ATP announces Rankings changes in response to revised calendar, COVID-19 pandemic

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Then the slam record is up for grabs too ;)
Yep Rafa can get the 21 slam record this year (or tie Federer on 20) and Rafa can also tie Connors-Sampras-Federer with 5 US Opens, and tie Sampras with 6-year-end-#1s.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
But it is what it is, I wouldn't complain to the ATP as its a hard situation and you can't make everyone happy. Some parties are bound to be at an advantage.
They could award bonus points to anyone who defends their title.
 
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In terms of the ranking points (which are almost irrelevant if they aren't awarding a year-end-#1), the big advantage for Rafa is if the US Open is cancelled.
If the US Open is cancelled then it means everyone is stuck with their 2019 US Open points....
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Will Novak be credited with a 6th year end #1 ranking should he end the year as #1 under these circumstances?
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
But that would be unfair because not all tournaments have been rescheduled so only some players will be able to keep their 2019 points without playing.

the world is unfair.
that is unfair for one reason, their current decision is unfair for another reason.
if they adopted the decision to give extra points for defending title, that would be as well unfair as some players, for example those who were injured in 2019, wouldn't have the possibility to get those extra points
 
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Will Novak be credited with a 6th year end #1 ranking should he end the year as #1 under these circumstances?
I'm surprised the ATP hasn't answered this question.
I would assume fans have been asking the ATP this question repeatedly.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
the world is unfair.
that is unfair for one reason, their current decision is unfair for another reason.
if they adopted the decision to give extra points for defending title, that would be as well unfair as some players, for example those who were injured in 2019, wouldn't have the possibility to get those extra points
Players who were injured in 2019 have the opportunity to gain points this year.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
So Nadal basically already won the US Open, epic :D

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RaulRamirez

Legend
Djokovic made SF at RG, Rnd 16 at the USO and final in Rome so he can improve on those points. The only tournament Djokovic can't improve on is Madrid. Rafa won the USO, RG and Rome and can only improve his points in Madrid. So if Rafa wins the USO, RG and Rome again, he will be no better off.
IF these tourneys are played, and IF he pulls this off, Rafa and all his fans should be delighted.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Will Novak be credited with a 6th year end #1 ranking should he end the year as #1 under these circumstances?
Yes.
Put in the name Nadal or Thiem, and the answer is also "yes". (Of course, this wouldn't be Thiem's 6th- obviously.)
 
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Sephiroth

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Just wondering but why is there doubt with the USO and not RG? It's not like France escaped under the radar during the pandemic they were hit big. Weird there's talks about the USO but not RG, what separates them? And RG is gonna have a 50% capacity while the USO has none

How can they be so confident with RG and not the USO? What's the story?
 
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IF these tourneys are played, and IF he pulls this off, Rafa and all his fans should be delighted.
Exactly, nothing is bigger than slams, especially this US Open, because of Rafa tying Connors-Sampras-Federer with FIVE US Opens, in addition to the prospect of winning 20 and 21 slams this year....
I would gladly give Djokovic 500 more weeks at #1 if Rafa can have another US Open title.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Just wondering but why is there doubt with the USO and not RG? It's not like France escaped under the radar during the pandemic they were hit big. Weird there's talks about the USO but not RG, what separates them? And RG is gonna have a 50% capacity while the USO has none

I think the USO is definitely happening. I really don't see them canceling it at this point. Like you said, RG is much more at risk with 50-60% capacity but they are barreling along. RG is going to be a mess though with multiple covid cases waiting to happen.
 

Sephiroth

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I think the USO is definitely happening. I really don't see them canceling it at this point. Like you said, RG is much more at risk with 50-60% capacity but they are barreling along. RG is going to be a mess though with multiple covid cases waiting to happen.

Everything I see it's like RG is some full proof cemented slam that will happen lol while everyone downplays USO's chances, weird as hell. Objectively the USO would be safer with no fan capacity but that's the slam that's getting doubts

Even travel, people still have to travel to France and follow rules lol
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Just wondering but why is there doubt with the USO and not RG? It's not like France escaped under the radar during the pandemic they were hit big. Weird there's talks about the USO but not RG, what separates them? And RG is gonna have a 50% capacity while the USO has none

How can they be so confident with RG and not the USO? What's the story?
The infection rate in the USA is going up unlike France.

Dr Fauci says America is 'knee deep in the first wave' of coronavirus and the outbreak is 'really not good' as US hits almost 50,000 cases a day and 130,000 deaths
  • US recorded 47,126 new cases of coronavirus Monday, bringing total to 2,935,712
  • There were 337 new deaths compared with the day before, making total 130,284
  • Despite fears of a second wave, Dr Fauci said country is 'knee deep in first wave'
  • Cases 'went up, never came down to baseline, and now we're surging back up,' Fauci said as he warned of a 'very dangerous situation'
By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 09:30, 7 July 2020 | UPDATED: 14:47, 7 July 2020

 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
The infection rate in the USA is going up unlike France.

Yeah but people will still have to follow Covid rules when they go there and the RG's gonna have a 50% fan capacity, USO has no fans allowed. Surely the one with no fans allowed would be safer to play in
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Everything I see it's like RG is some full proof cemented slam that will happen lol while everyone downplays USO's chances, weird as hell. Objectively the USO would be safer with no fan capacity but that's the slam that's getting doubts

Even travel, people still have to travel to France and follow rules lol

Yea the USO is more strict with their policy and seem to be more isolated, so it would be safer imo. Cases could still happen but it is not as risky as RG for sure. Yea I don't get why the USO would be canceled and RG is played.
 
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Yeah but people will still have to follow Covid rules when they go there and the RG's gonna have a 50% fan capacity, USO has no fans allowed. Surely the one with no fans allowed would be safer to play in
The players won't be signing autographs, so I doubt its possible to catch the virus from a fan.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
The infection rate in the USA is going up unlike France.

Dr Fauci says America is 'knee deep in the first wave' of coronavirus and the outbreak is 'really not good' as US hits almost 50,000 cases a day and 130,000 deaths
  • US recorded 47,126 new cases of coronavirus Monday, bringing total to 2,935,712
  • There were 337 new deaths compared with the day before, making total 130,284
  • Despite fears of a second wave, Dr Fauci said country is 'knee deep in first wave'
  • Cases 'went up, never came down to baseline, and now we're surging back up,' Fauci said as he warned of a 'very dangerous situation'
By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 09:30, 7 July 2020 | UPDATED: 14:47, 7 July 2020


Not in NYC it ain't. The players are going to play in NY not travel across every hot zone in America.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Exactly, nothing is bigger than slams, especially this US Open, because of Rafa tying Connors-Sampras-Federer with FIVE US Opens, in addition to the prospect of winning 20 and 21 slams this year....
I would gladly give Djokovic 500 more weeks at #1 if Rafa can have another US Open title.
I'm a big fan of both, so...
Of course, with 500 more weeks, that would probably be 10-20 more slams....
 

pasta

Professional
Last time I checked NYC is in America !

Just because they are better off in this virus mess than Florida or Texas it does not mean that it will stay that way ... The 14 day quarantine for arrivals to NY from other states is nothing but a joke ... how do they enforce that ?

When NYC was the epicenter there were cries of outrage how this is America, how could this be happening here, where is the national response ?

Now, the same crowd is saying - "this is NYC, we are much better and safer than Texas or Florida" !

If going by the number of cases, there is a county in Nebraska that had 0 cases and 0 deaths - safest place to play tennis tournament in America !

Face it - USA is in trouble with this virus disaster !
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Rafa and Novak dont have a chance to beat his slam record if there are no slams to be played.
Not to mention his endorsements are tied into tennis being played and him showing an appearance to push whatever brand he is promoting.
So he has very strong interest.
 
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Rafa and Novak dont have a chance to beat his slam record if there are no slams to be played.
Not to mention his endorsements are tied into tennis being played and him showing an appearance to push whatever brand he is promoting.
So he has very strong interest.
Roland Garros will be played.
After the US Open, 2 of the next 3 slam events will be Roland Garros.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Let's see who gains and where.

Events that won't be held: IW, Miami, Monte Carlo, Canada, Barcelona, Wimbledon, Tokyo, Madrid, Shanghai.
Free points from those events:
Nadal: 360 + 0 + 360 + 1000 + 180 + 720 + 0 + 360 + 0= 3080
Djokovic: 45 + 90 + 180 + 0 + 0 + 2000 + 500 + 1000 + 180 = 3995

Summary: Nadal and Djokovic are closely impacted here, Djokovic lost the ability to gain many points, but there are doubts as to if he could defend Wimbledon and Madrid. Conversely, Nadal did fairly well, so he could have either lost or gained points here. In terms of absolute points that could be gained, Djokovic benefits here.

Events until the end of the year: US Open, RG, ATP Finals, Paris, Cincinnati, Rome.
Nadal defending: 2000 + 2000 + 600 + 360 + 0 + 1000 = 5960
Djokovic defending: 180 + 720 + 400 + 1000 + 360 + 600 = 3440

Summary:
Slams: Counter to my previous statement, Nadal is easily the one who gains here. Either way he was defending these points, so there was no chance to gain - now he's lost the ability to lose points too. No downside to not playing other than the ability to win another slam. Djokovic, on the other hand must play the USO if he wants to gain on Nadal in the race to #1. Severe advantage Nadal.

M1000s/1500: Djokovic can gain 2960 points, Nadal can gain 3540 points, and Nadal either can gain points without much effort in Cincinnati, whereas Djokovic cannot gain points without reaching the SF (Finals), and reaching the final everywhere else - however this also does stop him from losing points he might not have otherwise defended. Roughly equal, can be argued either way depending on how you view the situation.

Overall, this ruling is strongly advantageous for Nadal, but Djokovic can gain a good amount at the US Open. He really needs to perform well there. However, if Djokovic wins the US Open, it's practically over for #1.
Bumping my previous post now that Madrid has been cancelled. Updated some wrong info and some wrong analysis, plus added in the Madrid stuff.
 
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TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
rafa will not play cinci and there will be no tennis in china.
Yeah, I'm not concerned about them skipping events - that's their own decision. They will still be taking place and either one will have had the opportunity to play there.

True, it does impact Nadal heavily that he won't gain points there, but the negative impacts of their decisions aren't the ATP's fault, just their own.

As for China, I completely forgot about that! Thanks for reminding me. :)
 

lucky13

Semi-Pro
Yeah, I'm not concerned about them skipping events - that's their own decision. They will still be taking place and either one will have had the opportunity to play there.

True, it does impact Nadal heavily that he won't gain points there, but the negative impacts of their decisions aren't the ATP's fault, just their own.

As for China, I completely forgot about that! Thanks for reminding me. :)
I reflected on this "and Nadal can gain points without much effort (Cincinnati and Shanghai)" so maybe you can change it along with the calculation.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
I reflected on this "and Nadal can gain points without much effort (Cincinnati and Shanghai)" so maybe you can change it along with the calculation.
I will change it to reflect that Shanghai isn't happening, but the statement is still true regarding Cincinnati. He can go to Cincinnati and gain points without much effort - he just chooses not to. I would say the same thing for Djokovic regarding the US Open - if he chose not to play there I would say he's passing up a golden opportunity to gain points.
 
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