Australian Open 2015 Final: Novak Djokovic vs Andy Murray

Djokovic or Murray?


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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Murray wasn't that ''tired'' but was quite clearly being outmanoeuvred regardless of shot quality by half way through the third even in like-for-like exchanges. It's hard not to see it. His movement style is harder to maintain at 100% efficiency throughout a match.

Murray's forehand is too flat and it lacks enough margin of error to be consistently dangerous or reliable. It's not exactly super easy for him to just decide to impart more spin on the ball either. he does not have explosive stroke mechanics relatively to the likes of several other top players.

Murray's game is more suited to Wimbledon and the US Open. He was unlikely to win the battle of consistency and physicality against Djokovic at the AO due to the length of time Djokovic can maintain near maximal efficiency.

Murray also lacks the physicality to ever win the French Open and his shots are fodder. He has to play so outside of himself to be competitive against the best clay court players and it becomes infeasible over 5 sets.
 
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merwy

G.O.A.T.
This guy from Kia always start off with "Gentleman" and his English never seems to get better.

I think it's a new Korean guy this time, the last one was called Thomas Oh I think and spoke better English than this guy.

Also funny how (imo) Djokovic gives a better speech in English than Murray
 

oneness

Professional
I don't think there was anything wrng with it, other than Murray was in no mood for light hearted comments I guess. But he had congratulated him on getting to the final as everyone does. You're right though he must have congratulated him about his wedding too, but maybe he wanted to say something nice to him, there's only so much solace in "congrats on making the final"

It can come across as condescending or simply trying to be nice without actually meaning it. This is andy's fourth loss here, wife and kids are the last thing in his mind at this time. Come on Novak of all people now cannot provide him solace.
I am not blaming Nole, but generally I don't care for sweet talk, so I undertsand andy's reaction.
 

snowwhite

Professional
:lol:

Keep dreaming.

Why should he keep dreaming?! Look at the difference was between Fed and Nad few years ago, was like 8 slams or something, I don't see any reason why Djokovic or any coming up player not having the possibilites of breaking these numbers
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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The way Djokovic is going he should probably reach double digits.

Also, the way Andy is going, he should win another Major.
 

Djesus

Banned
They both played well, but Novak was better in the last 2 sets. He had more in the tank plus was hitting cleaner.

Oh and to all the people who called them pushers? :lol:

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Stick that where the sun don't shine loooooooooooooooool
 

oneness

Professional
Missed the first two sets, looking at the comments here, it appears that it was after all a decent match.
Congrats, Nole.
 

Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
Murray and Stan really need to grow a pair. You don't fight so hard and then get bageled in the final set. Murray should have won the third set and/or made the fourth competitive.

If old man Fed can force a fifth set and still make it competitive, no reason these guys should be crumbling like cheap suits!

I hope going forward they will step up-and the rest of the tour better get their game on.

Murray is probably very angry because he had his chances. It's one thing to be totally out-played and another to have brain farts at the wrong time.

I don't really want another 2011 like year.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Why should he keep dreaming?! Look at the difference was between Fed and Nad few years ago, was like 8 slams or something, I don't see any reason why Djokovic or any coming up player not having the possibilites of breaking these numbers

Fed is 5 years older than Nadal though so Nadal was for a while ahead of Fed in terms of slams by the same age.Nole is one year younger than Nadal and has 6 less slams, Nadal will probably win more slams too... I don't see Nole winning another 9 slams to catch Fed but it is possible I guess. He needs to win a lot of slams a year though. 3 three slam years would do it. But by then Nadal might have 18+
 

Djesus

Banned
I don't see Novak matching Fed's slams or even Nadal's slams, at all. But if he can get 10+ slams and equal Borg or surpass him, that'd be a bonus. But 10 is a good target if Novak can get it, with 1 RG in there of course.
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
I don't see Novak matching Fed's slams or even Nadal's slams, at all. But if he can get 10+ slams and equal Borg or surpass him, that'd be a bonus. But 10 is a good target if Novak can get it, with 1 RG in there of course.

Jim courier just said that 12 is a realistic target for novak
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Well deserved win for Novak, better man won. Murray will have his chances for the rest of the year though.[/QUOTE

The concern for Murray is his inability to hold on to leads. He lost a few matches last year because of this.

He is certainly playing better but this must be a painful loss for him. He had the lead and momentum in the third set and completely blew it.
Djoko hit a fair amount of his 2nd serves at 160-180 km/h. Murray hardly ever went above 150 km/h with his and hit quite a few in the 120s.

Until he fixes that, Novak can pressure him in most service games.

Other than that, his forehand went completely off from 3-all in the third and for the rest of the match. Sooooo many UE from that side into the net in the last 9 games.

Maybe it was physical, maybe it was mental, I don't know.

Anyhow - congrats to Novak, Noleberic, Djoko2011 and all his other fans, he's cementing his legend day by day.
 

The Lad

New User
Congrats to Novak, he played some great tennis at the AO and stepped up when challenged. He could crack the 10 figure before his year is out.
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
Djoko hit a fair amount of his 2nd serves at 160-180 km/h. Murray hardly ever went above 150 km/h with his and hit quite a few in the 120s.

Until he fixes that, Novak can pressure him in most service games.

Other than that, his forehand went completely off from 3-all in the third and for the rest of the match. Sooooo many UE from that side into the net in the last 9 games.

Maybe it was physical, maybe it was mental, I don't know.

Anyhow - congrats to Novak, Noleberic, Djoko2011 and all his other fans, he's cementing his legend day by day.

thanks chanwan. I obviously could not ask for a better start to the season and hopefully he can win another slam this year. Especially ifs it RG, that would be a bonus. This win also means djokovic is the AO GOAT, so im happy he has atleast one thing fedal doesn't in the slams.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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thanks chanwan. I obviously could not ask for a better start to the season and hopefully he can win another slam this year. Especially ifs it RG, that would be a bonus. This win also means djokovic is the AO GOAT, so im happy he has atleast one thing fedal doesn't in the slams.

If Nole wins RG, 7 Masters, the US Open and the WTF, can Roger have Wimbledon beating Nole in the final?
 

Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
I don't see Novak matching Fed's slams or even Nadal's slams, at all. But if he can get 10+ slams and equal Borg or surpass him, that'd be a bonus. But 10 is a good target if Novak can get it, with 1 RG in there of course.

If the rest of the tour don't step it up, who's going to stop him?

The young guns seem totally hopeless against him, except maybe Nishikori.

Djokovic seem impervious to early round losses unlike Nadal and Federer.

His earliest loss the last 4 years was the AO 2014. So looks like the guy may be in for a good ride.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Djoko hit a fair amount of his 2nd serves at 160-180 km/h. Murray hardly ever went above 150 km/h with his and hit quite a few in the 120s.

Until he fixes that, Novak can pressure him in most service games.

Other than that, his forehand went completely off from 3-all in the third and for the rest of the match. Sooooo many UE from that side into the net in the last 9 games.

Maybe it was physical, maybe it was mental, I don't know.

Anyhow - congrats to Novak, Noleberic, Djoko2011 and all his other fans, he's cementing his legend day by day.

at this point he should probably be happy he got Novak a couple times, and avoided Nadal at those slams
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
I'd also like to use the occasion to hand out a big congratulation and tribute to the one and only Chico (surprised Novak didn't mention him in his speech)! I'm sure he is full of ecstasy right now. Literally.

Disgraceful that so many voted for Murray in the poll!

Disgusting :mad:
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Novak vs Murray for YE#1??

I think it's very possible.

Murray is trending upward right now, not downward.


We'll see on Rafa...
Murray doesn't earn enough on clay to challenge Novak imo. If Rafa pulls another 2013, he can. Other than that, I think it's Novak's once again (I know, very early to say, but he is the best these years).
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Murray doesn't earn enough on clay to challenge Novak imo. If Rafa pulls another 2013, he can. Other than that, I think it's Novak's once again (I know, very early to say, but he is the best these years).

Yeh, on balance I gotta agree with you.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
If Djokovic gets that RG this year, the flood gates might open for a short while for him to really mop up a few slams.
I agree.

The Dud from Dunblane. Bridesmaid. And hypocrite. Crying about ND faking leg/stamina issues. If I had a dollar for every time Murray grabbed his back or leg I'd be filthy rich.

Another great fightback from Djokovic. Could have easily packed it in after playing a terrible 2nd set TB then getting broken.

ESPN announcers going on and on about the wind at the one end was ridiculous. Cahill's game has dropped severely in these 2 weeks.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
thanks chanwan. I obviously could not ask for a better start to the season and hopefully he can win another slam this year. Especially ifs it RG, that would be a bonus. This win also means djokovic is the AO GOAT, so im happy he has atleast one thing fedal doesn't in the slams.
It's been time for another multislam year for Novak for years. This year it will finally happen. It's a pretty safe bet imo. So double congrats ;-)
Murray definitely has good chances for the Slams that require less fitness from an endurance standpoint such as Wimbledon and the US Open. I'm definitely a believer again in Murray and think he can win a Slam this year... probably Wimbledon, after Djokovic wins RG upsetting the odds against Nadal.
I'm a bit puzzled by the apparent lack of fitness from Murray. AO 2012, anyone? He didn't go away at all. And the US 2013 final wasn't exactly un-physical either.
Looks like Kim is ready to dump Murray for Djokovic.
I doubt Djoko is ready to dump Jelena for Kim though, I sure wouldn't. But maybe a threesome?

Seems like Novak had it very easy.

No emotions, no screAming, cool as a cucumber as though he won a 500
That's what winning with a bagel does to most players imo. Rara to see in a slam final though


I somewhat agree with those saying Djokovic moves a lot better here and is more fluent. Murray does plod a little more with his feet whilst Novaks flexibility and dexterity makes him recover his position better.

However I think it was pretty evident that it was Murray's forehand that let him down in the 4th. If that can be ascribed to exhaustion, tightness or technique is hard to say. But the problem is that Murray hits it so flat, that he nets a lot more than the other top players. Pulling those shots up from the ground up in the court is tough for Murray. Much like Berdych in that respect. I believe there is room for him improving his forehand technique, adding a little more topspin on some of those shots, changing grip when needed. Obviously he has been working with his FH throughout his career and it may just be what it is - not as good a natural shot as the other top guys and the first to break down when going the distance.

Let's see if Novak can finally get that elusive RG this year.
good post
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Absolutely massive positive signs for Murray though.

This shouldn't be an end, but merely the beginning.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Well done, Novak! What a great win by no.1. Murray also exceeded expectations, so congratulations to him as well. He should be happy to have come back this far. He can only get stronger from here. After the surgery, his career seemed doomed to decline but now he has the confidence, I think we will see Murray constantly challenging for wins again.

I just thought the winner of Djokovic v Wawrinka SF would win the whole thing. They looked to be by far the most consistent players of the tournament. One thing to take away from this tournament, though, is that big 4 are less consistent now. They still win, but it was as if we were looking Federer from 2008, making more errors and playing level fluctuating more than we are used to seeing. I think it's just an indication that big 4 are well in the process of decline and we may have some surprise winners in the remainder of slams this year. Still, I hope to see Djokovic winning FO and Murray winning Wimbledon. They are so good that they deserve more slams than they have now, IMHO. If Djokovic can get to slam no. 9 this year, I think he can get to 11 which is really the minimum number for a player of his calibre.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Absolutely massive positive signs for Murray though.

This shouldn't be an end, but merely the beginning.

Yes, but he was not aggressive enough in the final. Which is peculiar given his aggression earlier on in the tournament. Djokovic is a different caliber opponent however and for sure the best player at the AO.
 

FreeBird

Legend
Congrats mate -I'm happy for you.

Commies to you, Mainad, JRAJ, Terenigma.
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There are more positives to take than negatives from this AO. I think Murray will win a slam and a clay masters this year.

But still annoyed that he gave up after third. :mad: Should have done more.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Murray definitely could have stemmed the tide. Nole played no miss high intensity tennis for the last many games though it has to be said.

Murray needed to maintain the mental effort he had in the first couple of sets.. disappointing really.

Still, overall it was a positive Slam for him.
 
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