ATP Next-Gen Finals 2024- Jeddah

Who will win the tournament?

  • Fils

    Votes: 14 37.8%
  • Michelsen

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Mensik

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Shang

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • Tien

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Van Assche

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Basavareddy

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Fonseca

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • A reserve

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    37

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
We finally have the eight participants of this edition of the Next-Gen which will be held in Jeddah from 18 to 22 December;

Fils (20)
Michelesen (41)
Mensik (48)
Shang (50)
Tien (122)
Van Assche (128)
Basavareddy (138)
Fonseca (145)

Reserves;

Landaluce (151)
Wong (170)

Roll of honour
2017= Chung
2018= Tsitsipas
2019= Sinner
2020= not played
2021= Alcaraz
2022=Nakashima
2023= Medjedovic
2024= ?
 
We finally have the eight participants of this edition of the Next-Gen which will be held in Jeddah from 18 to 22 December;

Fils (20)
Michelesen (41)
Mensik (48)
Shang (50)
Tien (122)
Van Assche (128)
Basavareddy (138)
Fonseca (145)

Reserves;

Landaluce (151)
Wong (170)

Roll of honour
2017= Chung
2018= Tsitsipas
2019= Sinner
2020= not played
2021= Alcaraz
2022=Nakashima
2023= Medjedovic
2024= ?
i think alot of people are overlooking fonseca who's just as talented or more talented than Fils
 
i think alot of people are overlooking fonseca who's just as talented or more talented than Fils
Yes, but this is a tournament being played "today", it's not a competition about who will have the best career.
Objectively, for the level shown in recent weeks, Fils deserves the scepter of favorite with a wide margin over the others, although I would not underestimate Mensik.

As for Fonseca, this experience will help him compete with a level of opponents he has rarely faced before.
Although it must be said that Fils already faced him in the Rio 500, giving him a sound lesson, but it was on a different surface and above all the Frenchman was still going through a period of slight decline.
The Fils seen between Tokyo, Basel and Bercy is a potentially top 10 player.
 
Yes, but this is a tournament being played "today", it's not a competition about who will have the best career.
Objectively, for the level shown in recent weeks, Fils deserves the scepter of favorite with a wide margin over the others, although I would not underestimate Mensik.

As for Fonseca, this experience will help him compete with a level of opponents he has rarely faced before.
Although it must be said that Fils already faced him in the Rio 500, giving him a sound lesson, but it was on a different surface and above all the Frenchman was still going through a period of slight decline.
The Fils seen between Tokyo, Basel and Bercy is a potentially top 10 player.
Fonseca forehand is the biggest shot in history of tennis, many argue
 
Fils and Mensik are the more experienced players in that draw. Fils is quite inconsistent though.

No that this tournament is a good predictor of the true quality on tour of the newcomers, but overall I like the format. Should be interesting.
 
Is this an end of season tournament or pre-season? I guess it's after players' off-seasons so it's more relevant to the 2025 season once it commences?
 
Rule changes:


CHANGEOVERS:
- There will be no change of ends after the first game.
- Players will change ends and sit down for 90 seconds after the first three games are played, once more if the set score reaches 3-2 (i.e., after two more games in the set), and then again at the end of the set (regardless of the final set score).
- Players will change ends after every six points in the tie-break.
- Players will sit down at the end of the set for 90 seconds, reduced from 120 seconds.


RULES INITIATIVES:
- Warm up: Players will warm up for 3 minutes on court.
- Ball change: After every 7 games.
- Serve Shot Clock: Up to 8 seconds will be permitted between first and second serve. A shot clock will display the time elapsed between the first and second serve.
- Time between Points: Continuing with the 2023 initiative, the time between points will be reduced from 25 seconds to 15 seconds if a point is below three shots (e.g., 2 shots = 15 seconds; 3 shots = 25 seconds).
- No Let Rule: Play continues even if the ball touches the net during a serve, provided it lands in the correct service box.
- Free Fan Movement: Free movement will be allowed in the stadium for the first three games of the match. After the first free games, fans will be allowed to move freely except for limited areas behind the baseline in direct player view.
- Movement by a spectator(s) in the designated free movement areas shall not constitute a legitimate pause in the shot clock.
- Umpire Chair: Lower umpire chair to reduce the visual obstruction for fans in the arena.


Not sure if it's a good idea to shorten the time between sets.
 
I hate the idea of no lets on serve. It just seems to create an element of randomness.

Also letting people move around during the match. I think it's part of the etiquette that you don't move around while the players are playing and as an audience member I would absolutely hate it if people just move around while play is going on.
 
I hate the idea of no lets on serve. It just seems to create an element of randomness.

Also letting people move around during the match. I think it's part of the etiquette that you don't move around while the players are playing and as an audience member I would absolutely hate it if people just move around while play is going on.

The movement part seems inevitable, but I feel like there could be a better way to go about it.

But no-lets is just silly.
 
The movement part seems inevitable, but I feel like there could be a better way to go about it.

But no-lets is just silly.
why is no lets silly ? ATP tour is seriously considering getting rid of let rule on the serve. too many time its a phantom call and it just causes delay in the game which fans find very annoying. College tennis has been doing it for years and its been a great success. some are worried about let ACE on match point but it only happens like in 0.0001 % of the time, which is inconsequential (y)
 
why is no lets silly ? ATP tour is seriously considering getting rid of let rule on the serve. too many time its a phantom call and it just causes delay in the game which fans find very annoying. College tennis has been doing it for years and its been a great success. some are worried about let ACE on match point but it only happens like in 0.0001 % of the time, which is inconsequential (y)

Don't like it. I just feel it adds nothing to the game.

They keep trying to shorten matches by shaving a few seconds off here or there. Why don't they just pull the plug and turn everything into best of three?
 
Don't like it. I just feel it adds nothing to the game.

They keep trying to shorten matches by shaving a few seconds off here or there. Why don't they just pull the plug and turn everything into best of three?
Because Grand slams are a test of endurance as well as skill and talent. if you shorten it, it could hurt that. Guys like that italian dude could have beaten novak at the french open... but who's really better player ? Novak right,, so with 5 sets, better player won
 
why is no lets silly ? ATP tour is seriously considering getting rid of let rule on the serve. too many time its a phantom call and it just causes delay in the game which fans find very annoying. College tennis has been doing it for years and its been a great success. some are worried about let ACE on match point but it only happens like in 0.0001 % of the time, which is inconsequential (y)
Given that it happens so rarely, why tinker with the rule? I'm a tennis fan and certainly it doesn't annoy me. I watched the "turbo tennis" exhibition in London live many years ago, which was completely ridiculous and also had no lets on serve.
 
Because Grand slams are a test of endurance as well as skill and talent. if you shorten it, it could hurt that. Guys like that italian dude could have beaten novak at the french open... but who's really better player ? Novak right,, so with 5 sets, better player won

I agree. But saving a few seconds for a let also does nothing to help the game.
 
This should be Fils for the win with Mensik as disruptor. But how much effort and energy are the highest ranked players willing to spend so close to the new season?
So close to the new season? These guys are in their early 20's (at the oldest). Surely they can recover in time for the AO, or whatever big event they want to focus on next.
 
So close to the new season? These guys are in their early 20's (at the oldest). Surely they can recover in time for the AO, or whatever big event they want to focus on next.

But it's still a glorified exho. The top guys won't want to risk injury, but this would be a golden opportunity for the lower players to take home a nice paycheck
 
But it's still a glorified exho. The top guys won't want to risk injury, but this would be a golden opportunity for the lower players to take home a nice paycheck
I mean, yes and no. The prize money is good, and the bragging rights can be meaningful. The past winners list is pretty decent, and these young guys should be very hungry to win events.
 
Even if that was true (I don't believe it is), it can hardly be called cheating...
They are talking about cheating in college tennis, where the system is not automated and players usually make their own calls. In that setting, players were using lets to cheat.

But even with the automated system on the pro level, we still often see players complaining about it. I think it's a good idea, and it could be fun to see some of the returns and points that result from funky net-cords.
 
The groups for the Next Gen ATP Finals in Jeddah have been defined, the event that brings together the best under-20 tennis players on the circuit. The tournament, which has seen champions such as Sinner, Alcaraz and Tsitsipas triumph in the past, will take place from 18 to 22 December.
The tournament promises to be particularly interesting, with Fils, winner of three ATP titles in 2024, leading the blue group and Michelsen as the top seed of the red group. Over the years, the event has proven to be a launching pad for future champions, as demonstrated by the names of previous winners.

Blue Group
– Arthur Fils (1)
– Jakub Mensik (3)
– Learner Tien (5)
– Joao Fonseca (8)

Red Group
– Alex Michelsen (2)
– Shang Juncheng (4)
– Luca Van Assche (6)
– Nishesh Basavareddy (7)
 
The groups for the Next Gen ATP Finals in Jeddah have been defined, the event that brings together the best under-20 tennis players on the circuit. The tournament, which has seen champions such as Sinner, Alcaraz and Tsitsipas triumph in the past, will take place from 18 to 22 December.
The tournament promises to be particularly interesting, with Fils, winner of three ATP titles in 2024, leading the blue group and Michelsen as the top seed of the red group. Over the years, the event has proven to be a launching pad for future champions, as demonstrated by the names of previous winners.

Blue Group
– Arthur Fils (1)
– Jakub Mensik (3)
– Learner Tien (5)
– Joao Fonseca (8)

Red Group
– Alex Michelsen (2)
– Shang Juncheng (4)
– Luca Van Assche (6)
– Nishesh Basavareddy (7)
Basavareddy is definitely the favorite here , these guys don't know his game at all and that will be the advantage
 
Mensik talks about himself in an interview with the ATP website, in which he talks about his tennis, perspectives and references. Three above all: Djokovic his childhood idol, together with Berdych, Sinner the reference of today, the one who has traced a path that he personally hopes to repeat.

“The new generation is coming. With Sinner, Alcaraz and all the other young players, when I was training to try to land on the ATP Tour, I could see the level reached by this group and that helps. The game is constantly evolving and all the former Next Gen, myself and the other younger players, are bringing something new. I really like Sinner. He's a tall player like me and moves so well. I see similarities because despite my height I too can move well on the pitch. Even for the forehand, I have a similar technique and style to Jannik. I can't be like Alcaraz because he is smaller and more muscularly powerful, I am thinner. When you see a lot of tall guys on tour, they have big serves and powerful shots. My serve is also a notable weapon."

“The Next Gen Finals are a great event. I think many of the past champions are already at the top of the ATP Tour. Jannik was one of the first winners and he was also my age when he played the event, he was at the same level as me and now he is the best player in the world. It's also great to see new players trying to bring something new to tennis."

“My influences? Tomas Berdych always trained near me and when I started playing tennis, he was at his best level, so I started thanks to him. I used to watch it when I was at home. Then there were the Big 3 at the time and my favorite among them was Djokovic. He is my idol."

This mentality of Jakub, it's not just the victory that counts: “My motto is: we never lose because I learn something. I knew life on tour would be super difficult at first. Every day, every week, you basically end up losing because at the end of the tournament there can only be one winner, and that's always the case. It's very tough to stay there week after week to be the champion. The point is to trust the process. Work hard every day and be the best I can, only then you will be the winner one day.”

Mensik owes everything to the support of his family: “I have to say that from the beginning of my career, when I started playing tennis, it was always me and my father. The whole time I had great people around me. Without my parents I wouldn't be here, they totally support me, I'm really happy to have them with me. Dad was my first coach, the one who really showed me what tennis is, not just how to play, he made me fall in love.
Now my current coach is important, without him it would be impossible to be here. Family, coaches, my team, physiotherapist, fitness, everyone, we have a great spirit. This is the key to being relaxed and playing your best. I want those who are with me to be able to push me forward to help me achieve my goals."


In reality, Sinner won the 2019 edition being a year younger than the current Mensik who is about to participate.
However yes, I too have always seen several similarities in terms of characteristics between him and Sinner.
Certainly many more than there may be with Fonseca (who in Brazil in turn have been compared to Sinner in terms of characteristics).
 
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The program for Wednesday 18 December
Center Court – 12pm
Juncheng Shang vs Luca Van Assche
Alex Michelsen vs Nishesh Basavareddy (Not before 1pm)
Jakub Mensik vs Learner Tien (Not before 5pm)
Arthur Fils vs Joao Fonseca


I honestly think it's the most interesting edition in many years, it's been a long time since we've seen so many prospects with this potential participate (in particular Mensik and Fonseca).
It's just a shame that the venue cheapens everything with an almost certainly aseptic context.
 
Mensik talks about himself in an interview with the ATP website, in which he talks about his tennis, perspectives and references. Three above all: Djokovic his childhood idol, together with Berdych, Sinner the reference of today, the one who has traced a path that he personally hopes to repeat.

“The new generation is coming. With Sinner, Alcaraz and all the other young players, when I was training to try to land on the ATP Tour, I could see the level reached by this group and that helps. The game is constantly evolving and all the former Next Gen, myself and the other younger players, are bringing something new. I really like Sinner. He's a tall player like me and moves so well. I see similarities because despite my height I too can move well on the pitch. Even for the forehand, I have a similar technique and style to Jannik. I can't be like Alcaraz because he is smaller and more muscularly powerful, I am thinner. When you see a lot of tall guys on tour, they have big serves and powerful shots. My serve is also a notable weapon."

“The Next Gen Finals are a great event. I think many of the past champions are already at the top of the ATP Tour. Jannik was one of the first winners and he was also my age when he played the event, he was at the same level as me and now he is the best player in the world. It's also great to see new players trying to bring something new to tennis."

“My influences? Tomas Berdych always trained near me and when I started playing tennis, he was at his best level, so I started thanks to him. I used to watch it when I was at home. Then there were the Big 3 at the time and my favorite among them was Djokovic. He is my idol."

This mentality of Jakub, it's not just the victory that counts: “My motto is: we never lose because I learn something. I knew life on tour would be super difficult at first. Every day, every week, you basically end up losing because at the end of the tournament there can only be one winner, and that's always the case. It's very tough to stay there week after week to be the champion. The point is to trust the process. Work hard every day and be the best I can, only then you will be the winner one day.”

Mensik owes everything to the support of his family: “I have to say that from the beginning of my career, when I started playing tennis, it was always me and my father. The whole time I had great people around me. Without my parents I wouldn't be here, they totally support me, I'm really happy to have them with me. Dad was my first coach, the one who really showed me what tennis is, not just how to play, he made me fall in love.
Now my current coach is important, without him it would be impossible to be here. Family, coaches, my team, physiotherapist, fitness, everyone, we have a great spirit. This is the key to being relaxed and playing your best. I want those who are with me to be able to push me forward to help me achieve my goals."


In reality, Sinner won the 2019 edition being a year younger than the current Mensik who is about to participate.
However yes, I too have always seen several similarities in terms of characteristics between him and Sinner.
Certainly many more than there may be with Fonseca (who in Brazil in turn have been compared to Sinner in terms of characteristics).
Great insight, thanks for the heads up
 
The ATP photo shoot:


The 8 participants with President of the Saudi Tennis Federation, Arij AlMutabgani:
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The groups...

Blue Group
– Arthur Fils (1)
– Jakub Mensik (3)
– Learner Tien (5)
– Joao Fonseca (8)

Red Group
– Alex Michelsen (2)
– Shang Juncheng (4)
– Luca Van Assche (6)
– Nishesh Basavareddy (7)
What sort of points/rankings is this based on? How did Tien and Basavareddy make it in? Just on challenger tour results alone?
 
What sort of points/rankings is this based on? How did Tien and Basavareddy make it in? Just on challenger tour results alone?
I think solely based on ranking.
If you look here you will realize that the top 8 classified under 21 in real time are also the 8 participants of this edition of the Next-Gen 2024;

 
I think solely based on ranking.
If you look here you will realize that the top 8 classified under 21 in real time are also the 8 participants of this edition of the Next-Gen 2024;

Thanks. I guess that makes perfect sense... but I'm still not sure how those two are ranked that high (or higher than Fonseca), since I can't think of them getting even a half decent result.
 
Thanks. I guess that makes perfect sense... but I'm still not sure how those two are ranked that high (or higher than Fonseca), since I can't think of them getting even a half decent result.
At ATP level Tien played only 5 matches in 2024, obtaining a record of 3-2, 3 victories all obtained in the same tournament in the 250 in Winston-Salem where he reached the quarter-finals.
The rest of the points were scored between futures and above all at challenger level where in the latter category he boasts 4 finals in the season of which 3 tournaments he won.
The Challengers are obviously part of the points count in the ranking, even Fonseca himself has accumulated quite a few points in those tournaments.
 
day #1 order of play


Afternoon session
Centre Court - Starts at 2:00 pm
RR
Juncheng

CHN

Juncheng Shang
VS
Luca Van Assche
FRA

Luca

H2H
Centre Court - Not Before 3:00 pm
RR
Alex

USA

Alex Michelsen
VS
Nishesh Basavareddy
USA

Nishesh

H2H
Evening Session
Centre Court - Not Before 7:00 pm
RR
Jakub

CZE

Jakub Mensik
VS
Learner Tien
USA

Learner

H2H
Centre Court - Followed By
RR
Arthur

FRA

Arthur Fils
VS
Joao Fonseca
BRA

Joao

H2H
 
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