ATP may suspend Kyrigios after investigation

Should ATP hand down a suspension?

  • Yes, 1 year (season)

    Votes: 38 27.5%

  • Yes, 2 years (season)

    Votes: 25 18.1%

  • No

    Votes: 75 54.3%
  • Total voters
    138
Inanimate_object said:
A very interesting editorial! Thanks! It'll take me a bit of time to completely digest it.
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I get that people that write for a living have to crank out columns. However, this bloke (is that the proper English term) is trying too hard to write a "deep" column connecting dots that don't exist. Has he watched much tennis I wonder. 70s tennis was vastly nastier. In fact, the Big Four era has to be among the most genteel you could reasonably expect or want. I see little evidence that Kyrgios is anything more than a blip and not some new trend. Unless of course you want to count the out of control challenger circuit where thugs like Harrison seem to be running wild.
 
You just can't compare past era to the present. We are living in a time where McDonald's gets sued for not warning to be careful with the hot coffee on the cup. What people say in 2015 is perceived very differently from 1975.
 
chjtennis said:
..We are living in a time where McDonald's gets sued for not warning to be careful with the hot coffee on the cup..
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Even the most cursory investigation into the actual facts involved in the so-called McDonalds coffee case shows McDonald's deserved to get slammed. Juries are not generally stupid either.
 
They would be even stupider than I think they are if they suspended him for any amount of time. When they interfere with a person's mode of income, and playing tennis is what he does for a living, they'd risk getting sued and LOSING. So, they don't want to go there. Take points away, a heftier fine, wud evah, but don't get carried away and fascist about it. Two wrongs, etc.

Here's a good rule of thumb: pretend YOU'RE in his position. Now, what should his "punishment" be?
 
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dondropshot said:
They would be even stupider than I think they are if they suspended him for any amount of time. When they interfere with a person's mode of income, and playing tennis is what he does for a living, they'd risk getting sued and LOSING. So, they don't want to go there. Take points away, a heftier fine, wud evah, but don't get carried away and fascist about it. Two wrongs, etc.

Here's a good rule of thumb: pretend YOU'RE in his position. Now, what should his "punishment" be?
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Not saying I am supportive of a ban but why are you so confident such a case would be ruled to the detriment of the tennis authorities?
 
chjtennis said:
You just can't compare past era to the present. We are living in a time where McDonald's gets sued for not warning to be careful with the hot coffee on the cup. What people say in 2015 is perceived very differently from 1975.
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To be fair, in 1976 Nastase called Ashe a "bloody n*****" on court, which Ashe didn't hear but Bud Collins picked up and chastised him for on air, and even for mid 70's standards that's still pretty bad. Ashe even said that while he didn't consider Nastase a racist, had he heard his remark he'd have stopped play until he got an apology right then and there.
 
Inanimate_object said:
Over a hundred people are dead in the chemical explosion at Tianjin, there are daily attacks in the south of Turkey by Kurd nationalist and ISIL forces, the Brazilian people are marching against their president, China is escalating a currency war and the US is full-scale in the middle of a very important election process.

Are people seriously making a stink over this? Have a bit of perspective. We've all gone mad and lost our thick skin. Now we are over-sized babies, frothing at the chance to wear bow-ties and call ourselves proper gentlemen.
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dont forget the restart against peoples wishes of the dangerous mothballed nuke reactors just 32 miles from a deadly volcano that is about to erupt anytime in Japan

having said that looking forward to some exciting fully completed matches
Kokkinakis vs Fog and NK vs Gas
 
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PeteUSA said:
Johnny Mac was suspended 3 weeks for less. They should throw Nick out for good. His tennis is boring. He is trash.
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John is the only player in the history of the game that deserves a quick execution from tennis

Macca whispers the most foul language you could ever hear to lines people, he knows all the tricks
and would be the best coach for NK on how to use the anger properly, Nick should take his offer
 
FD3S said:
To be fair, in 1976 Nastase called Ashe a "bloody n*****" on court, which Ashe didn't hear but Bud Collins picked up and chastised him for on air, and even for mid 70's standards that's still pretty bad. Ashe even said that while he didn't consider Nastase a racist, had he heard his remark he'd have stopped play until he got an apology right then and there.
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Hardly any comparison between the two comments!

Nastase's was far far worse!

not even close!
 
sureshs said:
This is not a criminal case in which the "truth" needs to be determined. There is no legal way to ascertain the truth, and any such action will be thrown out in a court. So speculation about whether it is true or not is worthless, however much it may satisfy your desires. The only punishable action as per ATP rules is what Nick said.
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I never implied it was a criminal case, the legal means of pursuit would be one of defamation, in defamation, truth is a defence. Look it up buddy.
 
Inanimate_object said:
What a ******** witchhunt. Kyrgios did not lay a finger on Wawrinka or exhibit signs of unlawful aggression. The explosive overreaction continues I guess. Also glad to know that the ATP has such detailed definitions and provisions as "Aggravated Behavior" or "Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game.". What completely precise terms to use to determine a punishment.

Between Kyrgios and Wawrinka, Wawrinka is definitely the wronged party, lets get that clear. But investigating some for aggravated behaviour? Are we supposed to sweep aside his physical confrontations with members of the French Davis Cup team last year? Or his heated backstage blowup with Federer? Or screaming at drunk US Open fans? Did Djokovic exhibit aggravated behaviour when he yelled in the general vicinity of a ballgirl? Is Nadal compromising the integrity of the game by taking a few more seconds to pick his butt before serving?

C'mon now. ATP just wants to look like the tough guy after being complete pushovers in the 80s and 90s.
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You're transparent agenda is embarrassing you
 
The ATP are taking an awful long time in coming up with a decision.

If they don't act it sets the precedent that any player can do the same and cop a slap on the wrist fine.

Remember he also muttered the words "dirty scum" after a heated debate with an umpire at Wimbledon.

He then claimed it was directed towards himself and not the umpire. Wimbeldon officials bought this garbage,shame on you!

His claim is a lie,pure and simple.

He now has hurt the girlfriend of Wawrinka and Kokkinakis too for that matter.

Anything short of a suspension sets a dangerous precedent that's for sure.
 
His position in the Davis Cup squad also appears to be in jeopardy.


The following is a statement from Wally Masur, Australian Davis Cup captain.

“Some news outlets have reported that I have attempted to defend or even tried to play down the severity of the recent remarks made by Nick Kyrgios and that his selection in the Australian Davis Cup team has been guaranteed.

As this theme keeps coming through in subsequent reports and now others are making comment about my views based on these reports, I feel compelled to reiterate my main reaction to this event, which is one of concern for the innocent victims of the Nick Kyrgios remarks.

To be clear, it is my view that the comments made by Nick Kyrgios referring to other young tennis players during his match with Stan Wawrinka are unacceptable and ought be condemned. Misogyny has no place in society and Nick’s comments are incongruous with the standards expected of a professional athlete and a role model in our community. I echo the condemnation of his comments made by the ATP Player Council. I do not defend Nick Kyrgios in making these comments, nor do I defend the comments.

Putting in place a team of good people to work with Nick is part of the solution to this difficult situation, it is not, and never has been, an endorsement of his behaviour.

These comments took place during an ATP sanctioned event and as the responsible body, the ATP has taken initial disciplinary action. The ATP is continuing their investigation into this incident and may deem further action appropriate. As the Australian Davis Cup captain, I now await the ATP’s determination.

The opportunity to represent Australia as a member of the Australian Davis Cup team is the greatest honour in men’s tennis. The selection of the Davis Cup team occurs in the weeks prior to a scheduled tie with available players selected on the basis of performance and general suitability to represent Australia. This criteria incorporates an assessment of a player’s sportsmanship and general conduct.

As regards the upcoming Davis Cup tie against Great Britain on 18 September, no decision has been made on the team yet. The team will comprise those available players who have been selected against the set criteria at the appropriate time by a Tennis Australia selection panel.

As a former Australian Davis Cup representative, coach and captain, I believe I have maintained the highest standards for those who represent their country. I believe that those who have the honour to represent their country must display the highest professional and ethical standards expected by the Australian public.”
 
While we wait to see if he gets any further punishment, it looks like he's no longer the face for the Yonex's new racquet line. They had a few things referring to him as "dynamic showman" that have since been removed. He's still under their page of sponsored tennis players though.
 
fundrazer said:
While we wait to see if he gets any further punishment, it looks like he's no longer the face for the Yonex's new racquet line. They had a few things referring to him as "dynamic showman" that have since been removed. He's still under their page of sponsored tennis players though.
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Makes sense. They want to distance themselves from Kyrgios until this all blows over.
 
Tshooter said:
I get that people that write for a living have to crank out columns. However, this bloke (is that the proper English term) is trying too hard to write a "deep" column connecting dots that don't exist. Has he watched much tennis I wonder. 70s tennis was vastly nastier. In fact, the Big Four era has to be among the most genteel you could reasonably expect or want. I see little evidence that Kyrgios is anything more than a blip and not some new trend. Unless of course you want to count the out of control challenger circuit where thugs like Harrison seem to be running wild.
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I think you're missing the point that the article is emphatically not about tennis at all. It's just using this latest episode as a prompt to discuss the transformation in our daily interactions and tolerances and collective impulse control.
 
Inanimate_object said:
I think you're missing the point that the article is emphatically not about tennis at all. It's just using this latest episode as a prompt to discuss the transformation in our daily interactions and tolerances and collective impulse control.
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Well I already forgot what the article said. (-: So I have to try to figure it out from our posts so I can reply.

Ok, here goes:

I think you're missing the point that the article picks anything but a random data point from tennis ("this latest episode" suggesting the Kyrgios Incident with Stan in the Night-Time reflects an actual trend underlying tennis decorum) to support his theory concerning an alleged "transformation in our daily interactions and tolerances and collective impulse control." I could pick the data points I want from tennis and elsewhere and demonstrate a transformation that we've become more tolerant with greater impulse control.

If he wants a starting point to jump off to his theory go elsewhere or start with Roger bawling and Rafa comforting Roger because even if his theory turns out to be statistically valid I don't think tennis supports the theory if you choose a representative data point. Though If you want to drag tennis into it I think it's fair to note, sadly, that the men no longer wear trousers and the ladies no longer wear ankle-length skirts.
 
The biggest loser in all this, is the lady involved. Unlucky for her, this happened in Canada. If this happened in the US, she could have sued him and won big time.
 
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I find people's reaction to this incident to be quite simply hilarious. On one hand you have the people who claim they're tired of the player being so PR conscious, yet they can hardly deal with what happened last week without suggesting some sort of drastic measure. Then you have the rest of the people who compose this uptight version of the world we live in, in 2015 who would be willing to fine a player for farting because it's not politically correct to do so. While all the eyes are on Kyrgios right now, some seem to forget that there's no smoke without a fire. The feud between Wawrinka/Kyrgios started at the beginning of the grass season if my memory serves me correctly and like every story, there's 2 sides to it. People were quick to paint Wawrinka as the victim, but I'm pretty certain he's not as innocent as he appears to be in all of this. As others said, the real victim here is Stan's girlfriend and I can agree to that. In the end though, they're all adults so they can live with whatever they did.

I don't approve of what Kyrgios said, but to say he should be suspended for a year is an overreaction. Must I remind everyone that nothing physical happened, just some random words/insults thrown in the heat of the moment. People say much worst everyday and 25 years ago, much worst was said on court and no one gave a crap. The reason why people seem so outraged is because what he said is actually true? I don't know? Honestly I don't care either, it's they're personal lives. Kyrgios paid his fine, he'll have to live with that perception from the public for a couple more weeks, so I say he's got what he deserved at the end. Everyone will be on his case whenever he plays, until the next newsworthy headline pops-up. A couple of months from now, everything will be forgotten.
 
Forgotten....you must be joking right?

The man acted in a very low life manner and don't forget his dirty scum comment directed at the umpire.

I feel sorry for Stan's girlfriend. I reckon she must be hurting bad,and unfortunately for her this perception of her being a **** is not going to go away.
 
The "politically correct" argument is so bloody tiresome... It's the same silly argument used by Trump supporters. There's a huge difference between not being PC and blurting out every idiotic thing that goes through your head.
 
Roddick85 said:
I find people's reaction to this incident to be quite simply hilarious.... in 2015 who would be willing to fine a player for farting because it's not politically correct to do so. While all the eyes are on Kyrgios right now, some seem to forget that there's no smoke without a fire. The feud between Wawrinka/Kyrgios started at the beginning of the grass season if my memory serves me correctly and like every story, there's 2 sides to it. People were quick to paint Wawrinka as the victim...
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Lets look at Stan for a moment, he criticized NK for tanking a game while Stan tanked the match not wanting to go down fighting and still losing like Fed and Nadal

""""Stan did not call the trainer"""" "

at all yet was happy to talk to the media and how he confronted NK in the change rooms when he had no idea of what happened until his team told him later. So I call BS on that trying to make himself look tough.

Even against the French, Gasquet confronted him and Monfils stepped in to help Wawa

later Wawa said we should always settle our argument on the court with our racquets that where it matters

yet he does the opposite and lies
 
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Mac33 said:
The ATP are taking an awful long time in coming up with a decision.

If they don't act it sets the precedent that any player can do the same and cop a slap on the wrist fine.

Remember he also muttered the words "dirty scum" after a heated debate with an umpire at Wimbledon.

He then claimed it was directed towards himself and not the umpire. Wimbeldon officials bought this garbage,shame on you!

His claim is a lie,pure and simple.

He now has hurt the girlfriend of Wawrinka and Kokkinakis too for that matter.

Anything short of a suspension sets a dangerous precedent that's for sure.
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With an opinion like this, you must be a baby boomer :rolleyes:
 
A year suspension over this would be ridiculous. He made some dirty and classless remarks; he didn't hit or threaten anyone, test positive for a performance enhancing drug, or do anything on that scale. I think it would have been reasonable to default him from his next match in Montreal, and something like a one-month suspension would arguably be a good way to really get the message across. A year suspension would do serious damage to his career over behavior that just doesn't warrant that kind of extreme long-term penalty.
 
Joseph L. Barrow said:
A year suspension over this would be ridiculous. He made some dirty and classless remarks; he didn't hit or threaten anyone, test positive for a performance enhancing drug, or do anything on that scale. I think it would have been reasonable to default him from his next match in Montreal, and something like a one-month suspension would arguably be a good way to really get the message across. A year suspension would do serious damage to his career over behavior that just doesn't warrant that kind of extreme long-term penalty.
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3 months, ok ?
 
Serena should be banned for life for threatening to kill Tsurubuchi with a direct eye to eye contact plus racquet waving.

Otherwise, ridiculous double standard by ITF.
 
Joseph L. Barrow said:
A year suspension over this would be ridiculous. He made some dirty and classless remarks; he didn't hit or threaten anyone, test positive for a performance enhancing drug, or do anything on that scale. I think it would have been reasonable to default him from his next match in Montreal, and something like a one-month suspension would arguably be a good way to really get the message across. A year suspension would do serious damage to his career over behavior that just doesn't warrant that kind of extreme long-term penalty.
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This. I find it hard to avknowledge that almost 45% who voted in the poll want a year's ban or more. That is just incomprehensible to me ...

If you look at what constitutes a year's ban in any sports, this is just ridiculous.
I really hope none of those peeps are ever selected for jury duty ....
 
Krygios was just pre-empting the Ashley Madison hacking dump which has the world in a frenzy to see who is banging who, so is he the only kid on the block?
 
tennisaddict said:
Plain rubbish if he is even suspended for one tournament.

Then Murray should be suspended for telling Rosol that no one likes him and Rosol for knocking Rafa's water bottles and Federer for telling fan to 'Shut up'

What a bunch of sissies
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Lol, yeah, this is just completely ridiculous. I can't believe anyone is actually suggesting he should be banned at all, never mind a year. He made a classless remark. Get over it.

Let's remember just for a moment: Novak screamed to the audience to suck his d***, and a few other incidents, Ferrer pushed a linesman and insulted an umpire in a sexist way... and no suspension NOR fine... yet Kyrgios should be suspended for this?. I don't like the guy, but get a grip people, please.

BTW, especially considering the above precedents, I don't think a suspension would hold on appeal. And as I understand it it could never take place before the appeal is resolved, so he would never miss the USO. EDIT: I'm actually not sure about that last point. Was the Serb player (his name escapes me right now) who refused an anti-doping test suspended right away ir did they have to wait for the result of the appeal...?.
 
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I don't think he should be suspended;

The punishment he's received so far seems to be quite appropriate. He's an ******* who said some nasty things, and nobody likes him because of that. That's all.

No need to overblow things.
 
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