Australian Open 2016 SF - [1] Djokovic vs. [3] Federer

Winner?

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 38 20.9%
  • Djokovic in 4

    Votes: 63 34.6%
  • Djokovic in 5

    Votes: 9 4.9%
  • Federer in 5

    Votes: 12 6.6%
  • Federer in 4

    Votes: 49 26.9%
  • Federer in 3

    Votes: 11 6.0%

  • Total voters
    182
  • Poll closed .

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
The first part I'm not convinced of, but I agree with the second paragraph. I should have clarified though. When I said "many" Djokovic fans I meant mostly the younger ones who have Djokovic as their first favourite. The older fans like you, understand what it means to watch someone decline or fade away. The younger Djokovic fans don't seem to understand this yet. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Like I said, I remember feeling like that once. When Federer first started to really decline around about 2010, I was pretty surprised, but I've gotten used to it.

The Nadal fans are going through this now as well. Around 2014 they were in shock, but over time you come to terms with the fact that it'll never be 2008 again, and after 2015 they started to realize that. This is not to say Djokovic will decline right away from this point on, but a lot of people will be in for a surprise when he does because I've seen them talk around here over the last year or so.
No one beats time. I think most Djokovic fans will do just fine. He could decline this year you never know.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
It depends on the length of the match. I have a very hard time believing Roger could bet Nole in straights or in less than 2.5 hours. If he somehow (and it would be a miracle) beats him in five, Roger would not win #18, Murray would take it. Remember the Olympic final in 2012...

He has 2 days off before the final, Olympics he played on back to back days without rest, that's a huge difference.
 
I think pretty much everyone here knows a number of things that will likely happen, even if they are trying not to admit it.

1) Novak's level will go up several levels from his previous matches and he will keep it together mentally at the most crucial moments.
2) Fed's serve will underperform, especially if Fed has the momentum.
3) If Fed creates a glut of BPs, you better believe he will blow most of them.
4) If slicing and using variety is having a positive impact, Fed will cut that out right away so that he can go all stubborn "I want to beat you at your own game " Fed mode, which will of course result in a loss, but at least he gets to gush about how "physical" the match was and stroke his ego at trying to compete blow-for-blow with the younger guys.
5) If it gets to the point where the match is essentially over, Fed will finally loosen up (after a few sets of tight, tense playing) and mount a comeback only to get nervous once he realises he might be back in with a chance and lose anyway.

Fed is at the point mentally with Novak at Majors that he was with Rafa post-AO 2009. Which shouldn't be a problem. Novak should be beating him now. He is the dominant 28-year-old world #1 and Fed is the 34-year-old veteran that has had retirement speculation for years. If Novak was just a level or two above Fed and won the matches comfortably, it would be fine. Fed did well to get there and lost to the guy he should be losing to. But it is the fact that Fed can live with him and outplay him for stretches of these matches, only for braincramps/nerves to cause his level to drop, and he loses in typically painful ways in these big matches against Rafa and Novak. It is the hope that kills when really it is inevitable what will happen. Seen it too many times.
All of the points you've made are accurate and most people here understand that. Still, we don't know for sure what will happen tomorrow. Until the match is over there's always a chance that it could go either way. So I'd rather be positive about it and hope that Roger will sort it out mentally than sulk over something that is yet to happen.
:)
 

Bad_Knee

Professional
This will be a true test to see if Ljub makes any difference at all...I think we will see less net rushing and more early powerful baseline striking from Fed, this seems to be Ljubs philosophy.
 
Way back in 2012, when you appeared in this forum after Roger's Wimbledon 2012 win, I used to tell you that I don't think you are a Roger Federer fan :D

I don't think any sane fan of Roger Federer would expect past his prime Roger to destroy Novak, one of the greatest players at AO, especially when he couldn't get two sets off him at Wimbledon and US Open last year, two of his best slams!:)
Its about time, you come out of your delusions....
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
He has 2 days off before the final, Olympics he played on back to back days without rest, that's a huge difference.

I don't think he played on back to back days. He had one day off. Like you'd normally have at a GS. Still, having 2 complete days off would be better, obviously.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I think pretty much everyone here knows a number of things that will likely happen, even if they are trying not to admit it.

1) Novak's level will go up several levels from his previous matches and he will keep it together mentally at the most crucial moments.
2) Fed's serve will underperform, especially if Fed has the momentum.
3) If Fed creates a glut of BPs, you better believe he will blow most of them.
4) If slicing and using variety is having a positive impact, Fed will cut that out right away so that he can go all stubborn "I want to beat you at your own game " Fed mode, which will of course result in a loss, but at least he gets to gush about how "physical" the match was and stroke his ego at trying to compete blow-for-blow with the younger guys.
5) If it gets to the point where the match is essentially over, Fed will finally loosen up (after a few sets of tight, tense playing) and mount a comeback only to get nervous once he realises he might be back in with a chance and lose anyway.

Fed is at the point mentally with Novak at Majors that he was with Rafa post-AO 2009. Which shouldn't be a problem. Novak should be beating him now. He is the dominant 28-year-old world #1 and Fed is the 34-year-old veteran that has had retirement speculation for years. If Novak was just a level or two above Fed and won the matches comfortably, it would be fine. Fed did well to get there and lost to the guy he should be losing to. But it is the fact that Fed can live with him and outplay him for stretches of these matches, only for braincramps/nerves to cause his level to drop, and he loses in typically painful ways in these big matches against Rafa and Novak. It is the hope that kills when really it is inevitable what will happen. Seen it too many times.

This post should be stickied. You just absolutely nailed it.
 

Serve&Bash

Semi-Pro
Will be rooting hard for Federer. Looking forward to this match. I might sleep through it though if I ignore my alarm clock like I have been doing this entire AO.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
I think pretty much everyone here knows a number of things that will likely happen, even if they are trying not to admit it.

1) Novak's level will go up several levels from his previous matches and he will keep it together mentally at the most crucial moments.
2) Fed's serve will underperform, especially if Fed has the momentum.
3) If Fed creates a glut of BPs, you better believe he will blow most of them.
4) If slicing and using variety is having a positive impact, Fed will cut that out right away so that he can go all stubborn "I want to beat you at your own game " Fed mode, which will of course result in a loss, but at least he gets to gush about how "physical" the match was and stroke his ego at trying to compete blow-for-blow with the younger guys.
5) If it gets to the point where the match is essentially over, Fed will finally loosen up (after a few sets of tight, tense playing) and mount a comeback only to get nervous once he realises he might be back in with a chance and lose anyway.

Fed is at the point mentally with Novak at Majors that he was with Rafa post-AO 2009. Which shouldn't be a problem. Novak should be beating him now. He is the dominant 28-year-old world #1 and Fed is the 34-year-old veteran that has had retirement speculation for years. If Novak was just a level or two above Fed and won the matches comfortably, it would be fine. Fed did well to get there and lost to the guy he should be losing to. But it is the fact that Fed can live with him and outplay him for stretches of these matches, only for braincramps/nerves to cause his level to drop, and he loses in typically painful ways in these big matches against Rafa and Novak. It is the hope that kills when really it is inevitable what will happen. Seen it too many times.


Excellent post, Sir.

However, for the next 15 hours I shall indulge in the following delusion:
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Checkmate

Legend
what funny language the journalist uses:

"Novak Djokovic says only his absolute best will be good enough to topple Roger Federer and vault him into a sixth Australian Open final in Melbourne"

Topple as though Fedr is the reigning champion. Vaulting him to a win is hilarious.:D :D

Yep,they are making him sound as if he is the No.3.
 

Checkmate

Legend
Will anyone be surprised if Djokovic really crushes Federer like what he did in Doha to Nadal....I mean not even close...something like 6-2 6-2 6-1
 

Serve&Bash

Semi-Pro
Will anyone be surprised if Djokovic really crushes Federer like what he did in Doha to Nadal....I mean not even close...something like 6-2 6-2 6-1
Yes, because it would entail either Federer serving 25% 1st serves or Djokovic playing at level never seen before in history...a level so high it makes his form in 2011/2015 seasons look like mug-versions of him.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Will anyone be surprised if Djokovic really crushes Federer like what he did in Doha to Nadal....I mean not even close...something like 6-2 6-2 6-1

By that much, yes. Federer's serve is likely too good for that. I could easily see straights like 6-3 7-5 6-3 or something, but not 2, 2 and 1. That's pushing it.
 

Chicharito

Hall of Fame
I wish this was the final. Not much anticipation, first because the result seems a formality and because 2nd who cares if Fed wins. Still be 48 hours left.

Would be so utterly pointless of Federer to win this and lose the final. A waste.

To beat Murray would take another brilliant performance. Would be confident v a presumably nervy Milos.
 

Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
So I've gone out and bet on Fedr for the win here (decent odds at 3.3) but have hedged against it by betting on Novak for the title and Murray to be the beaten finalist (through a different agency).
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Looks like the match will be played indoors. Should favour Fed, no?
Most probably what he wants, but I don't think it makes that much of a difference in this match-up given that Novak prefers shielded conditions as well. A medium-slow indoor court is right in Novak's wheelhouse.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Despite the possible and arguably odds on disappointment, I am quietly amazed and pleased that Fedr is able to keep making these Finals and semifinals to compete with Ultron. He has also played well enough in each of the last 3 slams to provide good reason for being hopeful for a victory and #18. That's quite incredible in itself really when you think about it. He's been blasting his way to the World Number 1 each and every time, giving himself the chance that losing early would never allow.
 

Adv. Edberg

Legend
Most probably what he wants, but I don't think it makes that much of a difference in this match-up given that Novak prefers shielded conditions as well. A medium-slow indoor court is right in Novak's wheelhouse.

True. But favours Fed more than Djoko so if anything it should be a closer match I think. Won't be straigh sets for Djoko no longer.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
This is not going to be easy for the heavyweight champion of the world.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
This is no dig at Nadal, but more as a demonstration of how difficult it can be to maintain top level performances at slams as you decline: Note that Nadal's results in the last three slams were 2R, 3R and 1R . Suddenly, reaching F, F and at least SF with showdowns against the world number 1, although frustrating, can be very greatly appreciated.
 

R_Federer

Professional
Despite the possible and arguably odds on disappointment, I am quietly amazed and pleased that Fedr is able to keep making these Finals and semifinals to compete with Ultron. He has also played well enough in each of the last 3 slams to provide good reason for being hopeful for a victory and #18. That's quite incredible in itself really when you think about it. He's been blasting his way to the World Number 1 each and every time, giving himself the chance that losing early would never allow.

Agreed and Federer really is the 2nd best player in the world at the moment. I don't know who actually believes Murray is ahead of him.
 

Checkmate

Legend
I wish this was the final. Not much anticipation, first because the result seems a formality and because 2nd who cares if Fed wins. Still be 48 hours left.

Would be so utterly pointless of Federer to win this and lose the final. A waste.

To beat Murray would take another brilliant performance. Would be confident v a presumably nervy Milos.

Not pointless at all..

It will give 2 days to Grandpa fans to blast the entire General Pro Player Discussion
I am pretty sure,this place can't handle a Rogerrrrrrrrr win.

 
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