Audi A4 Quattro 1.8T (2002 - current model)?

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
VSB... what do you think about a 1-owner vehicle in excellent condition with 100K miles (see my earlier post)? I'll have the Carfax in my hand tomorrow. It's a bit less than 9K.
If there is a full service history available on this specimen, see if you can spend some time perusing it. Check to see if the turbo has been replaced, timing belt replaced (and at what mileage), clutch replaced? Coil packs, etc. A Carfax probably won't show these items. If no FSH is available, you are wisest to assume the work hasn't been performed.
Also the hoses in the engine bay (and the heater core) tend to poop out circa 100k miles and can be more expensive than one might imagine to replace. Really, the miles above 50k on any German car are the more expensive ones to drive, particularly if shortcuts have been taken to its maintenance.

Good luck! I love the 2002-2005 A4's. Haven't found my good one yet, though.
I can't add anymore to retrowagen's good advice.
Good Luck!
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
If there is a full service history available on this specimen, see if you can spend some time perusing it. Check to see if the turbo has been replaced, timing belt replaced (and at what mileage), clutch replaced? Coil packs, etc. A Carfax probably won't show these items. If no FSH is available, you are wisest to assume the work hasn't been performed.
Also the hoses in the engine bay (and the heater core) tend to poop out circa 100k miles and can be more expensive than one might imagine to replace. Really, the miles above 50k on any German car are the more expensive ones to drive, particularly if shortcuts have been taken to its maintenance.

Good luck! I love the 2002-2005 A4's. Haven't found my good one yet, though.
I can't add anymore to retrowagen's good advice.
Good Luck!
In addition to the Carfax... I'll find out which dealership performed any routine maintenance/repairs... and call them up.
 

retrowagen

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In addition to the Carfax... I'll find out which dealership performed any routine maintenance/repairs... and call them up.
Never a bad idea; however, many dealers in our modern day and age simply won't remember any particular car, let alone a client. And may not be able to offer you much service history, even though their dealer network computer system should catalogue everything that had been done (in their service network system) on a particular car, by VIN number. Dealers used to know customers and cars much better. Now they seem too busy to care, in my experience.

If the vendor/seller is amenable to it, a pre-purchase inspection by a highly-regarded, independent (non-dealer) shop familiar with the marque and model is money very well spent, and could save you thousands later.

The A4 is a well engineered, but dense (meaning lots of sophisticated stuff crammed into a fairly small product) car; there is surprisingly much to go wrong, and much of it is expensive to troubleshoot and put right. But a well-maintained specimen can offer over 200k miles of stylish, comfortable, and sporty motoring.
 

Bud

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Never a bad idea; however, many dealers in our modern day and age simply won't remember any particular car, let alone a client. And may not be able to offer you much service history, even though their dealer network computer system should catalogue everything that had been done (in their service network system) on a particular car, by VIN number. Dealers used to know customers and cars much better. Now they seem too busy to care, in my experience.

If the vendor/seller is amenable to it, a pre-purchase inspection by a highly-regarded, independent (non-dealer) shop familiar with the marque and model is money very well spent, and could save you thousands later.

The A4 is a well engineered, but dense (meaning lots of sophisticated stuff crammed into a fairly small product) car; there is surprisingly much to go wrong, and much of it is expensive to troubleshoot and put right. But a well-maintained specimen can offer over 200k miles of stylish, comfortable, and sporty motoring.
I found out more about the car... original owner moved from CA when the vehicle had 28k miles. It just passed its emission tests with no issues. Timing belt replaced before 75K... no issues with the turbocharger (which may already have been replaced)

I called the Audi dealership and they stated they can give my a repair/maintenance history on the car and am currently waiting for their return call.

Seller repeated the car is flawless and appears new (which is does based on the pics).
 

retrowagen

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I found out more about the car... original owner moved from CA when the vehicle had 28k miles. It just passed its emission tests with no issues. Timing belt replaced before 75K... no issues with the turbocharger (which may already have been replaced)

I called the Audi dealership and they stated they can give my a repair/maintenance history on the car and am currently waiting for their return call.

Seller repeated the car is flawless and appears new (which is does based on the pics).
Sounds potentially good... (with my other prior comments borne in mind). Also bear in mind that if you live in California, in an air district basin, the car must pass YOUR home area's smog test standard for registration, not the seller's (if in a non-impact zone, or another state).

Good luck!!!
 
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Why does someone who lives in San Diego want four wheel drive unless it's to go off road -- which an Audi is not made for? 4WD is heavier, more mechanically complex, less fuel efficient, poorer braking (due to extra weight).
 

retrowagen

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AWD has its advantages in dry and rain traction, as well. And braking is a function of tire friction and brake swept area, not necessarily vehicle weight.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Why does someone who lives in San Diego want four wheel drive unless it's to go off road -- which an Audi is not made for? 4WD is heavier, more mechanically complex, less fuel efficient, poorer braking (due to extra weight).
I simply don't like the FWD Audi's.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
(Addendum -- Most recent statistics I came upon are 1998, showing 49,000 car accident deaths and 1.7 million injuries in all of North America. China, with far fewer cars, reported 179,000 deaths and 5.4 million injuries. Perhaps the Chinese need to learn more about driving??
I'd bet a lot of those deaths in China are pedestrians and bicyclists since the cities are so crowded and the roads are shared with so many pedestrians and bicycles. Also, I'm not sure if it's still the case today, but many years ago, the cars were not allowed to turn on their headlights at night as they could blind oncoming bicyclists. Well, that just meant people drove around in the dark and hit a lot of things. Also, cars used to be made and imported without seat belts or had them removed on purpose. I used to think this was a form of Chinese population control as they are so overpopulated that they wanted more people to die in car accidents.

BTW, nowadays, China has the biggest car market in the world, even bigger than the U.S.
 

BreakPoint

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I simply don't like the FWD Audi's.
Neither do I. I've owned two Audis in the past, a GT Coupe and a 100, both FWD. They just didn't feel that great when driving and I didn't feel in full control. I much prefer RWD cars as they just feel better and track straighter.

However, the things about Audis is that the faster you drive them on the highway, the better they feel and the more responsive they become. I assume this is because they are designed for the Autobahn's high speed touring so the suspension, steering, etc. really become optimal the faster you drive.

The audio/radio/antenna systems in Audis just don't work well in the U.S. for some reason, and I could never get my front wheels to be aligned correctly after many tries. I really like the way the current A4 looks but doubt I would buy one.
 

ninman

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(Addendum -- Most recent statistics I came upon are 1998, showing 49,000 car accident deaths and 1.7 million injuries in all of North America. China, with far fewer cars, reported 179,000 deaths and 5.4 million injuries. Perhaps the Chinese need to learn more about driving??
I've said it once, and I'll say it twice, I AM NOT CHINESE, I LIVE IN CHINA, I AM NOT FROM CHINA, I DO NOT DRIVE A CAR IN CHINA, I DO NOT OWN A CAR IN CHINA. I AM FROM THE UK, I LEARNED HOW TO DRIVE IN THE UK, I DRIVE IN THE UK, GET IT?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
AWD has its advantages in dry and rain traction, as well. And braking is a function of tire friction and brake swept area, not necessarily vehicle weight.
It depends on the kind of AWD system that's in the car how much and what kind of traction you get and when it kicks in. The disadvantages are in the weight and more mechanical reliability issues. And given the same brakes and tires, a heavier car will take a longer distance and time to come to a stop. Just simple physics.
 

ninman

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It depends on the kind of AWD system that's in the car how much and what kind of traction you get and when it kicks in. The disadvantages are in the weight and more mechanical reliability issues. And given the same brakes and tires, a heavier car will take a longer distance and time to come to a stop. Just simple physics.
I personally prefer Front wheel drive, it's better in the snow, more traction, since the engine is pushing the wheels down.
 

BreakPoint

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I personally prefer Front wheel drive, it's better in the snow, more traction, since the engine is pushing the wheels down.
It doesn't snow where I live so RWD works great for me :)

There's a very good reason why most sports cars and true sports sedans (e.g. BMW, etc.) are RWD.
 

ninman

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It doesn't snow where I live so RWD works great for me :)

There's a very good reason why most sports cars and true sports sedans (e.g. BMW, etc.) are RWD.
Yeah I know, my mum owned a RWD Mazda RX-8, it was fun out in the country, but horrible in town. I love the old M3 and M5's though.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
It depends on the kind of AWD system that's in the car how much and what kind of traction you get and when it kicks in. The disadvantages are in the weight and more mechanical reliability issues. And given the same brakes and tires, a heavier car will take a longer distance and time to come to a stop. Just simple physics.
The Quattro system is simply excellent. There is no other car that feels as sure-footed as an AWD Audi, IMO. When I used to test them in all climates (snow, ice, rain) they instilled complete confidence.

I imagine the Quattro model's brakes are slightly beefier to compensate for the additional weight.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I personally prefer Front wheel drive, it's better in the snow, more traction, since the engine is pushing the wheels down.
I had the great pleasure of learning how to drive in the snow in a BMW E30 325. The first thing you need no matter whether it is FWD, RWD, or AWD is FOUR (4) Snow Tires.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
I had 4 Blizzaks on a RWD BMW and it was still miserable in the snow. Do not buy a car for winter driving unless (at least) the front wheels have power.
 

retrowagen

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Front engined, FWD cars, and rear engined, RWD cars can be pretty decent in snow with the right tires and proper driving technique. AWD is superior, however.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Quick update...

A friend will be checking out the car and test driving it on Tuesday... we'll see. If he gives me the thumbs up, I'll drive the few hundred miles myself and make a final decision.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Another update...

Test driving the vehicle tomorrow... friend checked it out today and stated it is in nearly perfect condition... inside and out :)

Found out the engine was replaced in 2007 by Audi... at a cost of 9K to Audi (since it was still under warranty). There was some issue with the camshaft. The current motor has 36K miles on it. Clutch was also replaced at the same time in 2007.

I imagine if the entire engine was replaced in 07... that probably included the turbocharger/intercooler :confused:
 
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SlapShot

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Test driving the vehicle tomorrow... friend checked it out today and stated it is in nearly perfect condition... inside and out :)

Found out the engine was replaced in 2007 by Audi... at a cost of 9K to Audi (since it was still under warranty). There was some issue with the camshaft. The current motor has 36K miles on it. Clutch was also replaced at the same time in 2007.

I imagine if the entire engine was replaced in 07... that probably included the turbocharger :confused:
That's a sweet deal - 36K is a pretty reasonable mileage on everything. :)
 

retrowagen

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Test driving the vehicle tomorrow... friend checked it out today and stated it is in nearly perfect condition... inside and out :)

Found out the engine was replaced in 2007 by Audi... at a cost of 9K to Audi (since it was still under warranty). There was some issue with the camshaft. The current motor has 36K miles on it. Clutch was also replaced at the same time in 2007.

I imagine if the entire engine was replaced in 07... that probably included the turbocharger/intercooler :confused:
Probably just the longblock - meaning the engine, minus anything bolted to it (which would include the turbocharger).

Sounds potentially like a good thing; however, it begs the question: if the original engine failed catestrophically at 60+k miles, will the next one fail within the next 25+k (if it already has 36k on it)? This is the sort of tough (and very realistic) question any potential VW/Audi 1.8 or 2.0T buyer needs to ask him or herself.
 

Tina

Banned
Test driving the vehicle tomorrow... friend checked it out today and stated it is in nearly perfect condition... inside and out :)

Found out the engine was replaced in 2007 by Audi... at a cost of 9K to Audi (since it was still under warranty). There was some issue with the camshaft. The current motor has 36K miles on it. Clutch was also replaced at the same time in 2007.

I imagine if the entire engine was replaced in 07... that probably included the turbocharger/intercooler :confused:

How was your test driving, bud?
 

Storm_Kyori

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I have to say i like the older model better as far as looks go. I have a 2000 passat 3.0 5 speed and really wished it has the audi a4 back-end. I really like that little lip on the back.
 
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