ATP announces Rankings changes in response to revised calendar, COVID-19 pandemic

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
Exaclty. He can lose R1 at both USO & RG and keep 4k points.

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Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
Can Rafa add points by winning US Open? Im a bit confused

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No.
But he won't lose any points either - regardless of results. Those 2,000 pts each at US and RG are practically set in stone.
The downside risk is eliminated.
 

WarriorRafa

Hall of Fame
No.
But he won't lose any points either - regardless of results. Those 2,000 pts each at US and RG are practically set in stone.
The downside risk is eliminated.
That means Djokovic has YE#1 in the bag then. How can Rafa overtake him?

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Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
That means Djokovic has YE#1 in the bag then. How can Rafa overtake him?

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Well there's only 400 points or so between them in the rankings.
Rafa can technically overtake him if he gains points at other tournaments and Djokovic doesn't improve on his performances from last year.
But yes, this is very much in Djokovic's hands and how he performs at the US Open in particular.
 

Bumbaliceps

Professional
If points from 2019 can be included in the 2020 total, then there is a chance the ATP will decide that there won't be a YE#1.
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Well there's only 400 points or so between them in the rankings.
Rafa can technically overtake him if he gains points at other tournaments and Djokovic doesn't improve on his performances from last year.
But yes, this is very much in Djokovic's hands and how he performs at the US Open in particular.
So now Djokovic is forced to play in us open if he cares about being no 1?
 

Bumbaliceps

Professional
This is a huge opportunity for Nadal. He could play Washington and Cincinnati, skip the US Open while keeping his 2000 points and go back to prepare for Roland Garros much more easily.
 

Tennisbg

Professional
What a mess, should have kept the points for the tournaments that were not played and after this continue as normal ranking.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
He can gain 1100 from ATP Final, 500 from Basel if he decides to play which is likely with him being so close to Novak in the ranking.
Novak can also gain points from Basel if that’s the case and has even more points to gain from the ATP final. I was just focusing on the five Tier 1 tournaments announced so far.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
This is a huge opportunity for Nadal. He could play Washington and Cincinnati, skip the US Open while keeping his 2000 points and go back to prepare for Roland Garros much more easily.
How would Novak potentially reaching 18 at the USO be good for Rafa?
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
They should award bonus points of if a player defends his title. For instance, a bonus of 1000 points for a title worth 2000 points.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Congratulations to Djokovic for reaching Pete Sampras' record of No. 1 at the end of the year.
:)
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
YE#1 and the new rolling 22 month thing are different, right? 2019 points wouldn't count in the 2020 YE#1.
The rolling 22 month is used to decide who will join the ATP finals, which is meant for the top players of this year. So maybe they will use the 22 month system to decide the best player of 2020?
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
I’m just trolling. I do hope I’m right, though. Thiem is getting older and he’s about to miss his chance.

He will have 2 more opportunities (2021 and 2022), before his decline, to be the best player of the season.
:D
 
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pasta

Semi-Pro
But the "best" part in all of this is that Djokovic gets to keep his 2000 points from Wimbledon until 2022 !

What a mess !!!
 

Bumbaliceps

Professional
How would Novak potentially reaching 18 at the USO be good for Rafa?
Because there is a risk for Rafa to burn out in the US Open, and that could complicate his clay season that comes just right after the Open. I think Nadal wants to win Roland Garros and that would be enough. For him the stakes are higher than they can be for anyone at any tournament (on a personal feelings level) because he considers he HAS to win Roland. For him, playing Roland Garros is more about having something to loose than having something to win.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Still a bit confusing, but...

IF....and it's a Big IF...they do end up playing the US, RG and the ATP Finals, they would have to declare a YE#1, right? Obviously, there are much bigger concerns, even as regards tennis, but...
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Let's see who gains and where.

Events that won't be held: IW, Miami, Monte Carlo, Canada, Barcelona, Wimbledon.
Free points from those events:
Nadal: 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 + 180 + 720 = 2720
Djokovic: 45 + 90 + 180 + 0 + 0 + 2000 = 2315

Summary: Djokovic probably suffers from the cancelled tournaments. He was likely to win a good amount of points from IW+Miami, let alone Canada and MC on top of that. Nadal could have improved as well, but to a lesser degree since his results were pretty decent already.

Events until the end of the year: US Open, RG, ATP Finals, Shanghai, Paris, Cincinnati, Madrid, Rome.
Nadal defending: 2000 + 2000 + 600 + 0 + 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 = 6320
Djokovic defending: 180 + 720 + 400 + 180 + 1000 + 360 + 1000 + 600 = 4440

Summary:
Slams: Nadal cannot gain at the US Open and RG. Fortunately for him, this means he can play without worrying about #1. However, he also can't gain here. Djokovic can gain in both tournaments, so that helps him. However, both will probably give their best in both tournaments. Advantage Djokovic.
M1000s/1500: Djokovic can gain 1960 points, Nadal can gain 3180 points, and Nadal can gain points without much effort (Cincinnati and Shanghai), whereas Djokovic cannot gain points without reaching the SF (Shanghai and Finals), and reaching the final everywhere else. Advantage Nadal.

Overall, this ruling is advantageous for Nadal, but not by too much since Djokovic can gain a good amount at the US Open. He really needs to perform well there. However, if Djokovic wins the US Open, it's practically over for #1.
 
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