ATP weeks of 03/08 - 03/19: Indian Wells (1000)

IW’23 Men’s Singles Champion


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Usually called reverse serve.

So hitting a serve on the inside of the ball, not the outside - fascinating. I see no purpose or advantage to doing that, which is why it's incredibly rare. I mean, if you're cruising in a match and feeling bored or cocky and want to hit a wild trick shot for no real reason, go nuts...
 
I think Alcaraz will get through FAA with ease though Fritz vs Sinner should be very tight. Thoughts on who takes this one?
I would think Sinner would do well against Fritz, since I think he's much stronger in a neutral rally, but I see Fritz beat him pretty in pretty straightforward fashion last year. Tough to call.

Very interesting quarter finals are coming. Some illustrious names will not be there, but there are some good players and 3 of the 4 matches are very evenly matched a priori.

Norrie vs Tiafoe. Cameron does not have an attractive style of play but he is a solid guy, tough, fighter, who trusts himself a lot. Two or three years ago he started making a bit of a grandiose, "I want to be number one" kind of statement. We all laughed at him, but here he is, a consolidated top 15 player for the last two years and winner of this very tournament in 2021. He will face the American Tiafoe, who is always a top performer in his home country. I predict 3 sets... and I bet for Frances.
This is really a clash of styles and personalities. Norrie just looks so stiff and unattractive (his tennis) to me, especially that annoying backhand take back (or whatever you want to call it). That his shorts look like a 1980's bathing suit don't help either. I generally don't even like watching his matches, but Tiafoe always makes things interesting. And I also sort of feel bad for Norrie, because he is essentially ignored by the British media, despite being their best current player, male or female, by a mile.

I would actually say that he has that in common with Tiafoe. Norrie is overlooked by the British media, while Tiafoe doesn't get as much attention in the American press as you would think he deserves, considering his fun style of play, personality, and background.
 
At this very point in the match, this is a big match for Tiafoe. Before the match, I would have said he's not seeded to win, he's already won three matches, made the QFs and gotten further than his seed. But now, up a set and a break, it's important for him to win, even if everything I already said would remain true if he lost. He's let truly winnable matches like this slip when ahead - that Wimbledon match last year; Fritz last summer. Not awful losses, but if he's gonna rise another level, he's got to win these matches when in position.
 
Saving myself for the Med match later but how's Norrie looking? 6-4 set doesn't look overly one-sided and I see that Norrie just broke back in the second. Any chance of a fight back orTiafoe in form enough to see this out?
 
He did that last year at Wimbledon when Goffin broke him back - he hits to open court where the person is sitting. He should have gone up the line there.
 
Saving myself for the Med match later but how's Norrie looking? 6-4 set doesn't look overly one-sided and I see that Norrie just broke back in the second. Any chance of a fight back orTiafoe in form enough to see this out?
Tiafoe has been playing well, but he's not that much above Norrie in his match that Norrie can't win.
 
I'll say it again, it just seems like Tiafoe has improved his movement. And like I also say, not that it makes him one of the elite movers. Maybe he just has more time because the court is slower, but overall, I still think I see a marked improvement.
 
What's an inverted serve??

Can't believe nobody caught it... It's basically a lefty slice played with your right hand - what Kyrgios and some others would occasionally do on easy overheads. Don't recall ever seeing it on a first serve at this level though... and in such a big spot (had been a very long game with tons of deuces and a number of BPs saved)

 
I'm sorry but you are absolutely wrong. Of course Munar wasn't ever gonna get to that ball - neither was Nadal in that famous 2013 RG semifinal - but that has absolutely nothing to do with the rule. The ball is in play until it bounces twice or exits the court. Period.

Besides, the umpire was clearly confused and/or unaware of the rule, as she initially stated "it touched the net after he hit it", as can be seen from the video.

Most importantly, why are we still talking about this?
ok I guess I was wrong about the rule. But take a look at this:
I guess same situation. It's just a bad look when the umpire can't rule on an obvious result of the point and has to wait for the opponent to concede the point. There should be a rule that if the player drop the racquet and touch the ground then the racquet is no longer part of the match or something.

The only reason why play is over when the ball goes out of court or the point is over when the ball hit the player is prob to prevent players from arguing there is no first or second bounce so the point is not over. It's just a bad look if the ATP has to make rule for every situation where there's no first or second bounce but the point is clearly decided. It goes against the spirit of the sport.

Anyways I had to vent because I had to long argument with another guy who can't see past the rule book. Maybe it's because I play casual tennis only so most of the time I play just to have fun not to ding people for stepping on the line while serving etc.
 
Norrie looks like he'd be really frustrating to play with those flat, gliding shots. It used to be so much more common. Even someone who hits the snot off the ball like Sinner - it's still a "shaped" shot and just visually looks more familiar with the greater arch (even if the arch sometimes isn't that pronounced).
 
I could see Foe taking down Medvedev believe it or not. The questions that Daniil and Cam ask of their opponents are ones which Tiafoe is uniquely equipped to answer - he has a good slice, eager to come to net, no issues generating his own pace if needed, good racquet skills.

Still Franky is just very unstable and can give away service games quite easily. Good win nonetheless.
 
Norrie is so much the better player, but he hasn't shown it this match (so far).
Foe is superior to Norrie talent wise. But the latter has his work ethic and mental strength to fall back on and I’ll be the first to give him credit for getting the most out of his game given his obvious limitations.
 
I could see Foe taking down Medvedev believe it or not.
I think Med gives him a comfortable rally ball in terms of speed and spin and height, but Med is Med - he can track down enough balls to force errors from opponent's who press. Plus he can get some free points on serve and occasionally be the aggressor in the point.

And that's assuming Tiafoe is even playing Med. ADF seems to be playing well, plus Med must be a bit gassed from yesterday. But he always competes well.
 
Foe is superior to Norrie talent wise. But the latter has his work ethic and mental strength to fall back on and I’ll be the first to give him credit for getting the most out of his game given his obvious limitations.
I'm a much bigger fan of Tiafoe than Norrie, but what's THAT superior about Tiafoe's game? "Talent" is such an ambiguous term.
 
I think Med gives him a comfortable rally ball in terms of speed and spin and height, but Med is Med - he can track down enough balls to force errors from opponent's who press. Plus he can get some free points on serve and occasionally be the aggressor in the point.

And that's assuming Tiafoe is even playing Med. ADF seems to be playing well, plus Med must be a bit gassed from yesterday. But he always competes well.
All that said, yeah, I could see Tiafoe pulling the upset if he's playing Med. ADF might be a worse opponent in terms of pressure. A real chance to make a Masters final and against ADF, Foe would be expected to based on seeding.
 
All that said, yeah, I could see Tiafoe pulling the upset if he's playing Med. ADF might be a worse opponent in terms of pressure. A real chance to make a Masters final and against ADF, Foe would be expected to based on seeding.
Tiafoe isn’t getting past Med.
 
Tiafoe isn’t getting past Med.
I have to say I haven't thought much about the Tiafoe-Medvedev matchup. If Tiafoe can get Med to hit short and make it to net, I like his chances. If Med's hitting deep and Tiafoe is content to try and hang with him from the baseline, I think this is an easy Med victory. Of course, that's what I think whenever anyone plays Med. Tiafoe should call up Korda for some pointers on how to take it to the Russian.
 
I have to say I haven't thought much about the Tiafoe-Medvedev matchup. If Tiafoe can get Med to hit short and make it to net, I like his chances. If Med's hitting deep and Tiafoe is content to try and hang with him from the baseline, I think this is an easy Med victory. Of course, that's what I think whenever anyone plays Med. Tiafoe should call up Korda for some pointers on how to take it to the Russian.
With Daniil’s current form and his play up to now in IW, I have little doubt he will win. But this is tennis. You never know. On this occasion I would be surprised if Tiafoe can take a set.
 
For an extremely tall man Med is an exceptional mover on court.
He only missed the underarm serve because he over-played it. He was there in plenty of time.
 
Medvedev looks really solid. ADF began really weak, but he seems to have realized the key to this matchup from his perspective: the net.
 
Honestly if Medvedev keeps his level like this, he's winning the US open. Always a question mark over him at RG and Wimbledon but who knows? Maybe this year he'll surprise us?
 
Honestly if Medvedev keeps his level like this, he's winning the US open. Always a question mark over him at RG and Wimbledon but who knows? Maybe this year he'll surprise us?

The big question is if he is peaking too early in the season. Also, he should win at least one of the two sunshine masters. If he loses both, it does kill his momentum. You can't be the top guy just by winning a few 500s but not winning at the bigger events.
 
ADF should really go for variety, he must get Med to the net/approach it himself much more. That’s his only (small, small) chance. Baseline rallies won’t do him any good. Also, isn’t it weird how ADF with his playing style can rack up so many UEs?
 
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ADF should really go for variety, he must get Med to the net/approach it himself much more. That’s his only (small, small) chance. Baseline rallies won’t do in any good. Also, isn’t it weird how ADF with his playing style can rack up so many UEs?

Against the Med Man, everyone will rack up many more UEs than their average.
 
I haven't been watching a lot of Med but he seems to getting really good mileage
out of his net approaches with vollies. He should do it more often I think.

Oh and Fokina seems to have a thing for hitting sitters into the net. :)
 
I didn't see it. What caused the Med delay in the last game?

Seems like quite a double standard at play at Indian Wells.
Not too long ago I remember fans being kicked out of matches simply for wearing a t-shirt making a political statement.
Indian Wells proudly promoting two flags above court 1 stadium (U.S. and Ukraine). If that isn't a political statement I don't know what is.
 
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