ATP futures / challengers - former college players / other young americans

mikej

Hall of Fame
fritz through to the finals tomorrow, where he'll play for a ticket to the aussie
either him or rubin now
he would also move up to about 160 in the world with a win
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
Henrik Wiersholm put a beatdown on Evan King, 0 & 0. There's probably at least a 1,000 spots ranking difference between the two. Its Wiersholm 2nd double bagel in a row. He's in the semis, plays Shapolov from Canada next, a jr who came thru qualies.

Edit: I was wrong. King is ranked 417, Wiersholm isnt even ranked.
 

onehandbh

Legend
Fritz has a monstrous serve and forehand. Probably the biggest of the bunch. If he can get his first serve percentage up a little more he could crack the top 10.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
seems like a stupid setup, basically Rubin may get WC because he treed out for a week and won a tournament yet could not get out of 1st round of the other 2, I would prefer consistency over flash in the pan results. Tommy Paul is same as Rubin, did nothing except 1 tournament.
If you encourage players to play five weeks in a row to accumulate points, you are encouraging them to break down their bodies. Current setup seems sensible.
 

MC86

Rookie
Wiersholm into the final in Florida. Gotta think he will be a fixture in the Virginia lineup this Spring...
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
laaksonen wins in 3, so rubin is headed to australia
paul must be kicking himself for not finishing out that final vs rubin...he would be heading to the aussie if he had, but so it goes
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
Maybe he ends up at UGA?
He's already turned pro and signed endorsement contracts. Plus, he's ranked around 250, has won two Futures, won a jr GS and made another jr GS final. He's met all of the guidelines to turn pro, so he did. He doesnt need college tennis.

On another note, looks like Nike outbid Fila and signed Fritz.
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
laaksonen wins in 3, so rubin is headed to australia
paul must be kicking himself for not finishing out that final vs rubin...he would be heading to the aussie if he had, but so it goes
He still might be headed down under for qualies. He qualied for the US Open so its not like he couldn't make MD.that way. His ranking might be a little low for DA to qualies but there are always a few withdrawals. There also might be a qualies WC up for grabs for the runner up to Rubin. But, Fritz and Tiafoe are already DA for qualies so it would go to the next player, who I think is Paul.
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
So, Wiersholm comes thru qualies and wins the whole thing, USA F33. Beat Rybakov in 3 sets. Great week for him. Still shocked at the double bagel he fed Evan King tho. As far as I know, this was the first time he'd even won a MD match in a Futures.
 

andfor

Legend
So, Wiersholm comes thru qualies and wins the whole thing, USA F33. Beat Rybakov in 3 sets. Great week for him. Still shocked at the double bagel he fed Evan King tho. As far as I know, this was the first time he'd even won a MD match in a Futures.
Where do folks think he'll be in the line up come January? 3 or 4 now?
 

atatu

Legend
I'm thinking about sneaking up to Waco to watch this week's Future's, maybe see Kozlov play, anyone know if they are playing indoors or outdoors ? The ITF site lists both of the Baylor facilities, so I'm assuming it's outdoors unless it rains ?
 
Where do folks think he'll be in the line up come January? 3 or 4 now?
There is no chance he plays ahead of Shane, TSK or Altamarino. He will be battling for 4,5,6 spot with Ritschard, Styslinger and Aragon. I guess you would have to give him the 4 spot if he can maintain that level.
 

andfor

Legend
I'm thinking about sneaking up to Waco to watch this week's Future's, maybe see Kozlov play, anyone know if they are playing indoors or outdoors ? The ITF site lists both of the Baylor facilities, so I'm assuming it's outdoors unless it rains ?
From what I recall its indoors. Check out the ITF website or Baylor's athletic website to be for sure.
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
I'm thinking about sneaking up to Waco to watch this week's Future's, maybe see Kozlov play, anyone know if they are playing indoors or outdoors ? The ITF site lists both of the Baylor facilities, so I'm assuming it's outdoors unless it rains ?
It will be inside only actually!:) I went yesterday and plan on going today! Really really awesome stuff
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
Saw Kozlov play today in doubles....funny and nice kid, but didn't try at all in doubles from what it looked like. Spun serves in, barely hit the ball half the time. Kinda interesting.
 

tennis_tater

Semi-Pro
I don't think he is going the college route. But Norrie from TCU was just frustrating him so much and kozzie was letting it get under his skin
I thought Kozlov already declared/pro and signed a contract and that college route is not even up for discussion??? That said, Kozlov's results in the past year haven't been all that impressive. I think he has the game that can frustrate anyone on a given day, but b/c of his size and style, he can also be beaten by anyone on any given day. Looking at his results the past two years, even when he is having success in tournaments, seems like every single match is going full three sets. Just seems like he rarely wins easy, when he is winning.
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
I was kidding about him going to tcu. My point was i think Kozlov has made a mistake not going the college route.
Oh my bad! But yeah I think the college route would of been better for him. Compared to some of the other young Americans, he hasn't been performing up to expectations.
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
I thought Kozlov already declared/pro and signed a contract and that college route is not even up for discussion??? That said, Kozlov's results in the past year haven't been all that impressive. I think he has the game that can frustrate anyone on a given day, but b/c of his size and style, he can also be beaten by anyone on any given day. Looking at his results the past two years, even when he is having success in tournaments, seems like every single match is going full three sets. Just seems like he rarely wins easy, when he is winning.
Sorry I couldnt remember if he already decided on pro or not! Thanks for the correction :) but yeah it hasn't really been all that amazing to be honest. I really was hoping for more from him. He is still young, so hopefully things will improve for him
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
but yeah it hasn't really been all that amazing to be honest. I really was hoping for more from him. He is still young, so hopefully things will improve for him
yeah, he's just 17, and he actually had a nice run for a few weeks toward the end of this year
Belarus F3 - finals
Belarus F4 - winner
Cville CH - through qualies to the quarters
Knoxville CH - took down top 100 jaziri (even though he had a bad few weeks)

he might have run out of steam the past two weeks, but still an encouraging finish to the year

i expect him to make it into the top 250 by the end of next year, then be a major factor on the challenger tour by the time he's 19
not the same explosive rise of tiafoe / paul / fritz perhaps, but i expect him to keep plugging away and steadily rise up the ranks
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
yeah, he's just 17, and he actually had a nice run for a few weeks toward the end of this year
Belarus F3 - finals
Belarus F4 - winner
Cville CH - through qualies to the quarters
Knoxville CH - took down top 100 jaziri (even though he had a bad few weeks)

he might have run out of steam the past two weeks, but still an encouraging finish to the year

i expect him to make it into the top 250 by the end of next year, then be a major factor on the challenger tour by the time he's 19
not the same explosive rise of tiafoe / paul / fritz perhaps, but i expect him to keep plugging away and steadily rise up the ranks
That's what I'm expecting. As he gets older, he has the game that'll improve and help him play higher levels
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
yeah, he's just 17, and he actually had a nice run for a few weeks toward the end of this year
Belarus F3 - finals
Belarus F4 - winner
Cville CH - through qualies to the quarters
Knoxville CH - took down top 100 jaziri (even though he had a bad few weeks)

he might have run out of steam the past two weeks, but still an encouraging finish to the year

i expect him to make it into the top 250 by the end of next year, then be a major factor on the challenger tour by the time he's 19
not the same explosive rise of tiafoe / paul / fritz perhaps, but i expect him to keep plugging away and steadily rise up the ranks
That's what I'm expecting. As he gets older, he has the game that'll improve and help him play higher levels
 

tennis_tater

Semi-Pro
yeah, he's just 17, and he actually had a nice run for a few weeks toward the end of this year
Belarus F3 - finals
Belarus F4 - winner
Cville CH - through qualies to the quarters
Knoxville CH - took down top 100 jaziri (even though he had a bad few weeks)

he might have run out of steam the past two weeks, but still an encouraging finish to the year

i expect him to make it into the top 250 by the end of next year, then be a major factor on the challenger tour by the time he's 19
not the same explosive rise of tiafoe / paul / fritz perhaps, but i expect him to keep plugging away and steadily rise up the ranks
Yes, he had some success in some futures in Europe, where he went to regain his confidence after not having a successful late spring/summer here in the states.

And yes, he did ok in the C'ville, but he lost to Rubin and although he took at top 100 Jaziri in Knoxville (who, as you said in your post had been struggling), Kozlov then checked out in the 2nd round to another former college player.

Yes, the kid is still young and has much time to improve. However, as I said before, he seems to be the type of player who can beat anyone on a given day (i.e., Jaziri) and then turn around and lose to anyone (i.e., Novikov/Norrie).
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
And yes, he did ok in the C'ville, but he lost to Rubin
...as I said before, he seems to be the type of player who can beat anyone on a given day (i.e., Jaziri) and then turn around and lose to anyone (i.e., Novikov/Norrie).
1) winning five matches to get through challenger qualies to the quarters, before losing to the guy who won it, is better than "ok" in my book, but we can disagree on that
2) losing to norrie may qualify as losing to "anyone" - losing to world #133 novikov does not

anyway, time will tell
 

andfor

Legend
Given the average age of the top 100 ATP pro is something like 27 or 28 it's far from unusual to see a 17 year old kid lose a few matches on paper he should win. He has more of a grinder type games so his rise in the rankings will most likely be slower than someone like Donaldson and Tiafoe who have big weapons. Kozlov's been winning matches on the Futures level since around age 14, won a Futures singles at age 17 along with a Challenger doubles title. He's close to 6 ft. tall and an exceptional mover. I love how the armchair tennis coaches second guess his decision to turn pro. Although time will tell, I'm betting on him now.
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
Given the average age of the top 100 ATP pro is something like 27 or 28 it's far from unusual to see a 17 year old kid lose a few matches on paper he should win. He has more of a grinder type games so his rise in the rankings will most likely be slower than someone like Donaldson and Tiafoe who have big weapons. Kozlov's been winning matches on the Futures level since around age 14, won a Futures singles at age 17 along with a Challenger doubles title. He's close to 6 ft. tall and an exceptional mover. I love how the armchair tennis coaches second guess his decision to turn pro. Although time will tell, I'm betting on him now.
I wouldn't say I am an armchain tennis coach second guessing him.. I'm just a big supporter of the college then to pros route. I think it's very helpful. Just my two cents. Beside, the only coaching I do is on the courts, not from the couch ;)
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
I wouldn't say I am an armchain tennis coach second guessing him.. I'm just a big supporter of the college then to pros route. I think it's very helpful. Just my two cents. Beside, the only coaching I do is on the courts, not from the couch ;)
I love the college route, but based on Kozlov's age, he would not be a college freshman until next fall, right? The big question on turning pro is how good you would be on the pro tour by January of your freshman year, when the college matches get serious. We have to wait a year to answer that question for Kozlov.
 

GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
Virginia Cavalier Ryan Shane (21 years, atp #904) takes out #1 seed Swiss Laaksonen (23 years, atp #200) at F35 Tallahassee futures. Quite the rankings difference there.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Virginia Cavalier Ryan Shane (21 years, atp #904) takes out #1 seed Swiss Laaksonen (23 years, atp #200) at F35 Tallahassee futures. Quite the rankings difference there.
impressive. saw ryan win the costa mesa futures this summer. huge ball striker. when he's on, he has the ability to take out anyone.
 

atatu

Legend
Lloyd Glasspool (UT) picks up second futures title since July. Will be top 500 by the end of this year now
Where was that ? Hopefully Soren can recover from his injuries soon and get back out there with Glasspool.
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
Virginia Cavalier Ryan Shane (21 years, atp #904) takes out #1 seed Swiss Laaksonen (23 years, atp #200) at F35 Tallahassee futures. Quite the rankings difference there.
Almost as a big a difference as Wiersholm, unranked, taking out Evan King, 400+. Wiersholm did hand out two bagels in his win tho, pretty unbelievable.
 

andfor

Legend
Almost as a big a difference as Wiersholm, unranked, taking out Evan King, 400+. Wiersholm did hand out two bagels in his win tho, pretty unbelievable.
While there's no doubt Shane is more than capable of taking Laaksonen out any time, that guy had been on a tear the last month or so here in the states going deep in most all the challengers and futures he played. Fatigue may well have been a factor.
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
Kozlov crushed 1 seed Sandgren and advances to the finals against Bester, who beat Clay Thompson in the other semi.
Heard Sandgren tanked cause he found out he made the cut off for the AO qualies. He lost 2nd rd of AO qualies, so he made about 5,500. Plus he got to play in a slam qualies
 

andfor

Legend
Memphis alums O'Hare and Salisbury win another Futures title. Got to be trending to top 200 doubles ranking soon.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
rubin gets benoit paire in rd 1 - don't think he has the firepower off the ground to do much in that one

fritz gets sock in rd 1 after coming through qualifying - will be interesting to see how sock has recovered from the "flu-like" stuff that made him retire in the finals of the lead-up tournie
 
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