ATP500 Japan Open 2025

Who wins?

  • Holger Rune

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  • Casper Ruud

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  • Tomas Machac

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  • Ugo Humbert

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  • Frances Tiafoe

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  • Luciano Darderi

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  • Other

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  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .
.......................He's lost 4 total sets since Wimbledon lost 1 match, when completely healthy, since Miami (6 months and 9 tournaments all but 3 which were Slams or Masters) which was a Finals against an ATG. This, my friends, is what's called peak tennis.
Yah man, top drawer stuff. Hats off to the kid.
Carlitos given a good challenge by Ruud today, who served very well for the most part. Good test in prep for the final, in which I anticipate Fritz will put up a determined challenge. Should be a well contested match.
 
You wish. Carlitos obviously lives rent free in your head. Poor little Jannik fan.

Too funny!
I'm not really sure what your issue is, but stuff like this adds absolutely zero value to the conversation.

Go back and watch the Wimbledon final. If you don't think Sinner got into Alcaraz's head, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
I'm not really sure what your issue is, but stuff like this adds absolutely zero value to the conversation.

Go back and watch the Wimbledon final. If you don't think Sinner got into Alcaraz's head, then I don't know what to tell you.
I am laughing at you, because this thread is about the Japan Open, and you can't stop obsessing on your insecurity over Jannik vs. Carlitos. Too funny!

Back to the topic of the thread please, thanks.
 
I am laughing at you, because this thread is about the Japan Open, and you can't stop obsessing on your insecurity over Jannik vs. Carlitos. Too funny!

Back to the topic of the thread please, thanks.
Look, I don't block people, so you can feel free to go on embarrassing yourself.

Nobody is insecure about a professional tennis rivalry. I mean, that might be a thing in your world, but it's not a thing for most normal people.

My original comment was perfectly appropriate for this thread. Your are the one that started the nonsense, as usual.

Sinner was in Alcaraz's head at Wimbledon. Deal with it.
 
Nobody is insecure about a professional tennis rivalry. I mean, that might be a thing in your world, but it's not a thing for most normal people.

My original comment was perfectly appropriate for this thread. Your are the one that started the nonsense, as usual.

Sinner was in Alcaraz's head at Wimbledon. Deal with it.
Claims not to be insecure, then goes on to further prove he is wildly insecure. Too funny!

Back to the topic of the thread, finally!

Going to be a great final in about 10 hours. Should be some high quality tennis. Can't wait!
 
Most guys just hate playing Sinner's play style for some reason. Including Djokovic. AND including Alcaraz. Sinner just needs to understand that.

Alcaraz was incredibly frustrated and ranting at his player box during Wimbledon. Sinner was in his head. It happened again briefly during the 2nd set of the USO Final, but Sinner let him off the hook.

All this talk from Sinner about revamping his game, it seems silly to me. He just needs to play his own game that tiny bit better. If he just takes one of those match points, or holds serve, in the French, this entire season suddenly seems very, very different, and all the talk of an Alcaraz matchup problem seems misplaced.

Alcaraz 'hates playing Sinner' and yet is 7-1 in the last 2 years against Sinner despite being a couple of years younger. In any case it's not a 'match-up problem' it's an 'Alcaraz problem' and the whole tour has it, Sinner included.

If we are going to float 'what if scenarios' for Sinner, how would this season look if the 2 time winner of Wimbledon who was defending his title, had had a good tournament there instead of just scraping through to the final and then proceeded to win that final too?
 
Alcaraz 'hates playing Sinner' and yet is 7-1 in the last 2 years against Sinner despite being a couple of years younger. In any case it's not a 'match-up problem' it's an 'Alcaraz problem' and the whole tour has it, Sinner included.

If we are going to float 'what if scenarios' for Sinner, how would this season look if the 2 time winner of Wimbledon who was defending his title, had had a good tournament there instead of just scraping through to the final and then proceeded to win that final too?
You guys are funny. I'm just pointing out that so many people in here are falling victim to the typical sports phenomenon of players/teams only being as good as their most recent result.

Nobody is positing hypotheticals about Alcaraz winning Wimbledon, because Sinner dominated that final. Likewise, nobody is doing that for Sinner at the USO, because Alcaraz dominated that final.

But Sinner was just one point away from the French, for three consecutive points. And then he also had a chance to serve it out. If any of that goes his way (and the probability is pretty decent), this ENTIRE conversation looks so different now.

So that's the argument here. People are making grand statements when a SINGLE POINT would dramatically alter the look of the "data" they are basing their arguments on.
 
Look, I don't block people, so you can feel free to go on embarrassing yourself.

Nobody is insecure about a professional tennis rivalry. I mean, that might be a thing in your world, but it's not a thing for most normal people.

My original comment was perfectly appropriate for this thread. Your are the one that started the nonsense, as usual.

Sinner was in Alcaraz's head at Wimbledon. Deal with it.
How do you get in someone’s head if you won like 1 out of last 7 matches or whatever
 
You guys are funny. I'm just pointing out that so many people in here are falling victim to the typical sports phenomenon of players/teams only being as good as their most recent result.

Nobody is positing hypotheticals about Alcaraz winning Wimbledon, because Sinner dominated that final. Likewise, nobody is doing that for Sinner at the USO, because Alcaraz dominated that final.

But Sinner was just one point away from the French, for three consecutive points. And then he also had a chance to serve it out. If any of that goes his way (and the probability is pretty decent), this ENTIRE conversation looks so different now.

So that's the argument here. People are making grand statements when a SINGLE POINT would dramatically alter the look of the "data" they are basing their arguments on.

Sure everyone else is 'funny' but you claim that Alcaraz 'hates playing Sinner' even though he is 7-1 in the last 2 years against Sinner despite being a couple of years younger and only now reaching the same age that Sinner himself reached before making significant improvements.

LMAO.
 
How do you get in someone’s head if you won like 1 out of last 7 matches or whatever
I don't know, ask Carlos. Or watch the Wimbledon final and try to figure it out.

Sure everyone else is 'funny' but you claim that Alcaraz 'hates playing Sinner' even though he is 7-1 in the last 2 years against Sinner despite being a couple of years younger and only now reaching the same age that Sinner himself reached before making significant improvements.
Eventually he may run out of rabbits or hats. Or he may not.

But what's funny is how some of you take these things so personally. As if you actually win something when Alcaraz wins.

Two drop shot winners to take the last two points. Who else has the nerve?!
Against an injured opponent...
 
Eventually he may run out of rabbits or hats. Or he may not.

But what's funny is how some of you take these things so personally. As if you actually win something when Alcaraz wins.

Maybe Alcaraz will cease to perform at a high level or maybe he will perform at an even higher level.

No one knows, but as it stands he has won 7 of the last 8 matches with Sinner so I hardly think he's the one having anxiety about that matchup which is rather the opposite of what you wrote.

There's nothing 'personal' in pointing out the silliness of your post and I hardly write much about Carlos here in the first place, unlike you about Sinner.
 
I don't know, ask Carlos. Or watch the Wimbledon final and try to figure it out.


Eventually he may run out of rabbits or hats. Or he may not.

But what's funny is how some of you take these things so personally. As if you actually win something when Alcaraz wins.


Against an injured opponent...
I don't know it is possible to just get outplayed every once in a while (once every eight time?) especially against a 4 time slam champion lol
 
Maybe Alcaraz will cease to perform at a high level or maybe he will perform at an even higher level.

No one knows, but as it stands he has won 7 of the last 8 matches with Sinner so I hardly think he's the one having anxiety about that matchup which is rather the opposite of what you wrote.

There's nothing 'personal' in pointing out the silliness of your post and I hardly write much about Carlos here in the first place, unlike you about Sinner.
Pay closer attention to what someone writes before you call their comments, "silly," OK? (That's a free lesson. Next time it will cost you).

Nobody said Carlos has anxiety about the matchup, but it is very clear that there have been moments where Alcaraz was very frustrated by Sinner's play style.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see the way he was interacting with his player box during the Wimbledon final, I don't know what to tell you.

And perhaps you have me mistaken with someone else, because I really don't comment much on Sinner.

I don't know it is possible to just get outplayed every once in a while (once every eight time?) especially against a 4 time slam champion lol
Huh?
 
Pay closer attention to what someone writes before you call their comments, "silly," OK? (That's a free lesson. Next time it will cost you).

Nobody said Carlos has anxiety about the matchup, but it is very clear that there have been moments where Alcaraz was very frustrated by Sinner's play style.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see the way he was interacting with his player box during the Wimbledon final, I don't know what to tell you.

And perhaps you have me mistaken with someone else, because I really don't comment much on Sinner.


Huh?


Yeah, you just went from silly to downright risible. Free lesson right back at you, champ.

Carlos is really 'frustrated' in this match up. That's why it's 7 of the last 8 matches for him. Considering how great of a player Sinner is, that's a very comfortable looking match up. It would be inhuman if there weren't 'uncomfortable moments' playing against any good player, much less a player of the magnitude of Sinner, but that's not the takeaway from this match up unless you only look at it through Sinner colored glasses.

I don't have you mistaken with someone else. You comment on Sinner more than I comment on Alcaraz any day of the week. I like Sinner's game myself but am not blind.
 
Pay closer attention to what someone writes before you call their comments, "silly," OK? (That's a free lesson. Next time it will cost you).

Nobody said Carlos has anxiety about the matchup, but it is very clear that there have been moments where Alcaraz was very frustrated by Sinner's play style.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see the way he was interacting with his player box during the Wimbledon final, I don't know what to tell you.

And perhaps you have me mistaken with someone else, because I really don't comment much on Sinner.


Huh?
Losing doesn't necessarily mean the opponent got into your head, you can simply get outplayed.
 
Yeah, you just went from silly to downright risible. Free lesson right back at you, champ.

Carlos is really 'frustrated' in this match up. That's why it's 7 of the last 8 matches for him. Considering how great of a player Sinner is, that's a very comfortable looking match up. It would be inhuman if there weren't 'uncomfortable moments' playing against any good player, much less a player of the magnitude of Sinner, but that's not the takeaway from this match up unless you only look at it through Sinner colored glasses.

I don't have you mistaken with someone else. You comment on Sinner more than I comment on Alcaraz any day of the week. I like Sinner's game myself but am not blind.
You can type whatever words you want, and that you think sound impressive, but that will not change reality (and it certainly will not stop you from embarrassing yourself, which you have already done multiple times now).

Now I guess we should work on your reading comprehension, because I didn't say Alcaraz was frustrated with the matchup (yes, it's one word. So that's yet another lesson I am teaching you). I said there were moments where Sinner completely frustrated him with his (Sinner's) current play style.

As for the rest, again, go and look at my post history before you make ridiculous accusations.
Losing doesn't necessarily mean the opponent got into your head, you can simply get outplayed.
Sure, it doesn't necessarily mean that. But if you watch a match and observe a player's behavior (or actually listen to what they say), you can tell if that is indeed the case.
 
You can type whatever words you want, and that you think sound impressive, but that will not change reality (and it certainly will not stop you from embarrassing yourself, which you have already done multiple times now).

Now I guess we should work on your reading comprehension, because I didn't say Alcaraz was frustrated with the matchup (yes, it's one word. So that's yet another lesson I am teaching you). I said there were moments where Sinner completely frustrated him with his (Sinner's) current play style.

More incoherent scribbling. You talked about Sinner 'frustrating' Alcaraz. If all you meant is that occasionally over the course of a match Carlos can feel frustrated, that's true but it's also basically meaningless because Carlos, like any player, can feel frustrated for a passage of time against many players but he still generally pulls out the wins when it matters over time.

The 7 to 1 head to head advantage over the last 8 matches played between the 2 is particularly illustrative of this fact, not the incredibly low bar of 'moments of frustration.' If Sinner couldn't even frustrate Carlos for a few moments in those matches then he wouldn't even deserve to be a rival in the first place and no one would even bother discussing it.
 
More incoherent scribbling. You talked about Sinner 'frustrating' Alcaraz. If all you meant is that occasionally over the course of a match Carlos can feel frustrated, that's true but it's also basically meaningless because Carlos, like any player, can feel frustrated for a passage of time against many players but he still generally pulls out the wins when it matters over time.

The 7 to 1 head to head advantage over the last 8 matches played between the 2 is particularly illustrative of this fact, not the incredibly low bar of 'moments of frustration.' If Sinner couldn't even frustrate Carlos for a few moments in those matches then he wouldn't even deserve to be a rival in the first place and no one would even bother discussing it.
Incoherent to you, OK. I get it. It's over your head. That's fine. But don't lash out!

Sinner frustrated Alcaraz for all of the Wimbledon final. But hey, that's just the final of the most important tournament in the world. Likewise, he frustrated him until he was one point away from the FO final, and again later on in that same match, but hey, that was only on Alcaraz's favorite surface...
 
I’ve been thinking about why Roger Federer didn’t use drop shots as frequently or as aggressively as Carlos Alcaraz does today. For me, Roger mainly used the drop shot as a strategic tool—to construct a point, change the rhythm, or surprise his opponent at the right moment. He rarely used it as a primary weapon to hit outright winners or to dominate games through repetition. In contrast, Alcaraz incorporates drop shots much more aggressively and more often. Even when opponents anticipate them and respond with strong returns, Alcaraz seems confident that he can recover the point using his exceptional athleticism and anticipation.
I don’t think Federer had the same level of explosive athleticism as Alcaraz, and very few players in history do. Alcaraz appears comfortable creating extremely difficult situations for himself because he trusts his speed, court coverage, and reflexes to handle the next shot—even if the drop shot comes back sharply or at a tough angle. Federer, on the other hand, seemed more selective. He used the drop shot when he was certain it would be effective or when he wanted to disrupt the tempo of the rally, rather than engaging in physically demanding exchanges that required repeated sprints forward and backward.
What really stands out about Alcaraz is how he creates such acute angles from both his forehand and backhand, often with remarkable margin and consistency. While watching the tournament, it felt like he had another level available at all times. There were moments when he dominated one-sidedly, then suddenly made errors and seemed to lose momentum. But just when it appeared he might drop his level permanently, he would raise it again. That ability to shift gears suggests he understands his own margin and trusts his aggressive style. In this particular performance, it looked as though he knew he could win the tournament by committing fully to that aggressive approach.
 
I’ve been thinking about why Roger Federer didn’t use drop shots as frequently or as aggressively as Carlos Alcaraz does today. For me, Roger mainly used the drop shot as a strategic tool—to construct a point, change the rhythm, or surprise his opponent at the right moment. He rarely used it as a primary weapon to hit outright winners or to dominate games through repetition. In contrast, Alcaraz incorporates drop shots much more aggressively and more often. Even when opponents anticipate them and respond with strong returns, Alcaraz seems confident that he can recover the point using his exceptional athleticism and anticipation.
I don’t think Federer had the same level of explosive athleticism as Alcaraz, and very few players in history do. Alcaraz appears comfortable creating extremely difficult situations for himself because he trusts his speed, court coverage, and reflexes to handle the next shot—even if the drop shot comes back sharply or at a tough angle. Federer, on the other hand, seemed more selective. He used the drop shot when he was certain it would be effective or when he wanted to disrupt the tempo of the rally, rather than engaging in physically demanding exchanges that required repeated sprints forward and backward.
What really stands out about Alcaraz is how he creates such acute angles from both his forehand and backhand, often with remarkable margin and consistency. While watching the tournament, it felt like he had another level available at all times. There were moments when he dominated one-sidedly, then suddenly made errors and seemed to lose momentum. But just when it appeared he might drop his level permanently, he would raise it again. That ability to shift gears suggests he understands his own margin and trusts his aggressive style. In this particular performance, it looked as though he knew he could win the tournament by committing fully to that aggressive approach.
Fred did not use the dropshot early on, because- to use his words- "it seems like cheating". Competitive realities
[read, Raffi] disavailed him of that idea.

Re: this current kid- he couldn't carry Roger's or Rod's bags. His best competition is a second-rate version of Scarecrow (see Wizard of Oz), and a 38 year-old [albeit 24 major-winning] grandfather. Not exactly like having Borg/Connors/Mac/Lendl/Sampras/Federer on the other side of the court.

PETE and Fred especially would be licking their chops.
 
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i know appearance money must be HUGE for Alcarez but still,, isn't this too much tennis for him ? :unsure:

Exactly I hope he loses early after banking the appearance money. I think there should be a rule that once you win 6-7 GSs you should not be able to compete in 500s.
 
I’ve been thinking about why Roger Federer didn’t use drop shots as frequently or as aggressively as Carlos Alcaraz does today. For me, Roger mainly used the drop shot as a strategic tool—to construct a point, change the rhythm, or surprise his opponent at the right moment. He rarely used it as a primary weapon to hit outright winners or to dominate games through repetition. In contrast, Alcaraz incorporates drop shots much more aggressively and more often. Even when opponents anticipate them and respond with strong returns, Alcaraz seems confident that he can recover the point using his exceptional athleticism and anticipation.
I don’t think Federer had the same level of explosive athleticism as Alcaraz, and very few players in history do. Alcaraz appears comfortable creating extremely difficult situations for himself because he trusts his speed, court coverage, and reflexes to handle the next shot—even if the drop shot comes back sharply or at a tough angle. Federer, on the other hand, seemed more selective. He used the drop shot when he was certain it would be effective or when he wanted to disrupt the tempo of the rally, rather than engaging in physically demanding exchanges that required repeated sprints forward and backward.
What really stands out about Alcaraz is how he creates such acute angles from both his forehand and backhand, often with remarkable margin and consistency. While watching the tournament, it felt like he had another level available at all times. There were moments when he dominated one-sidedly, then suddenly made errors and seemed to lose momentum. But just when it appeared he might drop his level permanently, he would raise it again. That ability to shift gears suggests he understands his own margin and trusts his aggressive style. In this particular performance, it looked as though he knew he could win the tournament by committing fully to that aggressive approach.
Alcaraz does love some cat & mouse points, and he absolutely backs himself in those situations. He even takes them somewhat personally...

When Sinner won that Epic cat & mouse point in Miami a few years ago, it completely scrambled Alcaraz's brain and probably cost him the match.
 
I’m curious why a four-month-old tournament thread was bumped—Tokyo, of all places.
Equally curious is why I’m adding to that resurrection.
I’d probably have the answers if I read the whole thread, though I doubt I’m willing to expend that energy.
Too many questions, most of which will inevitably remain unanswered.
Hope my humble contribution to the bump is useful.
 
Incoherent to you, OK. I get it. It's over your head. That's fine. But don't lash out!

Sinner frustrated Alcaraz for all of the Wimbledon final. But hey, that's just the final of the most important tournament in the world. Likewise, he frustrated him until he was one point away from the FO final, and again later on in that same match, but hey, that was only on Alcaraz's favorite surface...
alcaraz will frustrate sinner's career lmao
 
alcaraz will frustrate sinner's career lmao
Let's wait and see. Sinner seems to be more fragile mentally, but Alcaraz seems to lack motivation at times.

As I said about the Australian Open, if Alcaraz plays Djokovic in the Semi instead of Sinner, he loses and Sinner wins the title.
 
Let's wait and see. Sinner seems to be more fragile mentally, but Alcaraz seems to lack motivation at times.

As I said about the Australian Open, if Alcaraz plays Djokovic in the Semi instead of Sinner, he loses and Sinner wins the title.
like I said if alcaraz is not conceived, sinner would win more slams. ififififiifiififi more ifs plz
 
like I said if alcaraz is not conceived, sinner would win more slams. ififififiifiififi more ifs plz
Bro, it's not some wild or ridiculous hypothetical to point out that a fresh Djokovic could have taken out Alcaraz if they met in the semis. Did you not see the first set of the final? Djokovic thoroughly outplayed him.
 
Bro, it's not some wild or ridiculous hypothetical to point out that a fresh Djokovic could have taken out Alcaraz if they met in the semis. Did you not see the first set of the final? Djokovic thoroughly outplayed him.

Whenever it's Djokovic or Sinner in these hypotheticals, you're VERY generous in extrapolating the most favorable thesis possible and ignoring anything to the contrary.

Carlos has pretty much owned the Sinner rivalry and Carlos dispatched Djokovic quite easily in that final. In all likelihood he would have easily done the same a round earlier as well

Carlos simply has more tools and can respond to Novak trying to redline his game which is what Novak tried (to his credit) as he knows it's his only shot if he's lucky enough to arrive with retirements and forfeits deep in a slam.

Sinner on the other hand was probably still recovering from his near death experience and didn't switch it up. Usually he wouldn't even have to switch it up with his base game but he did need to under the circumstances and he wasn't able to do what for Carlos is much more feasible.
 
Whenever it's Djokovic or Sinner in these hypotheticals, you're VERY generous in extrapolating the most favorable thesis possible and ignoring anything to the contrary.

Carlos has pretty much owned the Sinner rivalry and Carlos dispatched Djokovic quite easily in that final. In all likelihood he would have easily done the same a round earlier as well

Carlos simply has more tools and can respond to Novak trying to redline his game which is what Novak tried (to his credit) as he knows it's his only shot if he's lucky enough to arrive with retirements and forfeits deep in a slam.
Um what? Owned the Sinner rivalry? I guess you missed the tour finals and Wimbledon?

And Carlos didn't have the tools to respond to Djokovic the last time they played at the AO, and he didn't in the first set of the final. What makes you think he could have turned it around if Djokovic didn't start to get tired?
 
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