ATP Discussing Injury Replacement Players

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discussion today about possibility in a situation like if del Potro didn't play

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ATP discuss injury replacements in tournaments following Del Potro injury worry

ATP chiefs have been discussing the possibility of injury replacements when a player drops out in the main draw of a tournament.


By JACK WILSON

PUBLISHED: 16:57, Sat, Oct 14, 2017

Ross Hutchins has discussed the possibility of a replacement for injured players

Juan Martin del Potro was a doubt to face Roger Federer today after falling on his wrist in the quarter-final win over Viktor Troicki.

He got through that one but has bruising on his wrist and needed to test himself this morning to see if he could play again.

He has though decided to press ahead with the match and will take on Federer for a place against Rafael Nadal in the final.

If Del Potro had lost his fitness race, Shanghai fans would only have been able to see Rafael Nadal in action while Federer would have got a bye. It would have left a gaping hole in the scheduling for supporters who have paid big cash for tickets.

Asked on Sky Sports whether Federer could play Troicki as a lucky loser, ATP Chief Player Officer Ross Hutchins said: "It is something we've looked into in the last couple of years.

Ross Hutchins was speaking in the Sky Sports studio

"There's been a few incidents, one or two a year, where in the latter stages of events there have been some retirements or walkovers where players have got injured in their previous matches.

"Or when they fell sick overnight or a freak incident which could happen at any moment.

"We've looked closely but, at the moment, we thought it's best not to do something or implement something because there's so many different elements which could come into play.

"Whether it's keeping players an extra day or two across every single tournament because you can't pick and choose which tournaments this could happen because you can't predict the future.

"Also, how would it affect the rankings when someone in our sport, once you're eliminated in the main draw, it's normally end of the week but now we're saying 'you can come back in the draw now through the back door'.

"That could have a big influence on the rankings when it comes to big bonuses or rankings movements or end-of-year finishes,it can have a major influence when you've already been eliminated.

"There is a precedent from qualifying to main draw and that's why we looked at it.

"We had numerous discussions and it's something we will be monitoring, Often we say tournaments should be aware this could happen, we try and incentivise them to have great ex-players or very important people who can entertain a crowd.

"We want to entertain the crowds and the stakeholders involved in our sport to have a great time and watch fantastic occasions in our great stadiums."
 
I don't think people withdrawing mid-tournament is a common-enough occurrence to make such a big change in tournament procedure.

The biggest problem regarding injuries is how often players have to miss entire weeks or months of the tour because of them.
 
I don't mind this but with a stipulation, the replacement do not get the full points for winning the tournament. If he is in SF for replacing an injured player and win the final, he would get a 3nd round points to be added with the points he already gained until he lost that round. If he wins a SF, but lost the final, he would get only 2nd round points. If he is a replacement player in QF, and wins the final, he would get 4th round/QF points for winning the tournament depending on # of draws to be added with the points he lost in early rounds. So in other word, a replacement starts from zero pointer as a first round at the very round he replaced and gains the point from that point in the tournament.

For example, he might win the first round but lost in second round. He might gain 45 points and then he is in QF in a Masters as a replacement and wins the final, he would get a QF points so he would gain only 180 points plus 45 points for his first round win and he gains 325 points rather than a full 1000 points.

The lucky loser should be drawn from the same round they lost rather than the previous opponents. So in the Slams, if there is an winner then a walkover in 2nd round, then the lucky loser would be 1 in 64 chances of getting back in. Same for second round, one in 32 chance and so on. If a player lost in SF and 1 of 2 chances of getting an opportunity to get back in but the final worth 45 points to SF points of 720 and if he wins the final, he is only adding to 45 points for his win so his final tally would be 765 and prevent other player from getting 2000 points but would only get 1200 points. You would want to have any champion fully earned his final win of the tournament than be given that points and the player who got injured by winning his SF but withdrawn from his final points would still get 1200 points.
 
Can you imagine the outrage if for example DelPotro beats Tomic 6-0, 6-0, but ends up injuring his wrist, which means Tomic is allowed to replace him in the following round?
It simply does not make sense for someone who has already lost in an elimination tournament to get a 2nd chance. Even the idea of Lucky Losers does not sit well with me.
 
That would require that the injured players announce immediately that they will not participate in the next round.

Otherwise there will be noone to replace them, as many players do not stay around when they lose. It is a costs related issue.

And I imagine that any player would prefer to give himself the best chance to continue to play, especially since they were good enough to advance to the next round by winning up until that point.

:cool:
 
This is a terrible idea.

If you lose you're out the tournament, you don't deserve to stay in *through the back door.*

it's allright for lucky losers in the first round because every tournament should start with a full set of matches, but not after the tournament starts. How can a player deserve to win a knockout tournament having lost a match? (or two.)
 
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