Australian Open 2015 Final: Novak Djokovic vs Andy Murray

Djokovic or Murray?


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swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
I agree. Major positive major for Murrray. He showed guts. He will be much better on the grass. His variety and serve will help him. Also shorter points. I think Murray might actually win a few more Wimbledons.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
Q. Is it a legitimate tactic to maybe make your opponent think you're injured and then come back flying?

ANDY MURRAY: No, it's not legitimate. Like I have no idea what the issue was. He obviously looked like he was in quite a bad way at the beginning of the third set and came back unbelievable at the end of that set. Then obviously the way he was hitting the ball in the fourth and moving was impressive. So, yeah, I don't know exactly what the issue was for him.

whatever Djoko tried to pull, it's a bit lame from Murray to condone the same "technique" his been successfully doing for years... :/
look in the mirror mate!
 
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I understand what he is referring to when he talks about Djokovic's ups and downs, but how doesn't he realize that he does exactly the same thing very often is what I don't get. Sometimes, judging by his facial expressions, you have an impression that he is going to die on the court, but all of a sudden, he turns into a superman.

Anyway, that's what separates him, Djokovic and Nadal from Federer, IMO.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
I have to say it. Just as I have predicted! How was the match for those of us who just woke up?

Very good and tense for a bit over two sets. Some good rallies, and both players going toe to toe for a good while. Massive momentum shifts from the very beginning. Murray was up a break in the start of the third, got broken back immediately, and proceeded to fold completely.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
I understand what he is referring to when he talks about Djokovic's ups and downs, but how doesn't he realize that he does exactly the same thing very often is what I don't get. Sometimes, judging by his facial expressions, you have an impression that he is going to die on the court, but all of a sudden, he turns into a superman.

Anyway, that's what separates him, Djokovic and Nadal from Federer, IMO.

yea, what i was saying.
 
Was a heck of a "best-of-3" match. Murray's come back from his 'back' and shouldn't be discouraged. Good effort.

Congratuations to Novak who's put himself in with some all-time great company with more on the horizon. Well done.
 

ThomasGB

Semi-Pro
I have to say it. Just as I have predicted! How was the match for those of us who just woke up?

Superb in the first two sets; both players basically equal. Third set, Djokovic hurt his hand, and Murray's concentration began to slip. In the fourth, Murray kept making errors non-stop, hitting the net nearly every time. Then match point; Murray's backhand hit the net when defending a volley.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
I understand what he is referring to when he talks about Djokovic's ups and downs, but how doesn't he realize that he does exactly the same thing very often is what I don't get. Sometimes, judging by his facial expressions, you have an impression that he is going to die on the court, but all of a sudden, he turns into a superman.

Anyway, that's what separates him, Djokovic and Nadal from Federer, IMO.

he does the same thing and he even aimed a tweet at those having a go at him just last week. But now he has a go at djokovic. Tommy Haas said Murray was the worst for acting injured on court and people in the locker room all talked about it.
 
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he does the same thing and he even aimed a tweet at those having a go at him just last week. But now he has a go at djokovic. Tommy Haas said Murray was the worst for acting injured on court and people in the locker room all talked about it.

Didn't know that.
Anyway, not classy from either of Djokovic/Murray when it comes to acting injured.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Didn't know that.
Anyway, not classy from either of Djokovic/Murray when it comes to acting injured.

Both are pretty bad when it comes to acting injured when they think they are down in a match. Very questionable from two players who are incredibly skilled.

Congrats to Djokovic though. The guy did his act and then once Murray's focus lapsed... Djokovic pounced on him. Murray did not know what hit him.

While I was watching the match, I honestly couldn't believe Murray fell for it. All of these guys play each other way too much to fall for such antics. Murray started playing shots that he never should have -- bad dropshots in the middle of a rally, not going down the line as much, hitting to the middle of the court constantly.

I like Murray and I hope he wins another slam, but he got what he deserved, IMHO. Ignore the other player, execute your game plan, and remain focused.
 

Homeboy Hotel

Hall of Fame
Was audience pro Murray? I hope to watch replay later today, so thanks for all the info.

Not AT ALL.

When they walked onto court it was more Djokovic, and continued to support him throughout all the way. Even when winning the set and being 2-0 up you'd think they would start cheering the underdog but they didn't go crazy over Murray necessarily.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Both are pretty bad when it comes to acting injured when they think they are down in a match. Very questionable from two players who are incredibly skilled.

Congrats to Djokovic though. The guy did his act and then once Murray's focus lapsed... Djokovic pounced on him. Murray did not know what hit him.

While I was watching the match, I honestly couldn't believe Murray fell for it. All of these guys play each other way too much to fall for such antics. Murray started playing shots that he never should have -- bad dropshots in the middle of a rally, not going down the line as much, hitting to the middle of the court constantly.

I like Murray and I hope he wins another slam, but he got what he deserved, IMHO. Ignore the other player, execute your game plan, and remain focused.

I got lambasted earlier in this thread for criticising Murray and saying that he should have stayed professional and not have fallen for Djokovic's injury problems. It happened twice as well, as Murray let 2-0 leads slip in both the second and third sets.
 
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Both are pretty bad when it comes to acting injured when they think they are down in a match. Very questionable from two players who are incredibly skilled.

Congrats to Djokovic though. The guy did his act and then once Murray's focus lapsed... Djokovic pounced on him. Murray did not know what hit him.

While I was watching the match, I honestly couldn't believe Murray fell for it. All of these guys play each other way too much to fall for such antics. Murray started playing shots that he never should have -- bad dropshots in the middle of a rally, not going down the line as much, hitting to the middle of the court constantly.

I like Murray and I hope he wins another slam, but he got what he deserved, IMHO. Ignore the other player, execute your game plan, and remain focused.

I think this court is not suited to his game when he plays Djokovic, because he simply cannot hit through him as much as he would like to. If he shows up with the same intensity and a game plan at the USO/Wimbledon, he might have success, but those conditions, no matter what they say, are slower and allow Djokovic to ground-out basically anyone (Wawrinka has more power than Murray in his groundstrokes, that's why he was able to blow him off the court last year).

Regarding your last paragraph, I agree. I remember that Djokovic also looked "injured" during the SF at Monte Carlo last year (after losing the first set), but Fed simply destroyed him. Murray should have done the same, instead of crying during the press conference.
 

mightyrick

Legend
I got lambasted earlier in this thread for criticising Murray and saying that he should have stayed professional and not have fallen for Djokovic's injury problems. It happened twice as well, as Murray let 2-0 leads slip in both the second and third sets.

Seems to be a sensible observation to me.

The telltale sign of acting injured or truly being injured is whether the other guy just starts giving up points and letting reachable balls go by. Djokovic didn't let any reachable balls go by. He went (and got to) every one of them. Hell, he was still sliding getting to some of those balls.

On the bright side, congrats to Murray. The guy is in the best physical form since he was much younger. He seems to have improved his game greatly. If works a bit on the mental focus side, stays consistent, then he will be giving everyone trouble in the Top-5 in 2015.
 

mightyrick

Legend
I think this court is not suited to his game when he plays Djokovic, because he simply cannot hit through him as much as he would like to.

I agree.

I think beating Djokovic on this (or any surface, really) requires getting him off the baseline. Pushing him back to open up the court and the angles. I've not seen Murray be able to do this, yet. I did see him do better in this final in that department, though.

No surprise, the same approach is required to beat Nadal also.

The only players I've seen who can consistently push Djokovic off the baseline are Federer, Nadal, Wawrinka, and Nishikori.
 

Tiger8

Semi-Pro
I think this court is not suited to his game when he plays Djokovic, because he simply cannot hit through him as much as he would like to. If he shows up with the same intensity and a game plan at the USO/Wimbledon, he might have success, but those conditions, no matter what they say, are slower and allow Djokovic to ground-out basically anyone (Wawrinka has more power than Murray in his groundstrokes, that's why he was able to blow him off the court last year).

Regarding your last paragraph, I agree. I remember that Djokovic also looked "injured" during the SF at Monte Carlo last year (after losing the first set), but Fed simply destroyed him. Murray should have done the same, instead of crying during the press conference.

Djokovic missed the Madrid Masters because of that wrist injury he picked up vs Federer, so I wouldn't call it an "injury", I'd say it was legitimate.
 

Emiliano55

Professional
Pretty upset with Djokovic attitude today, to be honest.

I'm not trying to defend Murray, as he also performs these acting things sometimes, but what Djokovic did today was just irritating.

I mean, he ALWAYS has this acting tendency of exaggerate his current physical problems, but today... it just reminded me of that young Djokovic who had such problems with Roddick.

He kind of evolved from that over the years, but today I saw a 21-years-attitud-old Djokovic, and I didn't like it at all.
 

Djesus

Banned
Pretty upset with Djokovic attitude today, to be honest.

I'm not trying to defend Murray, as he also performs these acting things sometimes, but what Djokovic did today was just irritating.

I mean, he ALWAYS has this acting tendency of exaggerate his current physical problems, but today... it just reminded me of that young Djokovic who had such problems with Roddick.

He kind of evolved from that over the years, but today I saw a 21-years-attitud-old Djokovic, and I didn't like it at all.

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Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
Pretty upset with Djokovic attitude today, to be honest.

I'm not trying to defend Murray, as he also performs these acting things sometimes, but what Djokovic did today was just irritating.

I mean, he ALWAYS has this acting tendency of exaggerate his current physical problems, but today... it just reminded me of that young Djokovic who had such problems with Roddick.

He kind of evolved from that over the years, but today I saw a 21-years-attitud-old Djokovic, and I didn't like it at all.

well, OTOH,
he explained himself quite logically about his 20 minutes of low energy crisis after the 2 grinding sets, which he survived.
and of course, when you consciously or sub consciously do it in front of Murray of all people, it's a fair treat :twisted:
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Congrats to novak.Dude is at the top of the world right now.Winning slams.Has a beautiful wife who just gave him his first son.

I see joker winning more slams in the future barring injury
 

tenisdecente

Hall of Fame
Pretty upset with Djokovic attitude today, to be honest.

I'm not trying to defend Murray, as he also performs these acting things sometimes, but what Djokovic did today was just irritating.

I mean, he ALWAYS has this acting tendency of exaggerate his current physical problems, but today... it just reminded me of that young Djokovic who had such problems with Roddick.

He kind of evolved from that over the years, but today I saw a 21-years-attitud-old Djokovic, and I didn't like it at all.

100% agree with you. Not a GS final to be reminded, unfortunately.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Stat of the match:
Novak-Andy:
2nd serve points won
34/55 (62 %) - 14/41 (34 %)


Average 2nd serve speed
158 KMH - 134 KMH

Funny enough, Novak hit 18 more first serves than Andy, indicating that on average, Novak's service games had more points in them.
 
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FreeBird

Legend
I think this court is not suited to his game when he plays Djokovic, because he simply cannot hit through him as much as he would like to. If he shows up with the same intensity and a game plan at the USO/Wimbledon, he might have success, but those conditions, no matter what they say, are slower and allow Djokovic to ground-out basically anyone (Wawrinka has more power than Murray in his groundstrokes, that's why he was able to blow him off the court last year).

Regarding your last paragraph, I agree. I remember that Djokovic also looked "injured" during the SF at Monte Carlo last year (after losing the first set), but Fed simply destroyed him. Murray should have done the same, instead of crying during the press conference.

Djokovic wore a bandage in the whole tournament even before he met Federer.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I understand what he is referring to when he talks about Djokovic's ups and downs, but how doesn't he realize that he does exactly the same thing very often is what I don't get. Sometimes, judging by his facial expressions, you have an impression that he is going to die on the court, but all of a sudden, he turns into a superman.

Anyway, that's what separates him, Djokovic and Nadal from Federer, IMO.
Well said.

It's Murray's fault that after being the better for the 1st 2 sets and getting the early break in the 3rd, he collapsed. Should have been worrying about his own game.

Djokovic, minus the windy Karlovic upset, on another of his late year/early year runs. This one could last into June and Paris too.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
This match pretty sure turned out the way I expected/feared it would. Djok in 4, after quite a few major mental collapses by Murray - who was leading with a break in all sets bar the second one.

Congrats to Djok. Deserved victor and of course Mr. AO right now.
That said, Murray should have to question himself on the way he allowed himself to get intimidated by - genuine-or-not - hints of an injury by Djok.
A superb display of Commedia dell'Arte, unfortunately, but Muzz has noone but himself to blame at the way he allowed himself to get rattled by it.

So, once again, the best opponent Djok had to deal with during this AO was... Stan Wawrinka!
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Well, it's official. The toughest opponent for Djoko at AO is not Murray, it's Wawrinka! Wouldn't have thought but I was wrong. So new respect for Stan.
And Novak ties Agassi for # of slams: so, so happy about that.
On a side note, Murray should fire Mauresmo ;)
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
I got lambasted earlier in this thread for criticising Murray and saying that he should have stayed professional and not have fallen for Djokovic's injury problems. It happened twice as well, as Murray let 2-0 leads slip in both the second and third sets.

Spot on.

10 spotons
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
People are blaming Novak for not having enough injuries
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The salt level is strong with that one.
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Bitter, sour, resentful . Who cares? Bagel in last set in both SF and F. Novak is a beast :)
And this is the 5th consecutive season Novak wins at least a slam. Good for him. And good for the defense of his #1 ranking!
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Congrats to Murray for getting over his back issues and, well, he beat Berdych.
Lol what a solace...

Everybody was babbling in this event about "new Berd" , "new Murray", "new Wawa", etc. Well, Berd is still the headcase he always was, Murray is still not on par with Djoko (quite the losing streak he has vs him now), Fed is still declining, AO is still Nadal's worst slam, Wawa is still a one slam wonder, the young guns are still not taking the limelight and Djoko is still the best player in the world.

What has changed exactly? So far, nothing
 

Gru

New User
Oh come on, Murray is The Possum King, The Possumator, the Possusaurus. He is just showing how weak he is when trying to find a reason for losing the focus in Novak.

There were no medical time outs or anything like that. The biggest distraction was the "political protest", since it actually stopped the play. That break playing into Murray's hands.

It should be Djoker complaining about his luck, not Murray complaining about Novak shaking his hand or his feet to get them moving again.

What a BABY. WOW.
 

hugobosstachini

Professional
whatever Djoko tried to pull, it's a bit lame from Murray to condone the same "technique" his been successfully doing for years... :/
look in the mirror mate!

People lie everyday yet always condone other people that lie. It's not because you smoke that you can't advise somebody to not smoke. And telling somebody to not do so because you do it doesn't make you wrong. That's the rebel "teenager-logic fallacy" that people love to use to justify a wrong, because you [...] I can [...] then you have nothing to tell me. Facts are that, the "alleged" fake injury is immoral in regards to the spirit of tennis and the sport in general regardless of what Murray has done in the past. When Murray will do the same tomorrow, then it will be his turn to have gone out of bounds.

As a consequence, that's the exact same reason (because you attacked me, I'll attack you back, and because you killed my people, I'll kill your people back ; this, and even those who had nothing to do with the initial attack) that cost the US to make war to Irak when at the end of the day they found nothing. Murder doesn't justify murder ; though it does deserve some sort of sanction other than killing.

So in other terms, Murray didn't deserve that, and, even if he did because of his previous actions like you seem to assume, we'd have to agree on the fact that everyone deserves bad since everyone does bad, and, wish that Djokovic gets a quick deserved payback from his action today in a next big match like Murray got his because of his so said previous ones. I was just only answering that part of your post since I'm not in the "fan-war" BS.
 
I went to sleep when Murray was up by 2 in the 3rd... I wake up and uuggghh.

Those first 2sets were like 6 sets themselves but it highlighted one thing. Murray needs to focus on fixing that second serve. Not merely better he needs to add another dimension.

I believe Novak does hold an advantage at the AO (overeveryone) and Murray at Wimbledon (which makes his slice backhand and serve more dangerous) but this is a learning moment. Imafaraid of thegrizzly details.

so far only Wawrinka has shown he has the game to simply blow Novak off the court and it requires something nobody can expectto bring withy them on anything but a special day.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
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Real injuries?:)

oh so thisis all about Novak playing possum...Murray does it too. I think after those first 2 sets we were looking at possibly the most brutal tennis match ever. Maybe those two (whove done this so many times) simply went into shutdown mode for a few games... but murray for an entire set and a half??

There is a reason Lendl was perfect for him... I think Maurismo is fine but unless she can teach him a new second serve this just doesnt cut it.

Wierd match.... Murray will win Wimbledon.

Very good and tense for a bit over two sets. Some good rallies, and both players going toe to toe for a good while. Massive momentum shifts from the very beginning. Murray was up a break in the start of the third, got broken back immediately, and proceeded to fold completely.

it was weird and annoying but Murray does it too... sit down with yourcoach a psychologist andcome up with something infinitely more annoying... like over celebrating on every point. Maybe break out some dance moves? or simply go super siayan?
 
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Djesus

Banned
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