ATP may suspend Kyrigios after investigation

Should ATP hand down a suspension?

  • Yes, 1 year (season)

    Votes: 38 27.5%

  • Yes, 2 years (season)

    Votes: 25 18.1%

  • No

    Votes: 75 54.3%
  • Total voters
    138
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http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/atp-sanctions-kyrgios

In addition, Kyrgios has been served with a "Notice of Investigation" which begins a process to determine if his actions also constitute a violation of the Player Major Offence provisions set forth under "Aggravated Behavior" or "Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game."

That investigation opens up the possibility of further penalties which could include additional monetary fines and/or suspension from ATP events.
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My opinion: If the ATP does nothing, then the guy won't learn. He needs to be sent a strong message from his "employers" (read ATP). If all he gets is the slap $10K fine and nothing else, he'll continue to do so as it's pocket change for him as he's already raked in close to $800K this season from prize money alone.
 
What a ******** witchhunt. Kyrgios did not lay a finger on Wawrinka or exhibit signs of unlawful aggression. The explosive overreaction continues I guess. Also glad to know that the ATP has such detailed definitions and provisions as "Aggravated Behavior" or "Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game.". What completely precise terms to use to determine a punishment.

Between Kyrgios and Wawrinka, Wawrinka is definitely the wronged party, lets get that clear. But investigating some for aggravated behaviour? Are we supposed to sweep aside his physical confrontations with members of the French Davis Cup team last year? Or his heated backstage blowup with Federer? Or screaming at drunk US Open fans? Did Djokovic exhibit aggravated behaviour when he yelled in the general vicinity of a ballgirl? Is Nadal compromising the integrity of the game by taking a few more seconds to pick his butt before serving?

C'mon now. ATP just wants to look like the tough guy after being complete pushovers in the 80s and 90s.
 
Would be a bit harsh no? Some caught dopers got suspended for less time than that. Kyrgios 'crime' is a far lesser thing compared to that.

Of course there needs to be reacted to his behaviour, but people shouldn't go overboard and villanize him for everything he does. The repeated fines, negative publicity and crowd/players reactions might be enough of a punishment. If he still doesn't learn though, maybe suspend from a few tournaments, including a slam. But not a freaking whole year.
 
A year suspension it too long, maybe a month, or 6-week, or just the USO. He will have to learn that when you act a certain way, people just don't like it.
 
RalphJ said:
A year suspension it too long, maybe a month, or 6-week, or just the USO. He will have to learn that when you act a certain way, people just don't like it.
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I guarantee you the last thing the US Open wants to do now is run a tournament without Kyrgios. If you want to get a crowd engaged and excited and involved, you will throw them Kyrgios.
 
Bloomberg Business site had a story this morning that stated that according to ATP rules, Kyrgios could be banned as long as three years. That's steep!
 
Inanimate_object said:
I guarantee you the last thing the US Open wants to do now is run a tournament without Kyrgios. If you want to get a crowd engaged and excited and involved, you will throw them Kyrgios.
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Maybe, but I think they'll do okay. Kyrgios messed up. I think it would be good to make him miss it.
 
Words are so painful, it's as damaging as doping to sport.


Or not at all. Tennis wouldn't be where it is if there hadn't been characters that said things no reasonable, rational, calm normative person would.
 
Inanimate_object said:
What a ******** witchhunt. Kyrgios did not lay a finger on Wawrinka or exhibit signs of unlawful aggression. The explosive overreaction continues I guess. Also glad to know that the ATP has such detailed definitions and provisions as "Aggravated Behavior" or "Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game.". What completely precise terms to use to determine a punishment.
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Why don't you educate yourself before spouting your non-sense. The ATP rulebook very clearly defines both terms. Here are the relevant sections:

8.03 - Player Conduct

Verbal Abuse

i) Players shall not at any time directly or indirectly verbally abuse an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or any other person within the precincts of the tournament site. Verbal abuse is defined as any statement about an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or any other person that implies dishonesty or is derogatory, insulting or otherwise abusive.

ii) Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000 for each violation. In addition, if such violation occurs during a match, the player shall be penalized in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior

Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game

Conduct contrary to the integrity of the game shall include, but not be limited to, comments to the news media that unreasonably attack or disparage a tournament, sponsor, player, official or the ATP. Responsible expressions of legitimate disagreement with ATP policies are not prohibited. However, public comments that one of the stated persons above knows, or should reasonably know, will harm the reputation or financial best interests of a tournament, player, sponsor, official or the ATP are expressly covered by this section.

Violation of this section shall subject the player to a fine of up to $100,000 and/or suspension from play in ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournaments for a period of up to three (3) years. Violation of this Section by a Related Person may result in a maximum penalty of permanent revocation of accreditation and denial of access to all ATP World Tour and ATP Challenger Tour Tournaments.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/corporate/rulebook

Kyrgios getting a $10k fine and no suspension is a slap in the wrist considering he could have been hit with a $100k fine and a three year suspension
 
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Hollywood401k said:
Words are so painful, it's as damaging as doping to sport.


Or not at all. Tennis wouldn't be where it is if there hadn't been characters that said things no reasonable, rational, calm normative person would.
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Exactly. The ATP over the last 12 years is trying to cultivate this persona that tennis players are utmost gentlemen without fault or unreasonable demand. Wimbledon has also had a hand in this revisionist approach to it's own history. Player's aren't saints. They're assholes and jerks and underdogs and great guys. The man with the biggest attitude has done more for tennis than any other single player. And that man was a bullying ***** and a jerk and a great guy.
 
Devil_dog said:
Bloomberg Business site had a story this morning that stated that according to ATP rules, Kyrgios could be banned as long as three years. That's steep!
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That is the only kind of punishment that will make a difference. 3 years of lost money in tournaments and sponsorships, and the struggle to come back and catch up, only that will make a difference. A few thousand dollars is not enough.
 
jm1980 said:
Why don't you educate yourself before spouting your non-sense. The ATP rulebook very clearly defines both terms. Here are the relevant sections:

8.03 - Player Conduct

Verbal Abuse

i) Players shall not at any time directly or indirectly verbally abuse an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or any other person within the precincts of the tournament site. Verbal abuse is defined as any statement about an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or any other person that implies dishonesty or is derogatory, insulting or otherwise abusive.

ii) Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000 for each violation. In addition, if such violation occurs during a match, the player shall be penalized in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior

Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game

Conduct contrary to the integrity of the game shall include, but not be limited to, comments to the news media that unreasonably attack or disparage a tournament, sponsor, player, official or the ATP. Responsible expressions of legitimate disagreement with ATP policies are not prohibited. However, public comments that one of the stated persons above knows, or should reasonably know, will harm the reputation or financial best interests of a tournament, player, sponsor, official or the ATP are expressly covered by this section.

Violation of this section shall subject the player to a fine of up to $100,000 and/or suspension from play in ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournaments for a period of up to three (3) years. Violation of this Section by a Related Person may result in a maximum penalty of permanent revocation of accreditation and denial of access to all ATP World Tour and ATP Challenger Tour Tournaments.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/corporate/rulebook

Kyrgios getting a $10k fine and no suspension is a slap in the wrist considering he could have been hit with a $100k fine and a three year suspension
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Thank you for sharing it in such a friendly manner (sarcasm)

You have to wonder why Djok never got fined for his actions at Miami and Wimbledon. The one at Wimbledon was almost as bad as Kyrgios's IMO.
 
sureshs said:
That is the only kind of punishment that will make a difference. 3 years of lost money in tournaments and sponsorships, and the struggle to come back and catch up, only that will make a difference. A few thousand dollars is not enough.
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Fuentes and Spain. Where was the investigation? What happened there?
 
They could probably just fine him a little more and let it go. He'll mess up again, and then they can give him some real time.
 
jm1980 said:
Why don't you educate yourself before spouting your non-sense. The ATP rulebook very clearly defines both terms. Here are the relevant sections:

8.03 - Player Conduct

Verbal Abuse

i) Players shall not at any time directly or indirectly verbally abuse an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or any other person within the precincts of the tournament site. Verbal abuse is defined as any statement about an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or any other person that implies dishonesty or is derogatory, insulting or otherwise abusive.

ii) Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000 for each violation. In addition, if such violation occurs during a match, the player shall be penalized in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior

Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game

Conduct contrary to the integrity of the game shall include, but not be limited to, comments to the news media that unreasonably attack or disparage a tournament, sponsor, player, official or the ATP. Responsible expressions of legitimate disagreement with ATP policies are not prohibited. However, public comments that one of the stated persons above knows, or should reasonably know, will harm the reputation or financial best interests of a tournament, player, sponsor, official or the ATP are expressly covered by this section.

Violation of this section shall subject the player to a fine of up to $100,000 and/or suspension from play in ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournaments for a period of up to three (3) years. Violation of this Section by a Related Person may result in a maximum penalty of permanent revocation of accreditation and denial of access to all ATP World Tour and ATP Challenger Tour Tournaments.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/corporate/rulebook

Kyrgios getting a $10k fine and no suspension is a slap in the wrist considering he could have been hit with a $100k fine and a three year suspension
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Djokovic swearing and using vulgar language towards Madrid crowds --> abusive
Djokovic yelling at ballboy --> unintentionally abusive
Djokovic sarcastically clapping --> derogatory and insulting
Djokovic asking for a replay on a point he did not play --> dishonest
Djokovic striking the ball on Murray's side of the net --> dishonest
Djokovic bragging after beating Roddick --> insulting and injurious to the US Open crowd and the tournament
Djokovic, retiring from AO 09 as defending champion --> injurious to the success of the tournament

I suppose we should ban Djokovic for life. Forgive the term, but the ATP are acting like sissies. Do you remember sticks and stones?
 
His crime fits the definition of verbal abuse, but it doesn't appear to affect the integrity of the game.


jm1980 said:
Players shall not at any time directly or indirectly verbally abuse ... In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior

Conduct contrary to the integrity of the game shall include, but not be limited to, comments to the news media that unreasonably attack or disparage a tournament, sponsor, player, official or the ATP.
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sureshs said:
LOL if your house is burgled, it is cool because a house somewhere in Spain was also burgled? We need no police then, just a guy to explain that you are not special in any way.
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I was using that as an example of many many examples of suspicious events that deserved serious INVESTIGATIONS that were overlooked by the ATP and WADA. What a bunch of crud you are not stupid and naïve.
 
Inanimate_object said:
Djokovic swearing and using vulgar language towards Madrid crowds --> abusive
Djokovic yelling at ballboy --> unintentionally abusive
Djokovic sarcastically clapping --> derogatory and insulting
Djokovic asking for a replay on a point he did not play --> dishonest
Djokovic striking the ball on Murray's side of the net --> dishonest
Djokovic bragging after beating Roddick --> insulting and injurious to the US Open crowd and the tournament
Djokovic, retiring from AO 09 as defending champion --> injurious to the success of the tournament

I suppose we should ban Djokovic for life. Forgive the term, but the ATP are acting like sissies. Do you remember sticks and stones?
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You cannot see the difference between the above and what Nick said? You really cannot?

"Injurious to the success of the tournament" LOL. Then Federer should have been banned after withdrawing from the WTF final.
 
However, public comments that one of the stated persons above knows, or should reasonably know, will harm the reputation or financial best interests of a tournament, player, sponsor, official or the ATP are expressly covered by this section.
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I can see the argument the ATP could make that his comments hurt the girl's financial interests as she is an up and coming player. But I don't think his comments were as damaging to her 'reputation' as they would have been say, 10,15,20 years ago. But yea, technically it does apply. I don't think their angle/concern is Stan.

But truthfully, she should learn not to shack up with everyone at the office. We all step in it eventually.

Also, for the haters: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/nic...iend-stan-wawrinka-vecic-controversy-tantrums
 
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Inanimate_object said:
Djokovic swearing and using vulgar language towards Madrid crowds --> abusive
Djokovic yelling at ballboy --> unintentionally abusive
Djokovic sarcastically clapping --> derogatory and insulting
Djokovic asking for a replay on a point he did not play --> dishonest
Djokovic striking the ball on Murray's side of the net --> dishonest
Djokovic bragging after beating Roddick --> insulting and injurious to the US Open crowd and the tournament
Djokovic, retiring from AO 09 as defending champion --> injurious to the success of the tournament

I suppose we should ban Djokovic for life. Forgive the term, but the ATP are acting like sissies. Do you remember sticks and stones?
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LOL the Djokovic haters in full effect I see. How about Federer cursing at the ump. Yelling at the crowd. How about all the other players doing other things.
 
Inanimate_object said:
Djokovic swearing and using vulgar language towards Madrid crowds --> abusive
Djokovic yelling at ballboy --> unintentionally abusive
Djokovic sarcastically clapping --> derogatory and insulting
Djokovic asking for a replay on a point he did not play --> dishonest
Djokovic striking the ball on Murray's side of the net --> dishonest
Djokovic bragging after beating Roddick --> insulting and injurious to the US Open crowd and the tournament
Djokovic, retiring from AO 09 as defending champion --> injurious to the success of the tournament

I suppose we should ban Djokovic for life. Forgive the term, but the ATP are acting like sissies. Do you remember sticks and stones?
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I'll give you ballkid incident, which was bad and warranted some reprimand. The Madrid crowd was horrible, heckling him the entire time and by some accounts throwing stuff at him. There's a reason why he's skipped it twice now. The Murray net incident was unsportsmanlike, but not an egregious offense to game. The rest of these is grasping at straws at best and completely ludicrous at worst.

But clearly this particular episode is much worse than everything Djokovic has done combined. From the reactions not just from the media but fellow players and tennis fans alike, the vast majority agree Kyrgios step way over the line here.
 
swordtennis said:
LOL the Djokovic haters in full effect I see. How about Federer cursing at the ump. Yelling at the crowd. How about all the other players doing other things.
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Yes exactly. We should all ban those players, especially Federer. Swearing and showing disrespect for an umpire is unforgivable and inexcusable.

The point is not that Kyrgios hasn't done something wrong, it is that this is a massive power trip by the ATP to try and exercise punishments strictly on a scapegoat, whose provisions imply guilt for most of the tour. The ATP seem so hell-bent on removing traces of Natase, Connors, McEnroe or Roddick and Agassi that they want to re-assert their punitive control after having been embarassed for nearly 2 decades by the likes of Jimbo and Jmac.
 
Inanimate_object said:
Djokovic swearing and using vulgar language towards Madrid crowds --> abusive
Djokovic yelling at ballboy --> unintentionally abusive
Djokovic sarcastically clapping --> derogatory and insulting
Djokovic asking for a replay on a point he did not play --> dishonest
Djokovic striking the ball on Murray's side of the net --> dishonest
Djokovic bragging after beating Roddick --> insulting and injurious to the US Open crowd and the tournament
Djokovic, retiring from AO 09 as defending champion --> injurious to the success of the tournament

I suppose we should ban Djokovic for life. Forgive the term, but the ATP are acting like sissies. Do you remember sticks and stones?
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Tough, but . . . Yeah.

I think Kyrgios was basically starting a fight. Wawrinka had absolutely no recourse. What could he do? He couldn't punch him right there. And he couldn't do anything to him later. Everybody felt it. It was a jab below the belt only used to be a bully a--hole, completely unrelated to tennis.
 
I hate to sound conciliatory but wouldn't the best approach be to help him to maintain composure through various forms of psychological therapy rather than to simply fine or suspend him?
 
3 month ban, +
9 month ban suspended for 2 years +
$100,000 fine +
Written apology to Wawrinka, Vekic amd Kokkinakis to be made public +
Agreement to undertake psycotherapy with the aim improving his impulse control.

Sounds about right to me.
 
Bartelby said:
I hate to sound conciliatory but wouldn't the best approach be to help him to maintain composure through various forms of psychological therapy rather than to simply fine or suspend him?
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No.

"Anger management" counseling works best when the guy has also been harmed financially in a substantial way. Remember, people do not change unless they are forced to.
 
PS It is no longer just about Kyrgios. Having read a number of posts on this site and elsewhere who seem to think that $lut-shaming a fellow professional on the WTA is no big thing, the ATP needs to make an example of this fool and send a message to up and coming young players that this sort of thing has no place in the game.

PPS Yonex need to think hard about whether they need someone like NK representing their brand for much longer ....
 
Thriller said:
PS It is no longer just about Kyrgios. Having read a number of posts on this site and elsewhere who seem to think that $lut-shaming a fellow professional on the WTA is no big thing, the ATP needs to make an example of this fool and send a message to up and coming young players that this sort of thing has no place in the game.

PPS Yonex need to think hard about whether they need someone like NK representing their brand for much longer ....
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People need to think hard if they should buy from companies who continue to sponsor him.
 
Thriller said:
PS It is no longer just about Kyrgios. Having read a number of posts on this site and elsewhere who seem to think that $lut-shaming a fellow professional on the WTA is no big thing, the ATP needs to make an example of this fool and send a message to up and coming young players that this sort of thing has no place in the game.

PPS Yonex need to think hard about whether they need someone like NK representing their brand for much longer ....
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If she is a ****, no harm done calling her so.
 
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