ATP Rule on Medical Time Outs: "During the next changeover or set break"

In the tiebreak and the rest of the match he was running everything down, as fast as always (to both corners). Del Potro called him out for it. Even Tim Henman expressed his doubt multiple times. Anyone who watched the match neutrally realized this.

By that same token, would you say Del Potro's MTO was also unjustified? Did you see him hobbling afterwards? Why pick on Nadal exclusively if not for sentimental reasons?

Anyone who watched the match neutrally watched Nadal play and lose a few shaky points (at a very delicate junction of the match) then go on as if nothing had happened. Just a harmless pull that might as well have been healed by a kiss from his mum? Analgesics? Good bandaging? I wouldn't know, but still don't see how it was for his benefit.

He misstepped, felt something, and was mentally vulnerable (because being a hypochondriac he is always worried about these things). Nadal then took a medical time-out to recompose at a time when that is only allowed for acute injuries. This was not an acute injury. Hence, gamesmanship.

The rule is perfect as it is. So is the time-between-points rule, for instance. The problem lies in enforcing the rules.

Hypochondria is a different discussion altogether, I don't think it is an unreasonable explanation, given what little we know about Nadal's psychology and how injuries have affected his career.

The rule leaves the decision to the trainer, and any health professional worth the name will tend to err on the side of caution until a thorough diagnosis can be performed before calling out an hypochondriac. It is difficult to see how any trainer is going to deny any player a MTO if he asks for it.
 
This is a very good point actually. Instead of all this grey BS rules surrounding MTOs, why not just dispense with them altogether which will make it fair for all. If for any reason you cannot continue to play, be it cramps, misstep, twist, crunch, etc, etc and it affects your game, then stop playing and forfeit the match. Any delays and you're out. Simple as that.

Yeah, what a great idea. So just because people think that Rafa faked it, let's totally get rid of medical timeouts so that when players do have what you approve of as a legitimate injury that can be treated and play can resume so the spectators can watch tennis, they go untreated and the player is forced to retire and the spectators lose out.

Yeah, what a great idea.
 
Yeah, what a great idea. So just because people think that Rafa faked it, let's totally get rid of medical timeouts so that when players do have what you approve of as a legitimate injury that can be treated and play can resume so the spectators can watch tennis, they go untreated and the player is forced to retire and the spectators lose out.

Yeah, what a great idea.

No not only because of Rafa. I'm not even saying Rafa cheated or anything. But surely people have used MTOs for strategic purposes. Why have them? Fitness is just as important as tennis skill. You snooze you lose. Forget about treatment. You need to pay a price for having an injury, just as you would for a sporadic forehand. That price is the match. Then you go get treated, get healthy and comeback so it doesn't happen again.
 
This is a very good point actually. Instead of all this grey BS rules surrounding MTOs, why not just dispense with them altogether which will make it fair for all. If for any reason you cannot continue to play, be it cramps, misstep, twist, crunch, etc, etc and it affects your game, then stop playing and forfeit the match. Any delays and you're out. Simple as that.

That's certainly a possibility, but I don't think it has anything to do with fairness, since the rule is the same for everyone.

Banishing MTOs would benefit those players most resilient to injuries, for one reason or another: technique, conditioning, genetics, good scheduling... It would also favor players that are mentally not strong enough to prevent their rhythm to be affected by the pause.

In the end, whether that is good or bad for the game is arguable.
 
Yes, Nadal should not be given the MTO, but later in the match Del Potro also took MTO and it is during a game, so umpire is wrong both times. You should noted this in your post too.


Yes, Delpo took MTO in the 2nd set, too. And also he won the set.

I saw that Murray took MTO several times recently. And he won the matches.


Why are people always clamoring about only Nadal's?


I do not want to criticize a player, I have a lot of respect for all of players.
My annoying things are just such fans...:evil:
 
That's certainly a possibility, but I don't think it has anything to do with fairness, since the rule is the same for everyone.

Banishing MTOs would benefit those players most resilient to injuries, for one reason or another: technique, conditioning, genetics, good scheduling... It would also favor players that are mentally not strong enough to prevent their rhythm to be affected by the pause.

In the end, whether that is good or bad for the game is arguable.

This is precisely the reason MTOs should be removed. As far as I can see, having MTOs punishes those resilient to injury (which is a skill) indirectly by favouring those that constantly are getting injured, taking extra time here and there. It's just too much. Why isn't fitness given a higher premium I ask!? You can't take the heat, get off of the damn court.
 
because nadal exploits them and others take them when necessity dictates



Yes, Delpo took MTO in the 2nd set, too. And also he won the set.

I saw that Murray took MTO several times recently. And he won the matches.


Why are people always clamoring about only Nadal's?


I do not want to criticize a player, I have a lot of respect for all of players.
My annoying things are just such fans...:evil:
 
This is precisely the reason MTOs should be removed. As far as I can see, having MTOs punishes those resilient to injury (which is a skill) indirectly by favouring those that constantly are getting injured, taking extra time here and there. It's just too much. Why isn't fitness given a higher premium I ask!? You can't take the heat, get off of the damn court.

You could make exactly the same argument about mental fortitude: if you can't take a three minute pause without your game going to shambles, you are not worthy.

So what kind of strength should be more rewarded?
 
This is precisely the reason MTOs should be removed. As far as I can see, having MTOs punishes those resilient to injury (which is a skill) indirectly by favouring those that constantly are getting injured, taking extra time here and there. It's just too much. Why isn't fitness given a higher premium I ask!? You can't take the heat, get off of the damn court.

Right, because Rafa's issue yesterday was so heat related.
 
You could make exactly the same argument about mental fortitude: if you can't take a three minute pause without your game going to shambles, you are not worthy.

So what kind of strength should be more rewarded?

I agree, you are indeed not worthy, and that kind of lapse will cost you the game. So be it. But why should there be a pause in the first place? Rain delay? Wind? Those are all fine, they are natural and are not up to anybody. If you lapse after such a pause then you will pay for it. And importantly, such natural pauses are the same for both.

But injury is something personal and you have to own it. An injury has the potential to be concocted. Not saying that Nadal did, but there is room for foul play. So remove MTOs and even the playing field and in fact do more justice by rewarding those resilient to injury since fitness is indeed part of the game.

A pause caused by injury precedes the mental lapse. Therein lies the key difference.
 
Take it when you are behind:

-trying to cheat your way back in and break your opponent's flow.

Take it when you are in front:

-trying to gain a upper hand even though you are ahead. Plus no one will be suspicious since you are already ahead.

I think we should scrape MTO's alltogether.

I mean there isn't a legit time for it in any tennis match apparently.

Nadal would never win another final. Its essential to his game plan.
 
Fact of the matter is the injury was obviously not serious. I'm sure Nadal felt something, but he knew it wasn't serious. He called for the trainer anyways since it was going to benefit him either way.

But wait, I thought the plan was for Nadal to make Delpo wait before tiebreak.

Anyway, it benefited him so that was behind for most of the TB and had Delpo not missed a couple of routine FH and DF on SP, he would lost it.
 
Yes I do. You're looking at this from the point of view of a spectator that doesn't like Nadal.

I am looking at it as an international chair umpire with a lot of experience that actually knows the rules and procedures.

I'm confused why the thread didn't end with this post. Do we really need 8+ more pages of this?

I don't love Rafa's timing of MTOs...I think sometimes they can be suspect. However, it's pretty clear Rafa is within the rules since an ITF CHAIR UMPIRE is telling us so.

I'll listen to Woodrow here over anyone else on this board about matters like this.
 
I'm confused why the thread didn't end with this post. Do we really need 8+ more pages of this?

I don't love Rafa's timing of MTOs...I think sometimes they can be suspect. However, it's pretty clear Rafa is within the rules since an ITF CHAIR UMPIRE is telling us so.

I'll listen to Woodrow here over anyone else on this board about matters like this.

No surprise. These boards are full of amateur tennis players that try to advise world class players on tennis strategy so why wouldn't they argue with an international chair umpire?
 
Yeah, what a great idea. So just because people think that Rafa faked it, let's totally get rid of medical timeouts so that when players do have what you approve of as a legitimate injury that can be treated and play can resume so the spectators can watch tennis, they go untreated and the player is forced to retire and the spectators lose out.

Yeah, what a great idea.

Actually, that isn't so bad of an idea. You either play through your injury or quit. It is not the opponents fault that you got injured, and the opponent should not suffer any consequences (such as loss of momentum) for the injury. The same goes for time wasting/toweling off/ball bouncing. It is not the opponents fault that you are tired, except for the fact that he made you tired because you weren't good enough. It would stop all of this gamesmanship nonsense immediately. Man up or go home.
 
Actually, that isn't so bad of an idea. You either play through your injury or quit. It is not the opponents fault that you got injured, and the opponent should not suffer any consequences (such as loss of momentum) for the injury. The same goes for time wasting/toweling off/ball bouncing. It is not the opponents fault that you are tired, except for the fact that he made you tired because you weren't good enough. It would stop all of this gamesmanship nonsense immediately. Man up or go home.

Yes it would be a bad idea. Imagine, grand slam final, a player has a blister develop on his foot that bursts. Not really an injury due to lack of conditioning or lack of fitness. Player is having trouble playing with the pain. Now, the trainer can be called out and treat it in a few minutes and the player can go back and play a quality match, or the player can either play with the pain possibly risking more injury, or retire.

Hmm. I'm going with leaving medical timeouts in the rules.

Furthermore, it's a bunch of people on a discussion forum saying it's gamesmanship. That doesn't necessarily mean that it was.
 
Yes it would be a bad idea. Imagine, grand slam final, a player has a blister develop on his foot that bursts. Not really an injury due to lack of conditioning or lack of fitness. Player is having trouble playing with the pain. Now, the trainer can be called out and treat it in a few minutes and the player can go back and play a quality match, or the player can either play with the pain possibly risking more injury, or retire.

Hmm. I'm going with leaving medical timeouts in the rules.

Furthermore, it's a bunch of people on a discussion forum saying it's gamesmanship. That doesn't necessarily mean that it was.

Why would a blister develop? Poor fitting shoes? Bad genes? Bad luck? (just like a netcord?) One needs to pay for one's frailties and sometimes shiit happens. Deal with it.
 
Why would a blister develop? Poor fitting shoes? Bad genes? Bad luck? (just like a netcord?) One needs to pay for one's frailties and sometimes shiit happens. Deal with it.

Tell that to the ATP, ITF and WTA, the TV networks, the spectators that paid a lot of money for tickets to go see the matches, the tournament, the players.

Sometimes shiit happens, correct. And the players will retire from the matches when they severely hurt themselves and can't continue after treatment. But when you take something that may be out of their control and force them to risk more injury or retire when treatment of a few minutes could solve it and give everybody a match, your logic doesn't add up. Deal with it.
 
Tell that to the ATP, ITF and WTA, the TV networks, the spectators that paid a lot of money for tickets to go see the matches, the tournament, the players.

Sometimes shiit happens, correct. And the players will retire from the matches when they severely hurt themselves and can't continue after treatment. But when you take something that may be out of their control and force them to risk more injury or retire when treatment of a few minutes could solve it and give everybody a match, your logic doesn't add up. Deal with it.

Yeah ultimately it's all about the money, not tennis. If the idiot spectators didn't accept the outrageous prices to watch tennis, then none of this would occur. Men would still be men.
 
Yeah ultimately it's all about the money, not tennis. If the idiot spectators didn't accept the outrageous prices to watch tennis, then none of this would occur. Men would still be men.

Ok, you are sounding more and more stupid by the minute.

This whole thread started with someone not understanding that they need to read the whole rule to be able to understand it correctly, turned into a heated, yet legitimate argument over the application of the rule, then turned into a "Nadal is a cheater" thread, now it is just getting moronic.

I have contributed all I can on this topic, and I think I am done with this one.
 
I'm confused why the thread didn't end with this post. Do we really need 8+ more pages of this?

I don't love Rafa's timing of MTOs...I think sometimes they can be suspect. However, it's pretty clear Rafa is within the rules since an ITF CHAIR UMPIRE is telling us so.

I'll listen to Woodrow here over anyone else on this board about matters like this.

He's always been within the rules yet if you check out the pro players section currently there are at least 20 Nadal MTO-related hate threads that the moderators are letting go :)

It's good for business, I guess

Bud, sorry for that comment yesterday. I looked back on that this morning and realized I had you confused with a different poster. My bad.

No problem :smile:
 
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Ok, you are sounding more and more stupid by the minute.

This whole thread started with someone not understanding that they need to read the whole rule to be able to understand it correctly, turned into a heated, yet legitimate argument over the application of the rule, then turned into a "Nadal is a cheater" thread, now it is just getting moronic.

I have contributed all I can on this topic, and I think I am done with this one.

Hey don't get mad at me because you're a whiny wuss who is in favour of MTOs. Back in the old days people just played, there was no tape, no timeouts, etc, etc. Now it's just a bunch of cry babies playing the game. Just like today's kids everyone is soft and there will be a price to pay for it.
 
He's always been within the rules yet if you check out the pro players section currently there are at least 20 Nadal MTO-related hate threads that the moderators are letting go :)

It's good for business, I guess

Bud, sorry for that comment yesterday. I looked back on that this morning and realized I had you confused with a different poster. My bad.
 
Hey don't get mad at me because you're a whiny wuss who is in favour of MTOs. Back in the old days people just played, there was no tape, no timeouts, etc, etc. Now it's just a bunch of cry babies playing the game. Just like today's kids everyone is soft and there will be a price to pay for it.

Wow. I can tell you are going to be a valuable asset to this website.
 
Hey don't get mad at me because you're a whiny wuss who is in favour of MTOs. Back in the old days people just played, there was no tape, no timeouts, etc, etc. Now it's just a bunch of cry babies playing the game. Just like today's kids everyone is soft and there will be a price to pay for it.

Dude, I think you are crossing the line here, the game has change so much, tennis become more gruelling sport, by your logic, everyone should stick to the old style, using wooden racquet ..etc,
 
Dude, I think you are crossing the line here, the game has change so much, tennis become more gruelling sport, by your logic, everyone should stick to the old style, using wooden racquet ..etc,

More gruelling? Are you kidding me? In the old days they didn't even have chairs. Tennis is for softies only now.
 
He's always been within the rules yet if you check out the pro players section currently there are at least 20 Nadal MTO-related hate threads that the moderators are letting go :)

It's good for business, I guess

I'm well aware that he's within the rules, but it doesn't mean that I (or anyone else) has to like or appreciate it.

Lots is done within the rules that is also gamesmanship and pushing the envelope. Rafa, like countless other players on tour, is definitely guilty of gamesmanship and pushing certain things (time between points, MTOs, etc.) to the limits.

The point remains that people need to STFU about "breaking rules" and "cheating" when you get an authority on the subject saying it's not the case. Sadly, this board has a big time problem with authority, so the 4.0s that have watched and played tennis for a long time consider themselves authorities, and we get messes like this thread.

It's the QFs of Wimbledon, the biggest event in the sport. Can't we move on to the actual matches that are coming up tomorrow?
 
Somehow, I have never understood how crying makes you sissy. There is nothing wrong or sissy about expressing raw human emotion in the form of tears . It's funny how racket-breaking or screaming, scowling , glaring , cheering, isn't considered 'sissy' but crying for some reason is. I think it is wonderful to see some men NOT pretend to be 'cool' or ' macho' and confirm with stereotypes.
Exactly! Sissies are the guys that are TOO AFRAID to cry in public.

Also, guys that constantly call the trainer for every little thing, even an itch on their foot, are the real sissies. :shock:
 
So Nadal shouldn't call MTO's under any circumstance,right?

He can only call them when the set is done, only on his own serve trying at the same time to not disturb the delicate sensibilities of the opponent or GOD FORBID! change the momentum.
If one of his limbs falls off onto the court, then it's OK for him to call a MTO. :lol:
 
Look..I started this thread in the interest of discussing the rule and I think some good has come from it. We all have learned a bit about the MTO rules and that’s a positive thing.

In any case, much bad also has come from it including the usual allegations of hidden agendas (wrongfully placed at least as they were directed at me) and everyone attacking each other.

I am a Fed fan, not a Nadal fan, and I thought from the first few minutes of seeing the incident that Nadal had a legitimate injury, or at the very least was under the belief that he had a legitimate injury. I did not think that he asked the ump for attention in order to “ice” Delpo or whatever term you would like to ascribe to the situation.

Of course, as is often the case on this board, there is a kill the messenger attitude rather than a let’s pitch in politely and try to see if we can’t intelligently flush out the issue and find some common ground. This relates to attitude and tone and these qualities have degenerated on this board in recent times. For example, a Nadal fan started a “who is your favorite player” thread yesterday in a very polite way. I thanked him for doing so. Not surprisingly, within two pages, his thread was hijacked and trolled by someone who appeared to be a Soderling fan but greatly disliked NAdal. Unfortunately, there are more of these types of threads these days than simple, polite discourse that leads to something productive. And, no, saying you “own” someone isn’t polite, productive, and doesn't display anything positive about the person who says it. Rather, it borders on juvenile.

In any case, I’m not saying that Nadal hasn’t used gamesmanship in the past (lest I be attacked by Fed fans). Likewise, I definitely don’t think that this was an incident of gamesmanship. I think Nadal, as I said yesterday before even starting this thread, was legitimately seeking medical attention. Moreover, the rules were followed in this case. That should be the end of it…at least as it applies to yesterday’s incident. If you want to discuss other alleged incidents, please start your own thread.
 
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Take it when you are behind:

-trying to cheat your way back in and break your opponent's flow.

Take it when you are in front:

-trying to gain a upper hand even though you are ahead. Plus no one will be suspicious since you are already ahead.

I think we should scrape MTO's alltogether.

I mean there isn't a legit time for it in any tennis match apparently.
How is 6-6 being in front? :confused:

It doesn't matter when you call for the trainer, what matters is when you actually take it. Calling for the trainer doesn't disrupt your opponent's rhythm, actually taking it does! He knew that the set would most likely go to a tiebreak, so he called ahead so that he could take the MTO right before the tiebreak to freeze Del Potro.

Besides, I've seen Nadal call for the trainer when he was behind, but then by the time the trainer arrived, he came back and was now ahead, so he calls off the trainer because somehow magically his injury got better on its own just because he was now ahead. If you deny seeing this yourself then you're not being honest. Everyone, including you, knows that some of the stuff Nadal does is indefensible and reprehensible.
 
If it's ATP rules then they are of no meaning at WIm, because it's an ITF event, as it was in RG (see Fognini case).
 
Yeah, what a great idea. So just because people think that Rafa faked it, let's totally get rid of medical timeouts so that when players do have what you approve of as a legitimate injury that can be treated and play can resume so the spectators can watch tennis, they go untreated and the player is forced to retire and the spectators lose out.

Yeah, what a great idea.
How about not allowing retirements either? Play to the death, just like real gladiators. :) ;-)
 
Yes, Delpo took MTO in the 2nd set, too. And also he won the set.
Del Potro took his MTO in the 3rs set.....and LOST the set.

Besides, did you not REALLY see him take a huge nasty fall? Have you ever fallen hard on the ground from 6' 7" high?
 
Yes it would be a bad idea. Imagine, grand slam final, a player has a blister develop on his foot that bursts. Not really an injury due to lack of conditioning or lack of fitness. Player is having trouble playing with the pain. Now, the trainer can be called out and treat it in a few minutes and the player can go back and play a quality match, or the player can either play with the pain possibly risking more injury, or retire.

Hmm. I'm going with leaving medical timeouts in the rules.

Furthermore, it's a bunch of people on a discussion forum saying it's gamesmanship. That doesn't necessarily mean that it was.
I don't think you can really risk more injury from a blister. And I also think blisters are indeed a lack of conditioning. If you were well conditioned, you should have callouses everywhere so that you don't get blisters. I never get blisters on my feet because both my feet by now are just giant callouses. :shock: :)
 
Dude, I think you are crossing the line here, the game has change so much, tennis become more gruelling sport, by your logic, everyone should stick to the old style, using wooden racquet ..etc,
That's what McEnroe, Navratilova, and I, among many others say! :)
 
Rafa was well within his rights. You feel pain: you ask to get treated and check it out. Perfectly normal and any player would have done the same. The MTO was AGAINST his own interests. Delpo went up to a flying start in TB.
Completely unrelated to Rafa's problems if Delpo choked the end of the TB (despite having a set point). He lost the 3rd set TB the same way due to no Rafa MTO.
If it was a tactic, then Rafa would have taken a MTO in the 2nd set when he got broken, which he didn't do of course.
As for granting an MTO at any given moment, it's the ump's decision, not the player's. So even if one had an issue with that, they should take it up with Ramos, not Nadal.
 
Looks like someone can't keep their word ('I think I'm done', yeah right), no wonder you side with Nadal. Like sticks with like.

So you wrote that because you thought that I was not going to respond to an attack on me? You are an idiot. Show me one instance in this thread where I sided with Nadal. I can show you many instances in the thread where I sided with the rule, the ruling, the umpire and trainer, but show me where I sided with Nadal.
 
By that same token, would you say Del Potro's MTO was also unjustified? Did you see him hobbling afterwards? Why pick on Nadal exclusively if not for sentimental reasons?

I don't really want to go into Del Potro's MTO (which also happened behind the scenes more), because I've got less of an opinion of it and less of a clear idea about it. I'm equally fan or non-fan of Del Potro and Nadal, by the way, so sentimentality has nothing to do with it. Still, if you want to know, personally I thought there were three crucial differences: 1) Del Potro's injury, in contrast with Nadal's, was acute: he couldn't get up and walk properly anymore (or he was a better actor!); 2) it was at a much less crucial junction in the match; 3) this may very well be a personal interpretation, but I found him hampered for the rest of the match (in contrast with Nadal), having the impression that he swung less from the hip and let his arm/wrist do the work. I wouldn't dare make a judgment on this one though, even though I think those first two things are rather important differences.

Anyone who watched the match neutrally watched Nadal play and lose a few shaky points (at a very delicate junction of the match) then go on as if nothing had happened. Just a harmless pull that might as well have been healed by a kiss from his mum? Analgesics? Good bandaging? I wouldn't know, but still don't see how it was for his benefit.

Agreed; but it was to his benefit because he could take the time to mentally recompose before going into the tie-break. He was, as you said, mentally shaken a bit, and was likely genuinely a bit worried. That pull was in his mind; mentally, he wouldn't win a directly ensuing tie-break like that. So he took a time-out that is normally only meant for acute injuries. Sportsmanlike conduct would be: realizing that he could still play, that there was nothing acute about it, and getting on with business. The gamesmanship here was abusing an existing rule (meant for another type of injury) to sit down, let someone look at it and put your own mind at rest, regardless of what it does to your opponent.

Hypochondria is a different discussion altogether, I don't think it is an unreasonable explanation, given what little we know about Nadal's psychology and how injuries have affected his career.

Indeed, and we're heading into the realm of interpretation here. I'm a trusting person by nature, so it took a lot of Nadal's MTO's to make me look into something more here. And still it wouldn't surprise me at all if in this instance Nadal himself really believed what he was doing and saying (how he didn't lie, etc.). That said, I think he also knew very well his MTO was rather dodgy. But hypochondria would make sense of a lot of it; I'm not into psychology but perhaps his injuries are the one thing that he doesn't have in OCD-hand, and perhaps that's why he freaks out even if he misplaces his foot a tiny bit. But again, disregard what I just said, because it just isn't to the point, and it's speculation - as are 95% of all these MTO threads (from both pro- and anti-Nadal fans).

The rule leaves the decision to the trainer, and any health professional worth the name will tend to err on the side of caution until a thorough diagnosis can be performed before calling out an hypochondriac. It is difficult to see how any trainer is going to deny any player a MTO if he asks for it.

I agree entirely. This is also why I'm convinced it was gamesmanship: Nadal knew very well that there already was a medical time-out before there ever was one.
What happened yesterday was both:
- within the rules: umpire called trainer, trainer looked at it, eventually called it a medical time-out - yes, the whole procedure was followed correctly, as Woodrow was quick to make clear.
- outside the rules: because there was no acute injury at all (as the remainder of the match & the MTI have made clear). But the trainer made it "legal"; as you said, he can't deny an MTO at that point. It follows that there was gamesmanship from Nadal not to start the tie-break immediately. All the rest that is dragged in here by pro- and anti-Nadalfans here is irrelevant.

PS 1: just to be clear, there's no problem with the rule itself whatsoever. But the case yesterday has shown that the rule presupposes some form of sportsmanlike behaviour from the player himself.

PS 2: I could make a whole list of irrelevant arguments about this in this thread, but one I'll single out: you can't use who won what points in the tie-break. It could be 7-0 for Nadal, it could be 7-0 for Del Potro; it remains gamesmanship, because at the time he took a break for the purpose of mental recomposure, not an acute physical injury which the time-out was meant for according to the rules.
 
An injury has the potential to be concocted. Not saying that Nadal did, but there is room for foul play. So remove MTOs and even the playing field and in fact do more justice by rewarding those resilient to injury since fitness is indeed part of the game.

Ah, but you are missing an important point... If you remove MTOs, not only you lose valuable minutes of quality tennis. You miss weeks and weeks of dozens of 400+ post threads about the issue in web forums.

Nah, gamesmanship opportunities must remain... (looks nobly towards the horizon) ... for the trolling!!!!

(hordes and hordes of fresh green trolls behind him start to charge brandishing their clubs and yelling)

FOR THE TROLLING!!!!
 
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