokovic: 45 + 90 + 180 + 0 + 0 + 2000 = 2315
Summary: Djokovic probably suffers from the cancelled tournaments. He was likely to win a good amount of points from IW+Miami, let alone Canada and MC on top of that. Nadal could have improved as well, but to a lesser degree since his results were pretty decent already.
Events until the end of the year: US Open, RG, ATP Finals, Shanghai, Paris, Cincinnati, Madrid, Rome.
Nadal defending: 2000 + 2000 + 600 + 0 + 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 = 6320
Djokovic defending: 180 + 720 + 400 + 180 + 1000 + 360 + 1000 + 600 = 4440
Summary:
Slams: Nadal cannot gain at the US Open and RG. Fortunately for him, this means he can play without worrying about #1. However, he also can't gain here. Djokovic can gain in both tournaments, so that helps him. However, both will probably give their best in both tournaments. Advantage Djokovic.
M1000s/1500: Djokovic can gain 1960 points, Nadal can gain 3180 points, and Nadal can gain points without much effort (Cincinnati and Shanghai), whereas Djokovic cannot gain points without reaching the SF (Shanghai and Finals), and reaching the final everywhere else. Advantage Nadal.
Overall, this ruling is advantageous for Nadal, but not by too much since Djokovic can gain a good amount at the US Open. He really needs to perform well there. However, if Djokovic wins the US Open, it's practically over for #1.
NoleFam
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How is it not lucky for Nadal?? He has 4000 Slam points that he doesn't have to worry about defending.
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