ATP World Tour Finals 2015- General Discussion Thread

Who wins?

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 37 56.1%

  • Federer

    Votes: 13 19.7%

  • Wawrinka

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Nadal

    Votes: 8 12.1%

  • Murray

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Berdych

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Ferrer

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Nishikori

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Total voters
    66
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
Possibly the most exciting WTF in history coming up. Djokovic enters as the heavy weight champion of the world in best form of his career, but their are challengers:
Federer - Roger has quite the track record at the WTF and his new SABR style Fedberg mode on court could overcome Djokovic.
Murray - Doubtful, but at Bercy he did break Djokovic at love and their wasn't much Djokovic could do about it other than get really angry (Nole is no dummy and sensed the potential for Murray to fight back.)
Nadal - though not his best end of season, it could be with WTF win. King Rafa's return to grace at the end of this season has really been quite something. Nadal is full bore going for it at WTF and not taking a break in the offseason to work on his game and serve especially. Watching the progress of Nadal in this tournament will be quite fascinating.
Wawrinka - the win over Nadal in Bercy was really something, but full on Stanimal appeared in the Djokovic semifinal. A 5-0 run and the Stanimal wins the second set. London probably a touch faster so Wawrinka may be a little more error prone and on the defensive. Still very interesting player to watch especially when looking ahead to Australian Open where Stanimal will be a major threat.
Berdych, Ferrer, Nishikori, or Gasquet- Hoping that Nishikori drops out of WTF due to back issue which caused retirement against Gasquet at Bercy. Gasquet is the first alternate and would get in the field also if Murray decides not to play in order to rest for Davis Cup final. All of these players are having a strong season end (except Nishikori) and will make every match a high quality affair. If Nishikori plays and finds his health and top form, he will be a pleasure to watch as well.

Every match should be a quality one. The best World Tour Final in history may be in store.



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Poll will be added once the field is set.
 
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Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
The title is not quite right and the OP will put in a change request with site adminstators. ugh.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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The thread is fine. Looking forward to the groupings and am hoping for Nole+Fed+Rafa.

Bring on the 2015 World Tour Finals Finals London.
 
Meles

Meles

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Nathaniel_Near said:
The thread is fine. Looking forward to the groupings and am hoping for Nole+Fed+Rafa.

Bring on the 2015 World Tour Finals Finals London.
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Alright. I can put in a request for a thread title change. Tried to shoot this out to quickly while not investing too much time in its creation. This WTF deserves more.
 
BeatlesFan

BeatlesFan

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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Djoko for title 11! Cementing domination
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What "domination" does Novak have at the WTF? Even if he wins the event this year, he'll have 5 victories, which would tie him with Lendl and Pete.

Fed still has 6 of them.

No "domination" at this event until he beats Roger's record here.

It also was a helluva lot harder for Lendl to bag 5 titles, since in those days, it was sudden death and not Round Robin competition.
 
Doflamingo

Doflamingo

Professional
BeatlesFan said:
What "domination" does Novak have at the WTF? Even if he wins the event this year, he'll have 5 victories, which would tie him with Lendl and Pete.

Fed still has 6 of them.

No "domination" at this event until he beats Roger's record here.

It also was a helluva lot harder for Lendl to bag 5 titles, since in those days, it was sudden death and not Round Robin competition.
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What kind of dumbfounded logic is that? You don't need to surpass Federer to show domination (damn, feel sorry for all the other champions), Novak has 4 titles there and he's won the title 3 times in a row (2012, 2013, 2014), that's domination. Going by your logic Lendl and Sampras never dominated the WTF either because Federer ended up surpassing their number of titles.

Also, not Novak's fault championship formats change. He won with what he was given, you have no precedent to think Novak wouldn't have won it if the format was kept the same. If you got a problem, go write an e-mail to the ATP, I'm sure they'll change it to suit your needs. ​
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
BeatlesFan said:
What "domination" does Novak have at the WTF? Even if he wins the event this year, he'll have 5 victories, which would tie him with Lendl and Pete.

Fed still has 6 of them.

No "domination" at this event until he beats Roger's record here.

It also was a helluva lot harder for Lendl to bag 5 titles, since in those days, it was sudden death and not Round Robin competition.
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Makes Fed vs Novak clash all the more interesting. Potentially they could play in Round Robin and Finals, no?
 
Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
The only question is who will meet Djokovic in the final this year? :)

Will Federer come through again this year and if he does, will he actually play it?
Will Murray come through to make his first ever WTF final (just like he did in Paris) or will the prospect of 3 successive drubbings at Novak's hands prove to be 1 too many?
Will someone else come through and have the cojones to face Novak in the final?

Thoughts?
 
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Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
Mainad said:
The only question is who will meet Djokovic in the final this year? :)

Will Federer come through again this year and if he does, will he actually play it?
Will Murray come through to make his first ever WTF final (just like he did in Paris) or will the prospect of 3 successive drubbings at Novak's hands prove to be 1 too many?
Will someone else come through and have the cojones to face Novak in the final?

Thoughts?
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Does it matter? Same court as Bercy. Same Serbian company fixing the court.
 
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Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
As long as Djoko gets a winning h2h over fed and at least even with Rafa and he wins it again. That will do lol ;)

Put fed and Rafa in nole's group :D
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Yes, I'm sure everyone's noticed your fanbase's obsession with h2h.
Djokovic had to wait until Federer was in his mid-thirties to level the h2h.
I'm not sure what you guys find so exciting about that.
I guess that's why we don't support the same players. You guys sure have some weird stuff that makes you giddy.:rolleyes:
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Bionic Poster
Pagoo said:
Yes, I'm sure everyone's noticed your fanbase's obsession with h2h.
Djokovic had to wait until Federer was in his mid-thirties to level the h2h.
I'm not sure what you guys find so exciting about that.
I guess that's why we don't support the same players. You guys sure have some weird stuff that makes you giddy.:rolleyes:
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All adds to the legacy. Key thing for Novak is, there is no one currently younger than Nole who has a winning h2h over him. The only 3 he needs to get ahead or turn around is fed, Rafa and karlovic
 
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tennisfan2015

Hall of Fame
Doflamingo said:
Novak has 4 titles there and he's won the title 3 times in a row​
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Sorry to disappoint but ND in fact has 3 titles there. The "walkover" does not count as it was a gift. :)

Note - What I see here on this forum when reading arguments from Fed fans is on the borderline of....(fill the blank space)
 
Doflamingo

Doflamingo

Professional
tennisfan2015 said:
Sorry to disappoint but ND in fact has 3 titles there. The "walkover" does not count as it was a gift. :)

Note - What I see here on this forum when reading arguments from Fed fans is on the borderline of....(fill the blank space)
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I don't know if you're serious or trolling... :eek:but he won the WTF 2014. He still wins the title even if the final was a walkover. Besides he still beat the rest of the players towards the title, he was crowned the victor last year. ​
 
Red Rick

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Hard choice for Murray here. Tank and be ready for Davis cup, or go all out and get a beatdown at the hands of Nole in front of home crowd
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Meles, post: 9790370, member: 706609"]Possibly the most exciting WTF in history coming up. Djokovic enters as the heavy weight champion of the world in best form of his career, but their are challengers
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What could possibly be exciting about this WTF? The title will be won by Djokovic or Federer with Djokovic having an 80% of winning it. The other players don't have a prayer and aren't good enough to beat the other two on that surface.
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Red Rick said:
Hard choice for Murray here. Tank and be ready for Davis cup, or go all out and get a beatdown at the hands of Nole in front of home crowd
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Murray isn't in the race for this title I'm afraid. Not only will Djokovic kill him but Federer will kill him on this surface.
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm more thinking of how to survive another wtf in London after Paris?
Same every year for me. After USO it's downhill. Fun starts again after AO.

How do you guys keep yourself so positive this part of season?
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Mainad said:
The only question is who will meet Djokovic in the final this year? :)

Will Federer come through again this year and if he does, will he actually play it?
Will Murray come through to make his first ever WTF final (just like he did in Paris) or will the prospect of 3 successive drubbings at Novak's hands prove to be 1 too many?
Will someone else come through and have the cojones to face Novak in the final?

Thoughts?
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LOL. It's a two horse race between Djokovic and Federer. The other players shouldn't even bother to show up. I'm not joking either.
 
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tennisfan2015

Hall of Fame
Doflamingo said:
I don't know if you're serious or trolling... :eek:but he won the WTF 2014. He still wins the title even if the final was a walkover. Besides he still beat the rest of the players towards the title, he was crowned the victor last year. ​
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You did not get me. Never mind. Post #9 is a reply to post #7. Connect the dots.
 
BeatlesFan

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Red Rick said:
Hard choice for Murray here. Tank and be ready for Davis cup, or go all out and get a beatdown at the hands of Nole in front of home crowd
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WTH does Muzz have to tank the second most important tourney of the year (after the majors?!) He's obviously a physical beast and in tremendous shape. He has to tank a tournament where the most he has to spend on court is 2 hours per match? There's no question that a YEC is better on his resume than any DC. Individual competition trumps team competition.
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
BeatlesFan said:
WTH does Muzz have to tank the second most important tourney of the year (after the majors?!) He's obviously a physical beast and in tremendous shape. He has to tank a tournament where the most he has to spend on court is 2 hours per match? There's no question that a YEC is better on his resume than any DC. Individual competition trumps team competition.
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He won't tank the WTF but there's no question he has a better chance of winning the DC than the WTF. He's Federer's and Djokovic's bit-ch these days.
 
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Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
cc0509 said:
He won't tank the WTF but there's no question he has a better chance of winning the DC than the WTF. He's Federer's and Djokovic's bit-ch these days.
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Murray doesn't need to tank. After the shellacking he gave to Goffin, he doesn't have anything to worry about.
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Pagoo said:
Murray doesn't need to tank. After the shellacking he gave to Goffin, he doesn't have anything to worry about.
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Exactly. His chances of winning the DC for his team are very good but his chances of winning the WTF much less so.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
BeatlesFan said:
What "domination" does Novak have at the WTF? Even if he wins the event this year, he'll have 5 victories, which would tie him with Lendl and Pete.

Fed still has 6 of them.
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Indoor hard domination for one. 2 of Fed's WTF were won on outdoor hard. All of Lendl's and most of Pete's were on carpet. Djoko is going for the record on indoor hard. He's also trying for 4 WTF titles in a row. Something no one has ever done. Actually 3 in a row is already the record (shared with Nastase and Lendl).
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
veroniquem said:
Indoor hard domination for one. 2 of Fed's WTF were won on outdoor hard. All of Lendl's and most of Pete's were on carpet. Djoko is going for the record on indoor hard. He's also trying for 4 WTF titles in a row. Something no one has ever done. Actually 3 in a row is already the record (shared with Nastase and Lendl).
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Again, nobody cares. Djokovic will have to surpass Fed's record 6 titles to be better at the WTF which he's on his way to doing it appears.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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cc0509 said:
Again, nobody cares. Djokovic will have to surpass Fed's record 6 titles to be better at the WTF which he's on his way to doing it appears.
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No one is saying otherwise. Still, a record 4 consecutive would matter a whole lot whether you like it or not (of course YOU don't care because Fed is not on course for that record, he doesn't even have 3 consecutive and you don't seem to care about anything else than Fed lol).
 
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Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
cc0509 said:
Again, nobody cares. Djokovic will have to surpass Fed's record 6 titles to be better at the WTF which he's on his way to doing it appears.
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Federer is in Finland. Hope his stay is temporary. He is playing an exhibition with Nieminen. But, what if he decides he is truly Finnish?:p
 
3fees

3fees

G.O.A.T.
Some peeps here speak too lightly of the playing field, It will be very good play, top 8 , how could it be less than fantastic?

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I think the lineup is very strong this year. Nishi is a bit of a question mark but all the others are playing well. Should be a good event.
 
sbengte

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
So the final 8 and the exact rankings are confirmed now ?

Djoko, Murray, Fed, Wawa, Nadal, Berdych, Ferrer, Nishi

The irony is Berdych can't be in the same group as Nadal, so Nadal will miss the free points from a guaranteed win.

It will be epic if Djoko,Fed,Nadal,Nishi are in one group but if the organizers have any sense, they will not let it happen.

If someone other than Djoko wins, it will be very impressive. Any winner other than Djoko and Fed will mean a first time winner.
It is unbelievable how Fed-Djoker have mono(duo)polized this title for so long.
 
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