ATP Finals 2024 - Turin

Who will win the 2024 ATP Finals?

  • Sinner

    Votes: 37 52.9%
  • Zverev

    Votes: 14 20.0%
  • Alcaraz

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • Medvedev

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Fritz

    Votes: 5 7.1%
  • Ruud

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • De Minaur

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Rublev

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    70

NYTennisfan

Hall of Fame
Alcaraz real number 1 this season.

AHAHAHAH

And now don't come out with hypocritical politically correct speeches such as that we shouldn't enjoy other people's misfortunes.
I don't enjoy Alcaraz's misfortunes but rather the delusional theories of some of his fans and others.

Having said that, this 2-0 defeat terribly complicates Alcaraz's plans in this tournament, where he now sees himself forced to beat Rublev and Zverev and it is not even guaranteed that it will be enough to qualify.

However, on Alcaraz I am getting the idea that in the combination of technical and athletic means he is probably the most talented tennis player together with Federer seen in the history of this sport, but on a mental level his tennis orientation is more oriented towards Nalbaldian, Monfils, Kyrgios , etc., that is, that of genius and recklessness.
These debacles of his cannot be explained otherwise.
And here too, don't mention his numerous triumphs in relation to his age, or the statistics of his matches won which ended in the fifth set, these are generated by his immense tennis and athletic talent mentioned above, but mentally he is not and perhaps never will be a player solid.
When he has no control over his opponent he goes haywire, just as tactically he remains an anarchic player still at the ABC.

It is no coincidence that in a sketch with Sinner before the tournament when they were both asked what they would steal from the other, Sinner replied his game at the net, while Alcaraz replied his head.
Lol at comparing Alcaraz's mental game to Nalbandian, Monfils and Kyrgios who had never done anything of note deep in slams. Just a ridiculous comparison in any context.

Alcaraz is in a slump post Olympics, nothing more nothing less.
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
Lol at comparing Alcaraz's mental game to Nalbandian, Monfils and Kyrgios who had never done anything of note deep in slams. Just a ridiculous comparison in any context.

Alcaraz is in a slump post Olympics, nothing more nothing less.
I see you have a comprehension problem.

If you are probably the greatest tennis talent the sport has had or so, then you win as much as he has won.
But his mental limitations are precisely the aspect that will not allow him to win as much as he could, exactly like those 3 I mentioned.
Everything must be done in proportion.

A player like Alcaraz cannot lose all the matches he lost in 2024 against players clearly inferior to him, the fact that it happens so often means that there is a big problem with his approach, inability to adapt to various situations, and also a difficulty in interpreting matches from a tactical point of view depending on the opponent.
All aspects that have to do with the mental sphere in the competitive environment.
 

NYTennisfan

Hall of Fame
I see you have a comprehension problem.

If you are probably the greatest tennis talent the sport has had or so, then you win as much as he has won.
But his mental limitations are precisely the aspect that will not allow him to win as much as he could, exactly like those 3 I mentioned.
Everything must be done in proportion.

A player like Alcaraz cannot lose all the matches he lost in 2024 against players clearly inferior to him, the fact that it happens so often means that there is a big problem with his approach, inability to adapt to various situations, and also a difficulty in interpreting matches from a tactical point of view depending on the opponent.
All aspects that have to do with the mental sphere in the competitive environment.
You don't win slams, nevermind 4 slams by the age of 21, on talent alone. That's not how tennis works, the sport is a big mental grind and it takes a lot of mental strength to win multiple slams and as many big matches as Alcaraz has won.

You're comparing his mental level to 3 talented headcases who won zero slams. It's a completely invalid comparison.
He's 3-0 in real matches vs. Sinner this year btw so I guess Sinner didn't have enough mental strength in those matches. His finals record career wise in big tournaments is absurdly good. If anything, his mental game is a strength. It's his propensity to play down to opponents that gets him in trouble at times but even with that, he's one of the most successful 21 and under players of all time. You don't achieve that on talent alone.
 

bw114

Rookie
Carlos probably has some "mental" areas in which he can improve, but you can say that about every tennis player ever—even about Djokovic and Nadal. Alcaraz's losses, like the one today, have far more to do with the fact he's just not a consistently top five player on hard courts that are medium-fast or faster, as evidenced by this loss, Paris, Cincinnati, the USO, etc.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
Lol at comparing Alcaraz's mental game to Nalbandian, Monfils and Kyrgios who had never done anything of note deep in slams. Just a ridiculous comparison in any context.
Not quite accurate. Making a Wimbledon final, which both Nalbandian and Kyrgios have done, is certainly worthy of note. But I do agree, of course, that their slam accomplishments pale in comparison to those of Alcaraz.
 
Wow, that's a really poor result for Alcaraz. Did he seem to have any physical problems, or was he just off (plus not being entirely comfortable on indoor hard yet)?

With it being a straight-sets loss as well, and very few games won, his qualification for the semis is already in serious danger. The remaining matches are must-win matches, and Zverev is in good form. I hope he can pull this out!

Perhaps his mind is already on the Davis Cup final farewell for Rafa?
 
Also, with Ruud's win he passes Djokovic in the live rankings, with the latter now being at #7. Alcaraz can get Djokovic to #8 by losing to Rublev too. :p

I'm not going to bet on de Minaur getting a win in his group, but if he and Rublev both do, then Novak would drop out of the top 8.
 
Quite unexpected, but this is tennis and Ruud performed great. Alcaraz didn't look perfectly healthy, but that might be hindsight.

I understand some scorn after the ridiculous and frankly stupid stuff by some 'fans' in relation to Sinner but Charlie will bounce back.
Yah man. He'll bounce back, or not for this event if he is unwell. As you say, this is tennis ( I'll add sports) and learning from the loss / moving on are the options. I hope he does so, and that he is okay ( apparently some tummy issue), and can play better next, where Andrey awaits.

Well done to Casper for taking the momentum and not losing belief even when down in the second, outplaying Carlitos to clinch it. Sasha seems to be in his element and whilst I hope its a good match between them, he is unlikely to be bothered by Casper.

Tomorrow, wonder if Taylor can make a match of it against Jannik, and can Daniil find some solace by getting past Alex?
 
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Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
I don't sweat Alcaraz losing at all, he brings it at the slams and that's where it matters the most, Sinner is more superior when it comes to consistency and that's why he's numero uno with a substantial lead.

Alcaraz would lose 10 matches in a row then win a slam and we would remember him winning that slam.
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
You don't win slams, nevermind 4 slams by the age of 21, on talent alone. That's not how tennis works, the sport is a big mental grind and it takes a lot of mental strength to win multiple slams and as many big matches as Alcaraz has won.

You're comparing his mental level to 3 talented headcases who won zero slams. It's a completely invalid comparison.
He's 3-0 in real matches vs. Sinner this year btw so I guess Sinner didn't have enough mental strength in those matches. His finals record career wise in big tournaments is absurdly good. If anything, his mental game is a strength. It's his propensity to play down to opponents that gets him in trouble at times but even with that, he's one of the most successful 21 and under players of all time. You don't achieve that on talent alone.
So Nalbaldian who beat the big three in the same tournament in sequence, or Kyrgios who in turn scalped the big three from a very young age, I must deduce from your reasoning that it is synonymous with mental strength on their part.
Monfils who at almost 40 years old still manages to maintain an acceptable level allowing himself to beat a player like Alcaraz who is almost 20 years younger, is this also synonymous with mental strength?

You have to do everything in proportion to the talent, otherwise it becomes useless to start such a discussion.

And in any case, explain to me how someone who allows himself to already win 4 slams at just 21 years of age, triumphing in this specific season at Roland Garros and Wimbledon, can at the same time allow himself to lose with that frequency against players clearly inferior to him.

The example of the matches with Sinner rather than validating your thesis strengthens mine, someone who beats 3 times in the season out of 3 Sinner matches and then loses to Jarry, Dimitrov, Draper, Monfils, VdZ, Machac, Humbert and Ruud, means that he exists a clear up and down problem that comes from mental solidity.
Sinner, on the other hand, is mentally very solid, and this is demonstrated by the fact that the rare matches he loses do so against players of his level or slightly below his, but against the players he has to beat he always wins.
Genius and recklessness really means being able to beat anyone but at the same time also being able to lose anyone, and I repeat that this is synonymous with a mental problem.
 

placebo

Rookie
Rublev’s backhand is holding up well here actually. Somehow it’s the forehand errors that are killing him.
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
Alcaraz's luck is that he is not at all sure that Ruud will beat Rublev.
The problem, however, is that having lost 2 sets to zero, in order to avoid risks, Alcaraz must not only win the last two matches but possibly also have to do so without losing sets.

However, with this victory Ruud overtakes Djokovic in the rankings, and if Rublev and De Minaur were to win a match, they in turn would overtake the Serbian in the rankings, taking him out of the top 8.
This means that to have one of the top 8 seeds Djokovic as scheduled he will have to secure it in a tournament preceding the Australian Open.
 

placebo

Rookie
Not only Rublev but it would have been a tough ask to break Zverev for anyone else in the group today. Rublev, however, is looking good enough to beat Ruud and Alcaraz.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Not only Rublev but it would have been a tough ask to break Zverev for anyone else in the group today. Rublev, however, is looking good enough to beat Ruud and Alcaraz.
Raz can break him but he is so much of a dunderhead that he would give breaks back

Break him 2 times, give 3 freebies. Like AO.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Zverev has opened up a gap of 700 pts vs Raz now. The way its going, by end of this year, he might be even 2000 pts ahead.
Raz apologizers need to get reality check. Slams carry way too much weight and this guy is not doing as well out side.
 
Zverev has opened up a gap of 700 pts vs Raz now. The way its going, by end of this year, he might be even 2000 pts ahead.
Raz apologizers need to get reality check. Slams carry way too much weight and this guy is not doing as well out side.
Yes, the hallmark of the Big 3 was that they were very, very consistent. Dominance requires that kind of consistency.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Faster hard-courts enables a clear game plan to have, if executed well, a good chance of success against Charlie. Not all have the tools and the quality to do so, but more than on slow ones and clay, lets see how things shape out on grass.

Lots of development and adjustments to come.
 
Charles losing to handsome is one of my favourite results this year. I like both guys but Ruud was dismissed by many and predicted to walk away with 0 sets.
 
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