My first post goes to that crazy drop shot.
My goodness
Kei wins! Great performance and what a match, 3 sets!!!
Djoko's in his own godmode, true. But if Nishi can play 3 sets like he played the 3rd, he can even beat Djoko. Big ask. But it's possible.Kei played brilliantly in that 3rd set.
If he shows that form to Djokovic, he might have a chance to push Djokovic.
Wait, so what happens now? Kei beat Ferrer but does it even count? I want Kei to go through, together with Fed.
Wait, so what happens now? Kei beat Ferrer but does it even count? I want Kei to go through, together with Fed.
Wait, so what happens now? Kei beat Ferrer but does it even count? I want Kei to go through, together with Fed.
Wait, so what happens now? Kei beat Ferrer but does it even count? I want Kei to go through, together with Fed.
Down 0-4, 0-30. What does Ferrer do? Fold like the rest of them? Wins the game, gets 5 BP in the next and almost makes the match close again.
#Fighter!!
Great play by Kei to hold too
If Federer wins at least 1 set, Kei goes through with him.
http://www.barclaysatpworldtourfinals.com/en/scores-centre/2014-scenarios
Singles Group B qualification scenarios
1) Regardless of score, if R. FEDERER defeats A. MURRAY then R. FEDERER wins the group and K. NISHIKORI qualifies 2nd.
2) If A. MURRAY defeats R. FEDERER in 2 then A. MURRAY wins the group and R. FEDERER qualifies 2nd.
3) If A. MURRAY defeats R. FEDERER in 3 sets then R. FEDERER wins the group and K. NISHIKORI qualifies 2nd.
Wait, so what happens now? Kei beat Ferrer but does it even count? I want Kei to go through, together with Fed.
The interesting thing will be Murray's response if he loses the first set.
The interesting thing will be Murray's response if he loses the first set.
Don't you win 300 points if you win a match? I mean you gain 1500 points if you win the title undefeated and 1200 if you lose 1 match. This means that 1 match has a value of 300 pointsI imagine he'll still fight for the win. He might not make the semis, but 200 points is a lot. It's more than a Masters QF or a slam R16. Hell, it's almost as much as a win in a 250 event, and we saw how hard Murray fought for those titles late in the season.
I don't think that's true. Head-to-head only comes into play if two players are tied in win-loss. But in this case, three players would be 2-1. Federer would have the best sets won percentage, but it would come down to games won to determine whether Murray or Nishikori goes through.
Nevermind: I double-checked the rules and it reverts to head-to-head if two players are tied in sets won %.
If you gave some of these bigger ball strikers Ferrer's mentality they'd have achieved a lot more IMO.
Don't you win 300 points if you win a match? I mean you gain 1500 points if you win the title undefeated and 1200 if you lose 1 match. This means that 1 match has a value of 300 points
Don't you win 300 points if you win a match? I mean you gain 1500 points if you win the title undefeated and 1200 if you lose 1 match. This means that 1 match has a value of 300 points
The ONLY way for Murray to reach the SF is to beat Fed in straights. At least that's as far I understood.The thing I'm confused about is how come there is not outcome where Nishikori can come out on top in the group or better yet, how is Murray able to win the group?
If we take sets won, and Nishikori and Murray win in straights, then both players should be equal in sets won. In fact, Fed, Murray and Nishikori would all have lost the same ratio of sets won. I would assume it goes to game % ratio where I feel it favors Federer since he has dropped the least games (depending on how todays matches go). So how is it that Murray has a chance to win the group/advance and not Nishikori.
Is there some kind of bonus for beating the top guy in the group?
The thing I'm confused about is how come there is not outcome where Nishikori can come out on top in the group or better yet, how is Murray able to win the group?
If we take sets won, and Nishikori and Murray win in straights, then both players should be equal in sets won. In fact, Fed, Murray and Nishikori would all have lost the same ratio of sets won. I would assume it goes to game % ratio where I feel it favors Federer since he has dropped the least games (depending on how todays matches go). So how is it that Murray has a chance to win the group/advance and not Nishikori.
Is there some kind of bonus for beating the top guy in the group?
The thing I'm confused about is how come there is not outcome where Nishikori can come out on top in the group or better yet, how is Murray able to win the group?
If we take sets won, and Nishikori and Murray win in straights, then both players should be equal in sets won. In fact, Fed, Murray and Nishikori would all have lost the same ratio of sets won. I would assume it goes to game % ratio where I feel it favors Federer since he has dropped the least games (depending on how todays matches go). So how is it that Murray has a chance to win the group/advance and not Nishikori.
Is there some kind of bonus for beating the top guy in the group?
http://www.barclaysatpworldtourfinals.com/en/scores-centre/2014-scenarios
Singles Group B qualification scenarios
1) Regardless of score, if R. FEDERER defeats A. MURRAY then R. FEDERER wins the group and K. NISHIKORI qualifies 2nd.
2) If A. MURRAY defeats R. FEDERER in 2 then A. MURRAY wins the group and R. FEDERER qualifies 2nd.
3) If A. MURRAY defeats R. FEDERER in 3 sets then R. FEDERER wins the group and K. NISHIKORI qualifies 2nd.
Is the final played on monday?
@Mike,Nah, sunday
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Does anyone else remember the 2009 WTF where Fed played his last RR match against Delpo and Murray's qualification depended on it ? It came down to percentages and after Delpo beat Fed in three , Delpo and Murray were both unsure which of them had made it. Murray famously tweeted "I think I am audi but the rules aren't clear...." or something along those lines.
Apparently Delpo edged out Murray by a single game and some of the Murray fans accused Federer of scheming to ensure that Murray doesn't qualify for the semi by winning/losing just the right number of games in his loss (I mean, really ? WTF ? :lol: ) IIRC, someone in the audience even held a placard accusing Fed during his semi
I found a link for those who are interested :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8378944.stm
I think even in 2012 it was played on monday,with the semis on sunday. I don't remeber why there was such a change in the schedule that year.@Mike,
it was Monday as late as last year, so you're almost correct. But now there's a week between Paris and London, so there's room for the tournament to start on a Sunday instead of Monday.
You cannot help but think it's somehow related to Murray giving his all to knock Fed out of the tournament in 2008 after he himself had qualified:Does anyone else remember the 2009 WTF where Fed played his last RR match against Delpo and Murray's qualification depended on it ? It came down to percentages and after Delpo beat Fed in three , Delpo and Murray were both unsure which of them had made it. Murray famously tweeted "I think I am audi but the rules aren't clear...." or something along those lines.
Apparently Delpo edged out Murray by a single game and some of the Murray fans accused Federer of scheming to ensure that Murray doesn't qualify for the semi by winning/losing just the right number of games in his loss (I mean, really ? WTF ? :lol: ) IIRC, someone in the audience even held a placard accusing Fed during his semi
I found a link for those who are interested :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8378944.stm
I was there, so I should know. Think you're right, but not a 100 % sure.I think even in 2012 it was played on monday,with the semis on sunday. I don't remeber why there was such a change in the schedule that year.
Does anyone else remember the 2009 WTF where Fed played his last RR match against Delpo and Murray's qualification depended on it ? It came down to percentages and after Delpo beat Fed in three , Delpo and Murray were both unsure which of them had made it. Murray famously tweeted "I think I am audi but the rules aren't clear...." or something along those lines.
Apparently Delpo edged out Murray by a single game and some of the Murray fans accused Federer of scheming to ensure that Murray doesn't qualify for the semi by winning/losing just the right number of games in his loss (I mean, really ? WTF ? :lol: ) IIRC, someone in the audience even held a placard accusing Fed during his semi
I found a link for those who are interested :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8378944.stm
Well the WTF in 2009 was very competitive IMO. Soderling,Del Potro,Murray,Djokovic,Federer,Davydenko =>6 players with 2 wins in RR stage. Must have been very hard to select only 4 of themDoes anyone else remember the 2009 WTF where Fed played his last RR match against Delpo and Murray's qualification depended on it ? It came down to percentages and after Delpo beat Fed in three , Delpo and Murray were both unsure which of them had made it. Murray famously tweeted "I think I am audi but the rules aren't clear...." or something along those lines.
Apparently Delpo edged out Murray by a single game and some of the Murray fans accused Federer of scheming to ensure that Murray doesn't qualify for the semi by winning/losing just the right number of games in his loss (I mean, really ? WTF ? :lol: ) IIRC, someone in the audience even held a placard accusing Fed during his semi
I found a link for those who are interested :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8378944.stm
You cannot help but think it's somehow related to Murray giving his all to knock Fed out of the tournament in 2008 after he himself had qualified:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/nov/14/tennis-murray-federer-masters-cup
No love lost between the two of them back in the day. Think it's better now though
Got me another one as well in the mean time.
I guess the lagging of streams actually shows the interest in this match to true tennis fans.
Finally a DECENT match, in stead of a blow-out!
Indeed ;-)Amazing that it took an ailing back and a ruthless Murray to knock Fed out of the RR for the first (and thus far only) time in his career.
One of my favortes: Tanks for the memories!:lol:
Ha ha, right....I remember that now...
You cannot help but think it's somehow related to Murray giving his all to knock Fed out of the tournament in 2008 after he himself had qualified:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/nov/14/tennis-murray-federer-masters-cup
No love lost between the two of them back in the day. Think it's better now though
I remember Federer's struggles with the likes of Murray and Simon in late 2008, but I had forgotten that match was so crazy! Seems like quite an effort form Murray, and he really was the form player that fall.
Anyway gotta appreciate Murray for taking every match seriously. Even if he already qualified he refused to tank. That's what champions dohe was and he blew the WTF by going all out vs federer ....
Is the final played on monday?