ATP has formed a task force against abuse of abuse perpetrated by athletes

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Yes, I am sure ATP are monitoring social media response to Zod and seeing even their own tweets have a ton of anti Zod tweets referencing DV. That can only harm the sport.
 
I keep trying to tell you, if you care at all about the future of tennis in the public eye you should root against Zverev.

I see a lot of potential outcomes with him as the new face of tennis after the Big 3 and almost none of them are good, some bordering on disastrous.
 
tennis tom said:
If u don't see what's wrong with your view u are clueless on how the justice system works--scrue the media.
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My view is 100% removed from any justice system proceedings though. The story is out there and will mar Zverev the rest of his life. Whether this is true or fair is almost completely immaterial — which is my view, and imo, the correct and realistic one.
 
Kralingen said:
My view is 100% removed from any justice system proceedings though. The story is out there and will mar Zverev the rest of his life. Whether this is true or fair is almost completely immaterial — which is my view, and imo, the correct and realistic one.
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Not to me, I consider due process to be very important as a principle. Condemning people and ruining their reputation (in some cases livelihood) based on a flimsy accusation made in social media is not something I'll ever condone.

I care much less about tennis reputation in comparison. Zverev winning a few slams would be just a drop in the ocean of tennis history.
 
Kralingen said:
My view is 100% removed from any justice system proceedings though. The story is out there and will mar Zverev the rest of his life.
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Not particularly familiar with Zverev story. A story that will mar him for the rest of his life? Have never really heard it. Vaguely recall allegations from a disgruntled ex. But we are not particularly interested in researching and spreading gossip. We do know that Zverev is now beloved in Germany for winning Olympic Gold. That much is true.

Kralingen said:
Whether this is true or fair is almost completely immaterial — which is my view, and imo, the correct and realistic one.
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Do you work for CNN?
 
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zagor said:
Not to me, I consider due process to be very important as a principle. Condemning people and ruining their reputation (in some cases livelihood) based on a flimsy accusation made in social media is not something I'll ever condone.
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Raul_SJ said:
What Zverev story? Have never really heard it. Vaguely recall allegations from a disgruntled ex. But we are not particularly interested in researching and spreading gossip. We do know that Zverev is now beloved in Germany for winning Olympic Gold. That much is true.



Do you work for CNN?
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There’s no need to be so hard headed about what I’m saying. Do you remember Kobe Bryant and all the fallout from that? His reputation was horribly damaged for a long time along with the NBA’s.

Do you seriously need me to explain why ATP tweets about Zverev being constantly bombarded with the accusation story is a bad thing? Or when it’s covered on mainstream media outlets?

it may not be something you and others condone personally, and genuinely neither do I, but that’s not the point I’m making. Zverev’s DV accusations are ugly and for him to be the face of the sport is going to lead to thinkpiece after thinkpiece and probably even boycotts and sponsorship losses eventually.

I’m not making this up - I’m using real-life experience from similar situations.
 
Kralingen said:
My view is 100% removed from any justice system proceedings though. The story is out there and will mar Zverev the rest of his life. Whether this is true or fair is almost completely immaterial — which is my view, and imo, the correct and realistic one.
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Do most tennis fans even care? Of course the social justice warriors will judge him regardless if innocent or not. To me they are irrelevant people.
 
I understood it perfectly well. I can't see this new task force as being injurious to players' rights. Nor will it affect Zverev even if prompted by that situation.

NoleIsBoat said:
As usual, you misunderstand or misrepresent my position because you either can’t read, or you’re a lousy troll (I suspect the latter). Bore off.
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Bartelby said:
I understood it perfectly well. I can't see these new proposals as being injurious to players' right. Nor will it affect Zverev even if prompted by that situation.
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You understood nothing. Tip: read the quote I was replying to. Serious tennis fans and normal people won’t care about false allegations if that’s how it turns out.
 
I'm sure lots of serious fans and normal people can differ with your opinion. In any event, the problem being addressed is abuse at all levels. The Zverev issue is not a live issue unless you have other information?

NoleIsBoat said:
You understood nothing. Tip: read the quote I was replying to. Serious tennis fans and normal people won’t care about false allegations if that’s how it turns out.
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Zverev has simply lacked the continued results prior to age 24 that seems him having an ATG career. Carry on now and look towards the growth of Tsitsipas and Shapovalov, the next ATGs.
 
NoleIsBoat said:
Do most tennis fans even care? Of course the social justice warriors will judge him regardless if innocent or not. To me they are irrelevant people.
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It's not really about "social justice warriors" or even tennis fans. It's about investors like BlackRock (prolly the biggest investment corp in the world) that force companies/institutions they're invested into to contribute to society in a positive way to acquire their support. So Zverev either needs to make sure his image is squeaky clean and/or the ATP needs to.
 
Zetty said:
It's not really about "social justice warriors" or even tennis fans. It's about investors like BlackRock (prolly the biggest investment corp in the world) that force companies/institutions they're invested into to contribute to society in a positive way to acquire their support. So Zverev either needs to make sure his image is squeaky clean and/or the ATP needs to.
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It's sad under capitalism that justice is just another business strategy
 
Most of the Western corporate elite has Cayman bank accounts, but nice try making out celebs and dictators are joined at the hip.

Bhagi Katbamna said:
Just remember the next time some celeb is asking you for money for Africa, most of it probably ends up in the Caymen bank account of the dictator running that particular country.
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Is it a task force or a committee? I like committees, but I like task forces less. Still, one must admire the strength of their conviction.
 
The whole world runs via committee meetings. Tech gives them fancy names and says virtual ones are better. But it's the way of government and business!

That's why we don't like them and some even mistakenly see them as foreign.
 
Glad the ATP is finally doing something after sticking their head in the sand for the past year over these vile allegations. Zverev keeps threatening Rothenburg from releasing part 2 of the allegations. She already gave corroborating witnesses and the accusations implicate the ATP as Olya said the ATP doctor had to save her after she tried to commit suicide following Zverev being “allegedly” physically abusive to her.
 
Raul_SJ said:
Not particularly familiar with Zverev story. A story that will mar him for the rest of his life? Have never really heard it. Vaguely recall allegations from a disgruntled ex. But we are not particularly interested in researching and spreading gossip. We do know that Zverev is now beloved in Germany for winning Olympic Gold. That much is true.



Do you work for CNN?
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You’re not familiar with the story yet you call her a Disgruntled ex? How disgusting of you. She alleged and provided corroborated witnesses. You’re belittling of her when you yourself admit you don’t know what happened? Do better.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
You’re not familiar with the story yet you call her a Disgruntled ex? How disgusting of you. She alleged and provided corroborated witnesses. You’re belittling of her when you yourself admit you don’t know what happened? Do better.
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Please stop trying to slander Zverev’s name. Do better!
 
Raul_SJ said:
The NYC police take these "strangling" allegations very seriously. But nothing has come of it. Zed has vehemently denied it. It is time to move on.

Our Trump was accused by 19 women weeks before the election. The American public did not find the allegations to be credible and he won by an electoral landslide.

Celebs are often the target of false vicious allegations.

Alexander Zverev said he was “still smiling” at a “great” time in his life after losing in the Paris Masters final to Daniil Medvedev on Monday morning (AEDT), following domestic assault allegations from his ex-girlfriend.​
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The world No. 7 insisted last week in a social media post that claims made by Olga Sharypova that he tried to “strangle” her while at last year’s US Open were “unfounded” and made him “very sad”.​
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In the same post he responded to news another ex-girlfriend was pregnant with their child, model Brenda Patea revealing she doesn’t have “any communication” with Zverev and isn’t planning to share custody of her child with the German.​
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“I know that right now there are a lot of people who will be trying to wipe a smile off my face, but I’m still smiling under this mask,” said Zverev.​
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“Everything’s great on the court and off the court. Everything is great in my life, I’m going to be a father soon …“Those who are trying (to wipe a smile off his face) can keep trying but I’m still smiling, you just can’t see under the mask.”​
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Zverev said earlier this week for a second time that the accusations by Sharypova were “untrue”.​
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“I’m enjoying my time on court. I have said everything. They are not true, and there is nothing more I can say right now,” he said on Thursday.​
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Sharypova did not initially name Zverev in her Instagram post about the alleged abuse, but later confirmed to Russian media that she was referring to her fellow 23-year-old.​
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Sharypova claimed also that her head was hit against a wall and that she was forced to flee a hotel barefoot.​
Zverev appeared to try and play down his comments in his post-match press conference.​
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“For a professional athlete there are always going to be people who try to wipe the smile off your face,” he said. “So they can keep trying. I’m still smiling.”​
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Do you apologise for calling her a disgruntled ex? That is immensely slanderous and you said you weren’t familiar with the story. Now you seem to be so I hope you’ll apologise for that vile comment.
 
Raul_SJ said:
No, because Zed has categorically denied that it happened. Untrue he says. So according to Zed himself she is a disgruntled ex.
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So you believe Zverev at his word but not Olya at her word? Is that because you hate women? He also never used the words disgruntled ex, that was you being vile and slanderous. You should apologise. You know nothing.
 
Raul_SJ said:
Zed states it never happened. What else would she be if it never happened? A liar? Insane?
Disgruntled ex is being kind.
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Zverev says it didn’t happen
Olya says it did happen

Yet you are believing one person instead of being impartial? Isn’t that what you accused me of doing? You’re saying Zverev saying it never happened means we know it never happened. That’s just not true.
 
Raul_SJ said:
The NYC police take these "strangling" allegations very seriously. But nothing has come of it. Zed has vehemently denied it. It is time to move on.

Our Trump was accused by 19 women weeks before the election. The American public did not find the allegations to be credible and he won by an electoral landslide.

Celebs are often the target of false vicious allegations.

Alexander Zverev said he was “still smiling” at a “great” time in his life after losing in the Paris Masters final to Daniil Medvedev on Monday morning (AEDT), following domestic assault allegations from his ex-girlfriend.​
​
The world No. 7 insisted last week in a social media post that claims made by Olga Sharypova that he tried to “strangle” her while at last year’s US Open were “unfounded” and made him “very sad”.​
​
In the same post he responded to news another ex-girlfriend was pregnant with their child, model Brenda Patea revealing she doesn’t have “any communication” with Zverev and isn’t planning to share custody of her child with the German.​
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“I know that right now there are a lot of people who will be trying to wipe a smile off my face, but I’m still smiling under this mask,” said Zverev.​
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“Everything’s great on the court and off the court. Everything is great in my life, I’m going to be a father soon …“Those who are trying (to wipe a smile off his face) can keep trying but I’m still smiling, you just can’t see under the mask.”​
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Zverev said earlier this week for a second time that the accusations by Sharypova were “untrue”.​
​
“I’m enjoying my time on court. I have said everything. They are not true, and there is nothing more I can say right now,” he said on Thursday.​
​
Sharypova did not initially name Zverev in her Instagram post about the alleged abuse, but later confirmed to Russian media that she was referring to her fellow 23-year-old.​
​
Sharypova claimed also that her head was hit against a wall and that she was forced to flee a hotel barefoot.​
Zverev appeared to try and play down his comments in his post-match press conference.​
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“For a professional athlete there are always going to be people who try to wipe the smile off your face,” he said. “So they can keep trying. I’m still smiling.”​
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and then he proceeded to lose in both a popular and an electoral landslide

couldn’t grab em by the ***** on the second go around
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Yet you are believing one person instead of being impartial? Isn’t that what you accused me of doing?
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It is a "he said she said" situation.
You are free to believe her. We are free to believe him until evidence proves otherwise. Best to give him the benefit of the doubt. In America, we have a presumption of innocence. Let her bring her witnesses to court. Not to Twitter and gossip columnist Ben Rothenberg.
 
In any event, abuse here is defined fom coaching kids to professionals, so you should forget about Zverev and support the body. It will do something if not perhaps a lot.

Raul_SJ said:
It is a "he said she said" situation.
You are free to believe her. We are free to believe him until evidence proves otherwise. Best to give him the benefit of the doubt. In America, we have a presumption of innocence.
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