ATP Rule on Medical Time Outs: "During the next changeover or set break"

[woodrow1029]

On the ESPN3 replay, Trainer got to the court and started evaluating at 11:20. at approx. 15:00, the trainer looked up at the chair umpire and said we will take the medical time out and then started getting his supplies ready. It's impossible to know EXACTLY what second the treatment started becasue they cut over to the Federer Youzhny tiebreak. As the trainer proceeded to ask the doctor a few more questions before they cut to the Federer match, I am assuming treatment started sometime around 16:00-16:30. After treatment is complete, the player has additional time to put on his sock and shoe.

Umpire called time at 19:50.

Nothing shocking with that timeframe.

 

[cucio]

The difference here is that Woodrow has walked the walk, he understands how things work in practice, the showbiz and start system in place and the realistic implications that some of those changes would bring. He has studied and experimented some of changes in the rules in his career and he has first- or maybe second-hand experience on their consequences. His comments are thus well informed and pragmatic, and should be respected in principle, even if you may disagree.

When some posters here start to fire wild ideas and proposals it is painfully clear they have no clue about how they would actually affect the players, the officials, the audience or the media.

 

[mellowyellow]

On the ESPN3 replay, Trainer got to the court and started evaluating at 11:20. at approx. 15:00, the trainer looked up at the chair umpire and said we will take the medical time out and then started getting his supplies ready. It's impossible to know EXACTLY what second the treatment started becasue they cut over to the Federer Youzhny tiebreak. As the trainer proceeded to ask the doctor a few more questions before they cut to the Federer match, I am assuming treatment started sometime around 16:00-16:30. After treatment is complete, the player has additional time to put on his sock and shoe.

Umpire called time at 19:50.

Nothing shocking with that timeframe.

My understanding is that the treatment starts as soon as its asked for by the trainer.
So at 15:00 is when official injury timeout should start, meaning he should be done at 18:00? So then you have 30 sec to start a point, the Umpire is suppose to audibly announce 2, 1, 30 sec. and time or something like that. This seems to not have happened either. It just seems funny that this guy ghas a history about this bs, last year they made a point of not letting players take MTO/ bathroom break at end of sets or only on change overs. Now you have what seems to be a very lax hand on a habitual rules breaker that was already warned in this match .....

 

[woodrow1029]

My understanding is that the treatment starts as soon as its asked for by the trainer.
So at 15:00 is when official injury timeout should start, meaning he should be done at 18:00? So then you have 30 sec to start a point, the Umpire is suppose to audibly announce 2, 1, 30 sec. and time or something like that. This seems to not have happened either. It just seems funny that this guy ghas a history about this bs, last year they made a point of not letting players take MTO/ bathroom break at end of sets or only on change overs. Now you have what seems to be a very lax hand on a habitual rules breaker that was already warned in this match .....

Actually you continue to not know the rules or procedures. The umpires have not announced in the microphone 2 minutes one minute thirty seconds in about 7 years.

Treatment starts when the trainer finishes diagnosis and is ready with supplies etc to start treatment and treatment actually starts.

Bathroom breaks are very different from medical timeouts.

But feel free to keep posting incorrect misinformed information. It's quite funny actually.

 

[mellowyellow]

I am not professing to know anything, that is why I said my understanding. The count down is still in the rules book. So how does the umpire know when to start time if its not when the MTO is asked for? BTW this has been mostly me asking and you either verifying or not, I have just been picking your brain because you seem to know from experience. Is their any talk about a reasonable amount of time for assessment?

 

[woodrow1029]

The countdown is still in the ITF Duties and Procedures Rulebook; however, it is not a public announcement. It is only a non-microphone countdown to the players and trainer to keep them aware of the time remaining as follows:

c To keep the opponent and Trainer advised of the time remaining during the
Medical Time-Out, the Chair Umpire shall communicate to them (no public
announcement):
“Two minutes remaining”
“One minute remaining”
“Thirty seconds remaining”
“Treatment complete”

The umpire knows when to start the 3:00 Medical Timeout when the trainer says something like, "Ok, I'm starting."

 

[mellowyellow]

Ohh, I dod not see the (no public
announcement): in what I viewed. Thank you for enlightening everyone to the procedures. I know sometimes the way I word things can come off aggressive, so sorry for that.

 

[Bartelby]

See you can quote from Procedures when it suits you.

The countdown is still in the ITF Duties and Procedures Rulebook; however, it is not a public announcement. It is only a non-microphone countdown to the players and trainer to keep them aware of the time remaining as follows:

c To keep the opponent and Trainer advised of the time remaining during the
Medical Time-Out, the Chair Umpire shall communicate to them (no public
announcement):
“Two minutes remaining”
“One minute remaining”
“Thirty seconds remaining”
“Treatment complete”

The umpire knows when to start the 3:00 Medical Timeout when the trainer says something like, "Ok, I'm starting."