ATP Finals 2018 RR3: (3) Alexander Zverev vs (8) John Isner

[abmk]

Isner dumps the I/O FH into the net and Z has the set.

 

[Red Rick]

First good Zverev forehand since the first animals crawled out of the ocean.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

#Let'sGoooo

 

[MasterZeb]

John you plonker

 

[True Fanerer]

 

[Red Rick]

Can we please focus the camera on whoever loses a point. Much more enjoyable.

 

[tennis_pro]

If Street wins this in straight sets I believe Cilic is out no matter what he does.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Wait just realised Cilic has a .1% chance of beating Djoko

Well Z wins a set cilic is your last hope

 

[Meles]

 

[Red Rick]

"Zverev was brave"

Whatever crack Koenig is smoking, it needs to be off the streets. Kids are gonna die from that.

 

[tennis_pro]

If Zverev wins this set, even in a tie-break, I believe Djokovic tops the group even if Cilic double bagels him. Street advances from 2nd place.

 

[AndyFtw17]

If Street wins this in straight sets I believe Cilic is out no matter what he does.

3 Sets for Zverev and Cilic is out too.

Cilic's only hope is Isner wins in 3 (now) and he beats Djoko (in 2 or 3)

 

[Red Rick]

Zverev hits dropshot.

The world revels in hilarity

 

[TheAssassin]

If Street wins this in straight sets I believe Cilic is out no matter what he does.

Street just has to win and he is through.

Isner is now definitely out as he needed straight sets win to have a chance.

 

[stringertom]

One too many I/O FH errors and Isner eliminates himself.

He’s not tanking to start the second set so Zedraffe won’t waltz into the SFs.

 

[True Fanerer]

200 points for a win here right?

 

[tennis_pro]

3 Sets for Zverev and Cilic is out too.

Cilic's only hope is Isner wins in 3 (now) and he beats Djoko (in 2 or 3)

I don't think so, if Zverev wins in 3 and Cilic wins in 2 you'll have:

1) Djokovic 2-1 4-2
Cilic 2-1 4-3
Zverev 2-1 4-3

So the percentage of games won would decide who advances - Cilic or Zverev. Djokovic tops the group if Zverev loses a set.

If Zverev wins like 7-6 6-7 6-3 and Cilic beats Djokovic 7-6 7-6 then Cilic is through.

 

[Red Rick]

What year did we see the last backhand down the line from Zverev

 

[I Am Finnish]

I don't think so, if Zverev wins in 3 and Cilic wins in 2 you'll have:

1) Djokovic 2-1 4-2
Cilic 2-1 4-3
Zverev 2-1 4-3

So the percentage of games won would decide who advances - Cilic or Zverev. Djokovic tops the group if Zverev loses a set.

This means cilic will go through

 

[tennis_pro]

This means cilic will go through

If this happened Cilic would probably go through given how Zverev went 5-12 against Djokovic in games.

 

[stringertom]

Isner the moral winner of the Edberg Sportsmanship award for shaking Zedraffe’s hand after the line clipper ace is called out.

 

[Plamen1234]

This means cilic will go through

I found this graph.It explains the situation

 

[abmk]

nice half-volley from Isner.

 

[Raindogs]

I suspect Lendl only took the gig to get the Clear Sports brand out there.

 

[AndyFtw17]

I don't think so, if Zverev wins in 3 and Cilic wins in 2 you'll have:

1) Djokovic 2-1 4-2
Cilic 2-1 4-3
Zverev 2-1 4-3

So the percentage of games won would decide who advances - Cilic or Zverev. Djokovic tops the group if Zverev loses a set.

If Zverev wins like 7-6 6-7 6-3 and Cilic beats Djokovic 7-6 7-6 then Cilic is through.

I thought so first but because Zverev and Cilic will be tied on set percentages (and not Djokovic), it goes to h2h between Zverev and Cilic, and Zverev progresses.

From https://www.nittoatpfinals.com/en/event/semifinal-qualifying-procedure

"Comment 4: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, 1 player’s sets won-loss is 5-2 for 71.43%; the other 2 players both have a 4-3 record in sets for 57.14%. In this case there is 1 superior player (71.43%) and the remaining 2 players are tied; it now reverts to the head to head result of the 2 remaining players with the winning player advancing as group runner-up."

 

[tennis_pro]

I don't think there's any way Djokovic can't top the group. The worst case scenario is that Zverev beats Isner 7-6 6-4 and Cilic wins 6-0 6-0.

In this case:
1) Djokovic 2-1 4-2 24-24
2) Zverev 2-1 4-2 39-40
3) Cilic 2-1 4-3 42-28

 

[Krish0608]

Zverev serving the best I have seen him serve. This could be a turning point if he continues to serve this well next year.

 

[TheAssassin]

I don't think so, if Zverev wins in 3 and Cilic wins in 2 you'll have:

1) Djokovic 2-1 4-2
Cilic 2-1 4-3
Zverev 2-1 4-3

So the percentage of games won would decide who advances - Cilic or Zverev. Djokovic tops the group if Zverev loses a set.

If Zverev wins like 7-6 6-7 6-3 and Cilic beats Djokovic 7-6 7-6 then Cilic is through.

It's no longer a three way tie because Djokovic's set win-loss is superior to both of theirs. It would come down to who won the meeting between Zverev and Cilic.

 

[albertobra]

What year did we see the last backhand down the line from Zverev

The same one we saw Isner's one

 

[albertobra]

Now, Zvev truly on 'bot' edition here.

 

[tennis_pro]

It's no longer a three way tie because Djokovic's set win-loss is superior to both of theirs. It would come down to who won the meeting between Zverev and Cilic.

Right, I got too caught up with Fed's group because everyone was talking about a 3 way tie there.

 

[I Am Finnish]

It's no longer a three way tie because Djokovic's set win-loss is superior to both of theirs. It would come down to who won the meeting between Zverev and Cilic.

This is confusing

 

[tennis_pro]

This is confusing

A three way tie is when you have 3 players who went 2-1 in matches and have the same percentage of sets won (like 4-2). Then you look at games and decide who goes through based on that. In our case we won't have 3 players with the same percentage of sets won, Djokovic is already at an an advantage because he's currently 4-0 so can't do worse than 4-2 and Cilic is at a disadvantage because he's currently at 2-3.

 

[albertobra]

The same one we saw Isner's one

LOL that was a nice BHDL from Big John!

 

[I Am Finnish]

A three way tie is when you have 3 players who went 2-1 in matches and have the same percentage of sets won (like 4-2). Then you look at games and decide who goes through based on that. In our case we won't have 3 players with the same percentage of sets won, Djokovic is already at an an advantage because he's currently 4-0 so can't do worse than 4-2 and Cilic is at a disadvantage because he's currently at 2-3.

I think I understand now

 

[tennis_pro]

Now I'm wondering if there's a possibility that you have a player who went 2-1 in matches, doesn't qualify and the players he beat are those who did.

Edit: nah, impossible because the 4th player would have to get a win.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Street breaks thanks to Isners stupid UEs

 

[Red Rick]

Zverev's passivity paying off.

I hate this so much

 

[tennis_pro]

Street wins 7-6 6-3. So now assuming Djokovic gets double bageled (LMAO):

1. Djokovic 2-1 4-2 24-24
2. Zverev 2-1 4-2 39-39
3. Cilic 2-1 4-3 42-28
4. Isner 0-3 1-6 36-50

Djokovic just has to show up LMAO. Looks like Djokovic-Cilic is a dead rubber given how Cilic can't qualify and Djokovic advances from first place even if he gets double bageled.

 

[Terenigma]

GSM Zverev, deserved win too and i think that means he's through to the SF right?

I'm just glad the boring serve-bot is out. Beaten by all 3 players in his group because he doesn't belong here. One trick-pony players don't belong in the world tour finals.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Cilic is officially out



Fedr - Z
Djokovic - Anderson

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Street takes it

 

[Red Rick]

Absolutely brilliant decision to have the match that might actually be a dead match last.

ATP is run by ******** people

 

[Meles]

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Well done Street.

The semifinals are set.

 

[TheAssassin]

This is confusing

It's a three way tie until there are just two players tied. Then it becomes a two way tie.

 

[Steve0904]

20 pounds of muscle on Zverev. All gone to his head.

 

[Terenigma]

Zverev gave a nice interview. I think he's getting better at trying to win some fans back, just needs to stop letting his ego do the talking when he loses.

 

[Boxton1611]

What do I hate more? Street’s unwavering arrogance or Isner’s hateful between-the-legs bll bouncing

 

[Red Rick]

How did that tournament turn out again.