ATP Finals in last 21 years

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This year we are getting very good top 8 for ATP finals. All of these players have won something on indoors. There have been some years where the top players were not good on indoors but not this year. So we will review year over year strength.

2003 : Average Elo Rating 2188.
Roddick, Ferrero, Federer, Coria, Agassi, Schuttler, Moya, Nalbandian
Pretty strong field. Except Moya everyone won an indoors title.
Federer Agassi and Nalbandian are ATP finals champions.

2004 : Average Elo Rating 2203.
Federer Gaudio Hewitt Moya Roddick Henman Safin Coria
Average Field. Moya and Gaudio won no indoors title.
Federer Hewitt became ATP finals champion.

2005 Average Elo Rating 2170.
Federer Nalbandian Ljubicic Coria Daveydenko Agassi Puerta Gonzalez
Pretty weak field. Puerta Coria total clay courters. Nadal who won Madrid skipped the tournament. No Roddick either.
Federer Nalbandian Agassi (this is very old Agassi) and Daveydenko are ATP finals winners.

2006 Average Elo Rating 2231.
Federer Nalbandian Roddick Ljubicic Daveydenko Robredo Blake Nadal
Good field. Everyone won at least a title indoors.
Federer Nalbandian Daveydenko won ATP finals.

2007 Average Elo Rating 2240.
Federer Gasquet Ferrer Nadal Djokovic Daveydenko Roddick Gonzalez
Good field. All won indoors title.
Federer Daveydenko and Djokovic won ATP finals.

2008 Average Elo Rating 2204.
Djokovic Delpo Daveydenko Tsonga Simon Federer Murray Stepanek
Good Field. Nalbandian Roddick Nadal all gone. But Djokovic and Murray are added.
Federer Djokovic Daveydenko and Murray won ATP finals.

2009 Average Elo Rating 2310.
Federer Verdasco Delpo Murray Djokovic Soderling Nadal Daveydenko
Very strong field. Weakest link is Verdasco.
Federer Murray Djokovic and Davydenko ATP finals winners.

2010 Average Elo Rating 2276.
Federer Ferrer Murray Nadal Djokovic Soderling Berdych Roddick
Return of Roddick.
Very strong field. All heavyweights on indoors.
Federer Murray Djokovic won ATP finals

2011 Average Elo Rating 2303
Federer Nadal Djokovic Murray Tisparevic Berdych Tsonga Delpo
Good field. Tisparevic is weak link after 2009/2010.
Federer Murray Djokovic won ATP finals.

2012 Average Elo Rating 2329
Murray Berdych Djokovic Tsonga Berdych Tisparevic Federer Ferrer.
Very Strong field.
Federer Murray Djokovic won ATP finals.

2013 Average Elo Rating 2336.
Nadal Wawrinka Berdych Ferrer Djokovic Delpo Federer Gasquet
Very Strong field. All won indoors titles.
Federer Djokovic only won ATP finals.

2014 Average Elo Rating 2296
Djokovic Wawrinka Berdych Cilic Nishikori Federer Murray Raonic
Good field. All won indoors titles.
Djokovic Federer Murray won ATP finals.

2015 Average Elo Rating 2365
Djokovic Nishikori Federer Berdych Nadal Wawrinka Murray Ferrer
Pretty good field. All won indoors titles.
Djokovic Federer Murray won ATP finals.

2016 Average Elo Rating 2291
Raonic Monfils Thiem Djokovic Murray Goffin Wawrinka Cilic
Weak field. All won indoors titles.
Djokovic Murray won ATP finals.

2017 Average Elo Rating 2211
Goffin Nadal Sock Cilic Zverev Federer Dimitrov PCB
Very weak field.
Dimitrov Zverev Federer (SKIPPED Due to injury) won ATP finals.

2018 Average Elo Rating 2234
Djokovic Federer Zverev Isner Anderson Cilic Thiem Nishikori
Good field.
Djokovic Federer Zverev won ATP finals.

2019 Average Elo Rating 2269.
Berrettini Thiem Federer Djokovic Tsitsipas Zverev Medvedev Nadal
Good field.
Federer Djokovic Tsitsipas Medvedev Zverev won ATP finals

2020 Average Elo Rating 2255
Tsitsipas Zverev Rublev Thiem Nadal Schwartzman Medvedev Djokovic
Good field except Schwartzman. Federer gone though.
Djokovic Tsitsipas Medvedev Zverev won ATP finals.

2021 Average Elo Rating 2200
Djokovic Norrie Rublev Ruud Hurkacz Zverev Berretini Medvedev
Bad field. There are clay court players like Ruud. Bad players like Norrie
Djokovic Tsitsipas Medvedev Zverev won ATP finals

2022 Average Elo Rating 2218.
Rublev Tsitsipas Nadal Djokovic Fritz Ruud FAA Medvedev
Okay Field. Fritz Ruud FAA don't belong to the list. Zverev missing.
Djokovic Tsitsipas Medvedev won ATP finals

2023 Average Elo Rating 2205
Djokovic Alcaraz Medvedev Sinner Rublev Tsitsipas Zverev Rune.
Pretty stacked field since probably 2015.
Djokovic Tsitsipas Medvedev Zverev all won ATP finals. Alcaraz DEBUT.
 
I think if Rune is 100 % healthy,,, this is one of the most exciting top 8 to make the YEF in a long time. and it will be even more exciting if Alcarez can play about 90 % of what he's capable of playing or better.... but not sure if he will or he can with his injury..:(
 
Nostradamus said:
I think if Rune is 100 % healthy,,, this is one of the most exciting top 8 to make the YEF in a long time. and it will be even more exciting if Alcarez can play about 90 % of what he's capable of playing or better.... but not sure if he will or he can with his injury..:(
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Let's see it would be 2/3 weeks rest for Alcaraz. Rune is getting better every tournament post Beijing.
 
dking68 said:
Let’s see if that will change
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It won't change because Sinner is still hitting straight ahead power and still can't create angles . and Novak loves that cause he can handle power better than anyone. Only way to get novak to make an error is to run him out wide with angles and hit big into the open court. but if you can't creat the angles necessary then ,, you can't deploy this tactic.:-D:rolleyes:
 
nachiket nolefam said:
2006 Average Elo Rating 2231.
Federer Nalbandian Roddick Ljubicic Daveydenko Robredo Blake Nadal
Good field. Everyone won at least a title indoors.
Federer Nalbandian Daveydenko won ATP finals.

2007 Average Elo Rating 2240.
Federer Gasquet Ferrer Nadal Djokovic Daveydenko Roddick Gonzalez
Good field. All won indoors title.
Federer Daveydenko and Djokovic won ATP finals.

2008 Average Elo Rating 2204.
Djokovic Delpo Daveydenko Tsonga Simon Federer Murray Stepanek
Good Field. Nalbandian Roddick Nadal all gone. But Djokovic and Murray are added.
Federer Djokovic Daveydenko and Murray won ATP finals.

2009 Average Elo Rating 2310.
Federer Verdasco Delpo Murray Djokovic Soderling Nadal Daveydenko
Very strong field. Weakest link is Verdasco.
Federer Murray Djokovic and Davydenko ATP finals winners.

2010 Average Elo Rating 2276.
Federer Ferrer Murray Nadal Djokovic Soderling Berdych Roddick
Return of Roddick.
Very strong field. All heavyweights on indoors.
Federer Murray Djokovic won ATP finals

2011 Average Elo Rating 2303
Federer Nadal Djokovic Murray Tisparevic Berdych Tsonga Delpo
Good field. Tisparevic is weak link after 2009/2010.
Federer Murray Djokovic won ATP finals.

2012 Average Elo Rating 2329
Murray Berdych Djokovic Tsonga Berdych Tisparevic Federer Ferrer.
Very Strong field.
Federer Murray Djokovic won ATP finals.

2013 Average Elo Rating 2336.
Nadal Wawrinka Berdych Ferrer Djokovic Delpo Federer Gasquet
Very Strong field. All won indoors titles.
Federer Djokovic only won ATP finals.

2014 Average Elo Rating 2296
Djokovic Wawrinka Berdych Cilic Nishikori Federer Murray Raonic
Good field. All won indoors titles.
Djokovic Federer Murray won ATP finals.

2015 Average Elo Rating 2365
Djokovic Nishikori Federer Berdych Nadal Wawrinka Murray Ferrer
Pretty good field. All won indoors titles.
Djokovic Federer Murray won ATP finals.

2016 Average Elo Rating 2291
Raonic Monfils Thiem Djokovic Murray Goffin Wawrinka Cilic
Weak field. All won indoors titles.
Djokovic Murray won ATP finals.
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I liked your rundown. But help me out . . .

Irrespective of relevancy of ELO to tennis, you deem fields "good" at 2204, 2231, 2240 ( '08, '06,'07, respectively). At a 2276 you give '10 a "very strong" endorsement. But 2016, with an ELO superior to '10, at 2291, gets a "weak field" from you. WTF?

Or ELO on NO LO. If you are going "advanced metrics" be consistent.
 
Adjusting for indoor-specific ability, it’s an ok field. Not stacked. Zverev fwiw is very underrated indoors, his service #’s in his best indoor runs have been insane and the lack of elements really really benefit him. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him make the Final 4.
 
Drob said:
I liked your rundown. But help me out . . .

Irrespective of relevancy of ELO to tennis, you deem fields "good" at 2204, 2231, 2240 ( '08, '06,'07, respectively). At a 2276 you give '10 a "very strong" endorsement. But 2016, with an ELO superior to '10, at 2291, gets a "weak field" from you. WTF?

Or ELO on NO LO. If you are going "advanced metrics" be consistent.
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2250 good
2275 strong
2300 very strong
2325 crazy
2350 insane
2375 possible?
2400 Never
 
2015 highest Average Elo Rating 2365

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Drob said:
I liked your rundown. But help me out . . .

Irrespective of relevancy of ELO to tennis, you deem fields "good" at 2204, 2231, 2240 ( '08, '06,'07, respectively). At a 2276 you give '10 a "very strong" endorsement. But 2016, with an ELO superior to '10, at 2291, gets a "weak field" from you. WTF?

Or ELO on NO LO. If you are going "advanced metrics" be consistent.
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True. I mean sometimes players could have higher elo because 1 guy dominated eg. 2015 had highest elo but i don't think it was highest ever competition. And sometimes higher elo player could get injured, like 2017 Nadal who was number 1 and played 1 match bringing elo to high rank. But going by strictly elo is another way,
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
No, Elo in itself is a flawed and useless thing, pal.
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Elo is useful and better than ranking to predict match outcome, and great in addressing era bias, understand?
BTW, Elo is powerful for Rafa to debate against Fed (compare to Fed, Rafa has fewer wins against top5/10, but more wins against very high Elo opponents), pal.
 
Neptune said:
Elo is useful and better than ranking to predict match outcome, and great in addressing era bias, understand?
BTW, Elo is powerful for Rafa to debate against Fed (compare to Fed, Rafa has fewer wins against top5/10, but more wins against very high Elo opponents), pal.
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I'm a Rafa fan, not his cult worshipper like many Djokovic fans are for Djokovic.

I don't need baseless and made-up stuff like Elo to root for Rafa or to believe he is the best.
 
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