ATP Indian Wells 2025

Who will win the tournament?

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Hitman said:
To me it is an improvement if he can first actually win a title indoors against anybody, something he was unable to do in previous years.
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First of all, he didn’t play Rotterdam last year, and the defending champion didn’t participate. Second of all, his wins weren’t that impressive. Unless he wins one of Vienna, Basel, Paris or WTF I’ll be impressed. But for now he hasn’t improved IMO and I’m sure many can agree
 
dking68 said:
I think he wins one of the next 5 Wimbledons. He’s gonna be a champion. Bookmark this message
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Lol I have better things to do.
Absolutely would like to see him do it.

But I think once Fonseca develops/matures, he’ll be in that mix with the other two.

If you’re right you’re right. You need consistency before forming a projection.
 
In the first set, most points were played with Draper‘s FH against the Alcaraz BH. Carlos didn’t serve or return to give himself FHs on his +1 shots. Alcaraz had a hard time with Draper‘s wide lefty slider on ad and it seemed like he never stood wide to take it away. Was that lack of game planning on his coach’s part playing against a lefty or did Alcaraz not execute?

In the 3rd set, Carlos seemed tight and for some reason wanted to shorten points on his serve and hit too many bad drop shots when he didn’t have good court position - cost him two breaks. He didn’t have the patience to play long points or the confidence to feel he could win that way by making Draper grind.

Kudos to Draper for beating Alcaraz on grass at Queens and handing him his first loss at IW in 3 years - not easy tasks.
 
@Kralingen unpopular opinion, but it’s obvious to me Sinner would’ve probably been edging in on Djokovic’s unbeaten run to a season start if it hadn’t been for the ban. He would’ve easily done the double here
 
socallefty said:
He didn’t have the patience to play long points or the confidence to feel he could win that way by making Draper grind.
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And the second set was over before he could get much form out of it. Honestly I thought that long second or third fifth game of the final set would let him play himself into the match, but no dice.
 
dking68 said:
First of all, he didn’t play Rotterdam last year, and the defending champion didn’t participate. Second of all, his wins weren’t that impressive. Unless he wins one of Vienna, Basel, Paris or WTF I’ll be impressed. But for now he hasn’t improved IMO and I’m sure many can agree
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Well you were kind of dragging him down saying he only won 4 titles last year, while failing to acknowledge that he missed a lot of clay events including Barcelona due to injury.

We will have to agree to disagree here, Alcaraz was due a loss in the desert, having won it twice in a row, and him losing to the AO GOAT is nothing to be ashamed of.

His strongest part of the season actually starts in a few weeks, lets talk after the clay and grass season is over.
 
Hitman said:
Well you were kind of dragging him down saying he only won 4 titles last year, while failing to acknowledge that he missed a lot of clay events including Barcelona due to injury.

We will have to agree to disagree here, Alcaraz was due a loss in the desert, having won it twice in a row, and him losing to the AO GOAT is nothing to be ashamed of.

His strongest part of the season actually starts in a few weeks, lets talk after the clay and grass season is over.
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It’s not looking good for him so far. If he loses in Miami, he’s gonna arrive on clay with not much confidence
 
dking68 said:
@Kralingen unpopular opinion, but it’s obvious to me Sinner would’ve probably been edging in on Djokovic’s unbeaten run to a season start if it hadn’t been for the ban. He would’ve easily done the double here
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Highly unlikely, Sinner is still unproven on clay, with only a 250 to his name. Him winning multiple clay masters after doing the sunshine double was never happening. He wouldn't be able to keep up the pace, he was tired after AO and did not even defend Rotterdam.
 
dking68 said:
It’s not looking good for him so far. If he loses in Miami, he’s gonna arrive on clay with not much confidence
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I'm sorry, is he on his best surface right now?

Lets talk after clay and grass and then we will see where he really stands.

You are hyping Sinner to the moon and crapping on Alcaraz to the same extent, try finding a middle ground here if you can.
 
Hitman said:
Highly unlikely, Sinner is still unproven on clay, with only a 250 to his name. Him winning multiple clay masters after doing the sunshine double was never happening. He wouldn't be able to keep up the pace, he was tired after AO and did not even defend Rotterdam.
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I said edging in or closing in. I don’t think he would’ve broken it either. I didn’t even like his schedule, he needs to stop playing MC after the sunshine double.
 
Hitman said:
I'm sorry, is he on his best surface right now?

Lets talk after clay and grass and then we will see where he really stands.

You are hyping Sinner to the moon and crapping on Alcaraz to the same extent, try finding a middle ground here if you can.
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He just lost on the hardcourt where his game is most favorable. I don’t have much hope for him in Miami. I can count at least 5 people who will defeat him at Miami.
 
dking68 said:
I said edging in or closing in. I don’t think he would’ve broken it either. I didn’t even like his schedule, he needs to stop playing MC after the sunshine double.
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Basically it wouldn't have mattered because he would have stood zero chance. He is unproven on clay, he wasn't winning four masters titles in a row to catch Djokovic. He's good, he's not THAT good.

He is always playing MC, that is his local event.
 
I'm backing my boy Holger for the title. Solid performances throughout the tournament. Playing with more patience now and and consistently coming out clutch in key moments. Played with sheer focus against Tsitsipas and Medvedev and he can only get better from here.
 
dking68 said:
He just lost on the hardcourt where his game is most favorable. I don’t have much hope for him in Miami. I can count at least 5 people who will defeat him at Miami.
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Yes, he lost in the semis after winning the title the last two years. The odds were always increasing for a loss to come at some point. Only Djokovic and Federer have won this event three times in a row, and they are the two greatest HC players of all time. He is 21 and won it twice.

I'm not interested in his run in Miami like that, if he wins good, if not, I'm not bothered, I am more interested in his clay run, because what matters is the defense of his RG title now. He cannot afford to lose that or he drops a lot in the rankings, which will impact his W title defense.
 
placebo said:
I'm backing my boy Holger for the title. Solid performances throughout the tournament. Playing with more patience now and and consistently coming out clutch in key moments. Played with sheer focus against Tsitsipas and Medvedev and he can only get better from here.
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While Tsitsipas and Medvedev are good scalps, Draper just beat the two players who won the last three titles at IW in Fritz and Alcaraz in addition to taking out Shelton in between. They are both in good form and I hope we get a tightly contested final.
 
Hitman said:
Yes, he lost in the semis after winning the title the last two years. The odds were always increasing for a loss to come at some point. Only Djokovic and Federer have won this event three times in a row, and they are the two greatest HC players of all time. He is 21 and won it twice.

I'm not interested in his run in Miami like that, if he wins good, if not, I'm not bothered, I am more interested in his clay run, because what matters is the defense of his RG title now. He cannot afford to lose that or he drops a lot in the rankings, which will impact his W title defense.
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He’s already losing points man.
 
dking68 said:
He’s already losing points man.
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I know, he lost Indian Wells, but how many times do you want me to say to you that he was injured and hardly played the clay season last year....you understand what that means when he steps foot on the clay again this year, when he is healthy, yes?
 
Hitman said:
I know, he lost Indian Wells, but how many times do you want me to say to you that he was injured and hardly played the clay season last year....you understand what that means when he steps foot on the clay again this year, when he is healthy, yes?
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True.. let’s wait and see. Still think this will be a step back this season with no slams for Alky
 
I see resale upper level tickets available for $125-130 and lower level tickets for $430 which is pretty low for the Finals session including both WTA and ATP finals. Wonder if prices would be higher if Alcaraz had not lost today.
 
Hitman said:
Well you were kind of dragging him down saying he only won 4 titles last year, while failing to acknowledge that he missed a lot of clay events including Barcelona due to injury.

We will have to agree to disagree here, Alcaraz was due a loss in the desert, having won it twice in a row, and him losing to the AO GOAT is nothing to be ashamed of.

His strongest part of the season actually starts in a few weeks, lets talk after the clay and grass season is over.
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Heh, heh, man - enjoyed your perspective on this page. Looking forward to seeing how the clay / grass seasons pan out.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Brilliant performance from draper. Especially the way he came back after losing 2nd set 6-0. Rune was brilliant against Meddy too. It should be a fun final.
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Credit where it is due. Especially hats off to Holger Rune, probably played his best match since over a year. Very disciplined, focused and mentally tough. If he continues to play like this we are in for a lot of good tennis matches. Very looking forward to the final
 
Didn't get to watch the Alcaraz / Draper match live but just caught up. Obviously I wanted Alcaraz to win, but hats off to Draper. He played some great tennis (especially in the third set) and I have to say, it's pretty exciting to see Rune and Draper raising their levels in the desert to add some depth to the tour. Can't wait for the final.
 
chjtennis said:
Win or lose, I hope Rune gets motivated by this result and have a strong year in 2025. We need to complete Big 3 with him in it. Raz's loss only made it obvious why ATP needs Sinner.
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What about demolished rather than lose.

Congrats Jack.......I ve never known a player in every round shut the crowd up.....Noisy Brazilians, the home crowd for 3 rounds and then the Alcaraz fan club.
 
Winner Sinner said:
What a lesson Draper gave Fonseca in this second set, dropshot clinic, amazing volleys, he tried to move him continuously forcing him to make mistakes.
Obviously Fonseca also needs these lessons in his growth process.

In any case Draper is a player who is acquiring the solidity of a top player.
Easy prediction, if injuries leave him alone, he will be a constant top 10 in the next 5/6 years.
As already said, assuming that a player born in the early 2000s will win the first slam other than Sinneraz, I see Draper achieving the goal before both Rune and Shelton.
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This one.

Usual propitiatory prophecy, he demolished them both.

Impressive tournament in Indian Wells by mister Jack.

He could be the anti-Sinner on fast surfaces.
 
In winning 2025 Indian Wells, Draper beat 2 former champions (Fritz and Alcaraz) and becomes:

1. Only the 2nd British player to win the title (after Norrie in 2021).
2. 1 of 5 British players to win at least 1 Masters 1000 title (along with Rusedski, Henman, Murray and Norrie).
3. 1 of just 20 current players to win at least 1 Masters 1000 title.
4. 1 of 41 players overall to win at least 1 Masters 1000 title (since the series began in 1990).
5. 1 of just 20 current players to win at least 1 big title (Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters).
6. A top #10 player for the 1st time in his career (will be ranked world #7 from Monday).
 
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Draper has the game to be a genuine threat to Sincaraz. His FH is massive, his BH is also powerful and he has this no-nonsense approach. Let's see if he can achieve more than Murray.
 
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