ATP Finals 2024 - Turin

Who will win the 2024 ATP Finals?

  • Sinner

    Votes: 37 52.9%
  • Zverev

    Votes: 14 20.0%
  • Alcaraz

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • Medvedev

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Fritz

    Votes: 5 7.1%
  • Ruud

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • De Minaur

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Rublev

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    70

Winner Sinner

Professional
With this 2-0 victory by Medvedev against De Minaur, even if Sinner were to win this evening against Fritz even by 2-0 he would not have the mathematical certainty of being qualified, he would only have it if De Minaur would have beaten Medvedev or if Medvedev would have beat De Minaur 2-1.
Instead Fritz by winning tonight with Sinner would have the mathematical certainty of being qualified.
Obviously this is always precisely for mathematical certainty, while in theory if Sinner beats Fritz 2-0 he would not have the mathematical certainty of being qualified but the apocalypse would really have to happen to be eliminated, i.e. losing clearly in the score with Medvedev in the last day and at the same time Fritz should win 2-0 against De Minaur.

However, this morning Alcaraz stopped training after just 10 minutes due to breathing problems.
Source Sky Sport Italia it is said that uncertainty is filtering through his staff about seeing him play tomorrow, also because with qualification partially compromised they at least want to safeguard the Davis Cup finals at home and where there will also be Nadal to honor.
 

hades11

New User
With this 2-0 victory by Medvedev against De Minaur, even if Sinner were to win this evening against Fritz even by 2-0 he would not have the mathematical certainty of being qualified, he would only have it if De Minaur would have beaten Medvedev or if Medvedev would have beat De Minaur 2-1.
Instead Fritz by winning tonight with Sinner would have the mathematical certainty of being qualified.
Obviously this is always precisely for mathematical certainty, while in theory if Sinner beats Fritz 2-0 he would not have the mathematical certainty of being qualified but the apocalypse would really have to happen to be eliminated, i.e. losing clearly in the score with Medvedev in the last day and at the same time Fritz should win 2-0 against De Minaur.

However, this morning Alcaraz stopped training after just 10 minutes due to breathing problems.
Source Sky Sport Italia it is said that uncertainty is filtering through his staff about seeing him play tomorrow, also because with qualification partially compromised they at least want to safeguard the Davis Cup finals at home and where there will also be Nadal to honor.
Didn't Ferrero say he is hopeful he will play tomorrow but won't be at 100%.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
With this 2-0 victory by Medvedev against De Minaur, even if Sinner were to win this evening against Fritz even by 2-0 he would not have the mathematical certainty of being qualified, he would only have it if De Minaur would have beaten Medvedev or if Medvedev would have beat De Minaur 2-1.

Was hoping for a nice game but kudos to Daniil for making it look easy. Incredible that de Minaur won more first points than Medvedev! The Ozzie was outclassed in the other rallies...
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Why does Medvedev go to the top of his group? His games win-loss ratio is still lower than Sinner's and Fritz's?
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
Was hoping for a nice game but kudos to Daniil for making it look easy. Incredible that de Minaur won more first points than Medvedev! The Ozzie was outclassed in the other rallies...
Today I saw Medvedev at his best post-Wimbledon, and in the second set, despite being the most competitive between the two, the Russian played best.

To tell the truth, even with Fritz I wasn't displeased overall in the match, the problem is that he threw him away in the first set with those 3 consecutive double faults, and in the second set on the decisive break immediately he was also unlucky to suffer that lob winner by Fritz, but the match was much more balanced than the score indicated.

If Medvedev is the one seen today, it won't be a walk in the park for Sinner either.
Furthermore, playing without having anything to lose, I think that in the current situation, as seen today, can help the Russian.
 

Drighiz

Rookie
Definitely all still to be decided in this group! Sinner has two (hopefully four) very tough and decisive matches ahead. These are not gimmes at all.
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
A sensational fact confirms the rise of Jannik Sinner not only as a tennis champion, but as a new media phenomenon in Italian sport. His debut match at the 2024 ATP Finals against De Minaur attracted the attention of 2,270,000 spectators, surpassing one of the most anticipated matches in Serie A.
On an evening which also included the big Serie A match between Inter and Napoli, tennis dominated the television ratings:
– Sinner vs De Minaur: 2,270,000 spectators
– Inter vs Napoli: 1,718,000 spectators

Although it must be considered that the tennis match was broadcast free-to-air while the football match was only available on a pay channel, the data remains extremely significant. The difference of over 500,000 spectators highlights how Sinner has become a true national phenomenon, capable of attracting the attention of an audience that goes well beyond tennis fans.

These numbers confirm Sinner's growing popularity in Italy, where the young South Tyrolean is establishing himself as the new symbol of national sport. Its ability to attract such a large audience, surpassing even football which traditionally dominates sporting interest in our country, testifies to the extraordinary impact it is having on the Italian sporting landscape.
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
Yesterday Zverev was asked why Italy is invaded by Sinner-mania while Germany is not invaded by Zverev-mania.

He essentially replied that there is Zverev-mania in Germany too (I think it's false) adding that in any case Sinner has won two slams this year and is the best player in the world, as if to say that he has achieved greater success than for this reason it has more exposure and greater fervor in its own country.

I, however, say that regardless of all this, the substantial difference is that in Germany in the past, thinking above all of Becker but not only, they have already had some very champions in men's tennis, while here in Italy after many decades of lean there was a hunger to have a champion in tennis too.
This is the main reason, then the rest can be discussed.

Any Italian tennis player will achieve something similar to what Sinner is achieving in the future, it will be difficult for him to obtain the same empathy precisely because it would be something already seen or experienced, if you prefer.

Before Sinner we were enthusiastic about a Quinzi capable of winning junior Wimbledon, we were also enthusiastic when Cecchinato reached the semi-final at Roland Garros, or Fognini won in Monte Carlo.
All events that if they were to happen now would be normalized.
For example, had a talent like Federico Cinà emerged 5/10 years ago he would have entered the eye of the media storm, labeled as predestined.
However, the fact that he is forming in full Sinner-mania and in the midst of a boom in Italian tennis means that his development is almost totally ignored, which on the one hand is positive, so he can develop more calmly.
 
I see you have a comprehension problem.

If you are probably the greatest tennis talent the sport has had or so, then you win as much as he has won.
But his mental limitations are precisely the aspect that will not allow him to win as much as he could, exactly like those 3 I mentioned.
Everything must be done in proportion.

A player like Alcaraz cannot lose all the matches he lost in 2024 against players clearly inferior to him, the fact that it happens so often means that there is a big problem with his approach, inability to adapt to various situations, and also a difficulty in interpreting matches from a tactical point of view depending on the opponent.
All aspects that have to do with the mental sphere in the competitive environment.
Alcaraz barely loses in finals. How did Sinner do in his first masters final? not good. Alcaraz is young and has time to improve his mental stuff, which is not weak lol
 
Stellar display by Medvedev!
Yah man. Pleased for Daniil. There are peaks and troughs for all players. and he has worked hard / remained committed to try his best. Sorry that Alex couldn't win a match yet. Hopefully he can nevertheless take positives from playing in the YE finals.
I need Granollers/Zeballos to win at least one set today.
Heh, heh. You got your wish man.
 

Musterrific

Hall of Fame
Yesterday Zverev was asked why Italy is invaded by Sinner-mania while Germany is not invaded by Zverev-mania.

He essentially replied that there is Zverev-mania in Germany too (I think it's false) adding that in any case Sinner has won two slams this year and is the best player in the world, as if to say that he has achieved greater success than for this reason it has more exposure and greater fervor in its own country.

I, however, say that regardless of all this, the substantial difference is that in Germany in the past, thinking above all of Becker but not only, they have already had some very champions in men's tennis, while here in Italy after many decades of lean there was a hunger to have a champion in tennis too.
This is the main reason, then the rest can be discussed.

Any Italian tennis player will achieve something similar to what Sinner is achieving in the future, it will be difficult for him to obtain the same empathy precisely because it would be something already seen or experienced, if you prefer.

Before Sinner we were enthusiastic about a Quinzi capable of winning junior Wimbledon, we were also enthusiastic when Cecchinato reached the semi-final at Roland Garros, or Fognini won in Monte Carlo.
All events that if they were to happen now would be normalized.
For example, had a talent like Federico Cinà emerged 5/10 years ago he would have entered the eye of the media storm, labeled as predestined.
However, the fact that he is forming in full Sinner-mania and in the midst of a boom in Italian tennis means that his development is almost totally ignored, which on the one hand is positive, so he can develop more calmly.
The harsh truth is that there is no Zverev-mania in Germany because a player of ethnic Russian background, even though born in Germany, is simply never going to generate the same enthusiasm that a native player would.
 

Winner Sinner

Professional
Alcaraz barely loses in finals. How did Sinner do in his first masters final? not good. Alcaraz is young and has time to improve his mental stuff, which is not weak lol
But do you realize that you are giving an example where Sinner lost in the final against the then world number 1 and dominator of the circuit in 2023?

Do you realize that to trace Sinner's defeat against a player SIGNIFICANTLY inferior to him you have to go back to the 2023 Cincinnati tournament?

Do you realize how often Alcaraz this year (while riding an 8-1 record with the top 5) has lost to players he should never lose to in normal situations?

You realize that Zverev is rightly defined as mentally weak despite the fact that he himself boasts a curriculum of absolute depth, scalping practically all the great players he faced.
Yet Zverev does not come close to matching Alcaraz's technical and athletic talent.

Do you realize that a Federer in comparison with Djokodal despite boasting 54 big titles in his career is defined as mentally weak in their sight because according to the majority of commentators, enthusiasts and professionals he could have won more than them?

In general, do you realize that it is not normal for a player of Alcaraz's talent to lose within a season against Jarry, Draper, Monfils, VdZ, Machac, Humbert and a Ruud who recently wasn't winning games even by praying?

Ask yourself why all these unexpected defeats for a player of his talent and status and then instead of being ironic about other people's opinions, give yourself the answer.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
The harsh truth is that there is no Zverev-mania in Germany because a player of ethnic Russian background, even though born in Germany, is simply never going to generate the same enthusiasm that a native player would.
The same sort of "ethnic enthusiasm gap" might have plagued Sinner in Italy, but apparently has not.
 

Succession

Semi-Pro
Fritz is playing Sinner very tough. I think that Sinner might regret missing out on his triple break opportunity.
I actually don't think so. He will break in the crucial moment, or rock the breaker.
These screenplays have been written for Sinner. Very frustrating hehe.
 

Succession

Semi-Pro
He is a new Nole and all the 90ies guys crumble just the same as they did against Nole in big moments.
It so desperately needs Raz to challenge Sinner, otherwise we have the same scenario as in the last years when it was Nole against the 90ies. Tiring.
 

Succession

Semi-Pro
Wow. Sinner closed the deal during the very next service game. Sinner bags the first set.

Fritz will need to zone on his first serves to have a chance. He's only winning 27% of his 2nd service points.

Sinner is a monster. You need to redline against him to have a chance.
It just needs one dip in a random service game towards the end of the set and Fritz will hand that to Sinner 100%.
Not even a competition. We have seen how this plays out countless times during the last 15 years with King Nole.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Fritz is playing well so far but the gap to Sinner is quite visible.

Very hard to win enough second service points against Jannik, still with guys like Fritz a single break may be enough to steal a set.
 

Succession

Semi-Pro
Lol. Sinner and his ear. So cringe. Is this a first timer?
His fistpumping and racquet tilting is hard to bear, both massively out of character, but we entered a new era it seems.
 
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