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Good to see @jackdraper getting chauffeured by a knight (@andymurray) after an epic run in Indian Wells .
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RSJfan
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Fonzie just hit like 5 winners in one point — and lost the point.
This is a good match. The first time they’ve played since USO junior finals?
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been very entertaining so far.
BenC
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wrong tournament thread, but yeah it's been fun
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BenC
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twice at Nextgen last year, including the finals
RSJfan
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I wasn’t counting that because it was four games baby set tennis format and not an ATP tournament open by ranking. IMO it’s an Exo of young, upcoming players. I think I watched a bit. Fonzie beat him?
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BenC
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fons has apparently won all their meetings at all levels. hope that changes soon so we get a competitive rivalry.
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ChrisJR3264
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That’s like throwing darts at a barn.
Aabye5
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It really isn't, though. Draper has been improving steadily. Was he on the 'Most Improved' list last year?
ChrisJR3264
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TBD. I like Draper but he followed up a great tournament and didn’t even win a match in Miami.
Similar to the us open SF run he didn’t exactly finish strong. I can’t buy the hype yet. Winning a grand slam is going to be much harder than a sun double.
Aabye5
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I am just saying it's not as simple as throwing darts. Picking Draper was a solid choice.
ChrisJR3264
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From a proper analysis, need to see trends.
Getting a pretty darn lucky draw falling the most favorable way possible at the 2024 USO is not one of them. To me, it was indeed throwing darts at a barn picking him for Indian wells. Similar to mensik winning where I didn’t think he’d make it as far as he did.
If you wanna burden the analysis on results, Fonseca is a real prospect to make leaps. 5 years younger than Draper and over a year from Mensik. So we’ll see how he develops once his body gets used to the rigors of the tour.
Draper has some upside but the consistency in 500s and 1000s need to stay. Cam Norrie won Indian wells once, just saying.
Aabye5
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People picked these players to have breakthroughs in 2025. I do agree Draper was a bit lucky at the USO, but that wasn't the case in Indian Wells.
Last year, there was hardly a solid second tier last year behind the top 4 players Sinner, Alcaraz, Djokovic, Zverev. No one else was reliable. However, towards the end of the year you saw a few more challengers in the mix.
Even if Sinner had played in IW/Miami, I think Draper and Mensik would have had good runs. Would they have titles? Probably not, or at least not both of them. But a second tier is still clearly forming.
ChrisJR3264
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I thought Draper had a tough draw and was impressed to see him win the tournament.
Going into his draw, I saw at best SF, worst round of 16. I thought Fonseca could upset him early but when he handed him a bagel , I started to think maybe SF would be valid.
The way Carlos was dominating the draw heading in, he couldn’t lose. And he did. Anyone who thought Carlos would lose to Draper before it happened was simply wanting him to lose, not evaluating his level at all.
Draper served up a meatball in Miami. He’s got some opportunities to get points during clay season. So we’ll see. Some of the top players who have been consistent on tour are in a slump.
Right now I get the gut feeling drapers victory at IW was a “get hot at the moment” vs. this guy being a top 5 guy consistently.
Aabye5
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But Draper had beaten Alcaraz before, and he had improved since then. This was an upset, but not along the lines of Mensik over Djokovic.
A lot of players crash after their first title, no big surprise.
ChrisJR3264
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I think many on the boards continue to over hype guys.
Rune I wouldn’t say has struggled after winning Paris in 2022. He’s been to a Nito atp final 8 in 2023. And a couple more M1000 finals on clay and Paris and Cincy SF LY.
I’m not boarding the hype train on Draper. Saying he will have a break out year versus he could is different. He can very well break through. But it’ll be interesting here on out.
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