Australian Open 2016 SF - [1] Djokovic vs. [3] Federer

Winner?

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 38 20.9%

  • Djokovic in 4

    Votes: 63 34.6%

  • Djokovic in 5

    Votes: 9 4.9%

  • Federer in 5

    Votes: 12 6.6%

  • Federer in 4

    Votes: 49 26.9%

  • Federer in 3

    Votes: 11 6.0%
  • Total voters
    182
  • Poll closed .
Steve0904 said:
My prediction came from watching Federer blow his chances at Wimbledon and the USO. Knowing that Federer can't outlast Djokovic in BO5 which he would probably have to do at the AO. And being ok with that. :)
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So what´s you predicition for the second SF and afterwards for the final?
 
I didn't finish watching the match. I guess no SABR attack on this match? After asked by Courier about SABR, Fed said during his last after-match interview that he was going to use one during his next match - which is this match. My guess is it didn't happen.

Fed did say that he needed to be in the right frame of mind to do SABR. I suppose losing the first two sets 1 and 2 will not get him in the right mood to do it.
 
What a performance by Novak Djokovic. Happy Federer at least took a set off Djokovic at his best surface while being in the post prime level.
 
Nostradamus said:
Kind of odd that Novak was returning serve so well in 1st 2 sets ?? Roger's 1st serve is usually very effective against Novak
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His average for the match was just 57%, way down on what it usually is for other opponents. Roger just can't serve well enough against Novak. That's his problem!
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
How many finals in a row has Nole made now guys??
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17 finals from AO 2015-AO 2016...:eek:

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Decent effort by Fed in the third set, but then Djoko just started off like a house on fire. I thought it would be over within the blink of an eye by the end of the third set, but then Fed raised his level and fought back which kind of upped my hope. Novak got a bit lucky with the net chord in the fourth set. The deserving one won in the end I guess.
 
Why did Novak LAugh when asked What are you expecting from Murray vs Raonic match ?? He Laughed like "Oh,,those two, they are nothing, I can beat them both easy"..............Haaahhhhhhaaaaaaa........................LOL
 
Adv. Edberg said:
Peak Fed would've won this match in 3 or 4 sets. Fed is 35 almost and did 51ue in such a short match. It wasn't exactly a tough match for Djoko.
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Maybe, maybe not. I definitely agree that peak fed would have had fought harder and the scoreline would have been closer and less pathetic in the first two sets. peak fed was amazing(something some of these nole fans forget or act like it never happened) but tbqh on this surface, djokovic is a beast. i would stand behind your statement 100% for USO/wimbledon, perhaps maybe even FO and even then I'm not sure, but not for AO. I understand the frustration at fed losing to djokovic and I definitely agree age plays a factor, but he was 5 years younger in 2011 and lost in 3 and sure, mono played a role in 2008 as well, but at the end of the day imo he still lost and I think there is a reason djokovic excels here more than anywhere else.
 
the thing that frustrates me about fed's response to this match is when asked about his win in the third set, he talked about how nole dropped his level and that is what he needed....and that obviously played a part, but that mentality of just waiting for djokovic's level to drop or waiting for djokovic to make errors is worrying. Not to mention his delusional statement about exchanging baseline rallies with djokovic because boy what are you smoking. its amazing he can analyze other people's games rather well, but doesn't know what might put him in the winners seat against djokovic. Well perhaps he does but execution is easier said than done.
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
How many finals in a row has Nole made now guys??
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17! And what makes it much better than Lendl's streak is that it includes a lot of main events (only 1 250 and 2 500 in the streak): (the ones he won are in bold)

1- AO 2015
2- Dubai 2015
3- IW 2015
4- MIAMI 2015
5- M-C 2015
6- ROME 2015
7- RG 2015
8- W 2015
9- CANADA 2015
10- CINCY 2015
11- USO 2015
12- Beijing 2015
13- SHANGHAI 2015
14- PARIS 2015
15- WTF 2015
16- Doha 2016
17- AO 2016

And he won 12 (or 13) of them. So that's quite the feat.
Novak has just forgotten how to lose...
 
icedevil0289 said:
the thing that frustrates me about fed's response to this match is when asked about his win in the third set, he talked about how nole dropped his level and that is what he needed....and that obviously played a part, but that mentality of just waiting for djokovic's level to drop or waiting for djokovic to make errors is worrying. Not to mention his delusional statement about exchanging baseline rallies with djokovic because boy what are you smoking. its amazing he can analyze other people's games rather well, but doesn't know what might put him in the winners seat against djokovic. Well perhaps he does but execution is easier said than done.
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Novak's level didn't even drop that much, he was probably worse at the start of the 4th than he was in the third but Fed could not take advantage. Djoker gifted Fed 0-30 to open the 4th but Fed missed like 3 straight second serve returns or something. Novak served 70+ % in the third, 8 winners to 7 UFE, but the biggest difference was Fed going balls to the walls aggressive with 18 winners to 16 UFE compared to like 10 and 24 or something terrible like that the first two sets combined.

That being said, it doesn't matter what Fed says, but unfortunately his play reflects what he really feels and that is discouraging.

What just Fed just seems to not realize, and this was the same issue with nadal, is that UFE's will happen either way. Would you rather make them going for winners or sending a routine shot long after a 10 stroke rally? Doesn't help that he forgets to serve against Novak either.
 
This was a really fun thread to read. It went from: Fed in 3 (how does it feel to live in a mental institution btw?) and: I have a feeling Fed will take that one, he's due for a win! to OMG I hope he doesn't get bageled, please, please god let him have a game, just one! to: Fed is done, he should retire! to OMG he won a set, how did he do that, my life is complete
hahahahahahahaha so entertaining, you got to love this board :)

And what is the morality again? Oh yeah this is AO. Fed cannot even beat Nadal at AO. He cannot even beat Djoko at W, so Djoko at AO... :oops:
 
veroniquem said:
17! And what makes it much better than Lendl's streak is that it includes a lot of main events (only 1 250 and 2 500 in the streak): (the ones he won are in bold)

1- AO 2015
2- Dubai 2015
3- IW 2015
4- MIAMI 2015
5- M-C 2015
6- ROME 2015
7- RG 2015
8- W 2015
9- CANADA 2015
10- CINCY 2015
11- USO 2015
12- Beijing 2015
13- SHANGHAI 2015
14- PARIS 2015
15- WTF 2015
16- Doha 2016
17- AO 2016

And he won 12 (or 13) of them. So that's quite the feat.
Novak has just forgotten how to lose...
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On the other hand. Lendls included so many atg's in their prime/peak. Djoko only has Murray/Wawa in their prime really.

Nadal - Past prime
Fed - Past prime
Söderling - Injured/retired
Delpo - Injured
 
Does anybody know how long the match lasted in the end?

In all seriousness, 1 set is an excellent result for Fed vs Djoko at AO. He couldn't really hope for much better. He should be pretty happy with his game.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
Unbelievable feat in that era. Even though I've never been a fan but Lendl truly is one of the goats.

Had to play against prime Sampras, Agassi, Edberg, Becker, Wilander, Courier, Borg, McEnroe, Muster, Bruguera etc etc.

Of course Djok should be able to make another 10 finals fairly easy though.
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Well, I assume he probably lost most of them, or the most important ones.
 
veroniquem said:
Does anybody know how long the match lasted in the end?

In all seriousness, 1 set is an excellent result for Fed vs Djoko at AO. He couldn't really hope for much better. He should be pretty happy with his game.
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2h 19m. Same time as last time Fed beat Djoko in a slam. 2012 W.
 
Novak winning AO was the lock of the century. lol @ anyone who didn't bet their life savings on him. Have fun with your 5-1 odds.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
Unbelievable feat in that era. Even though I've never been a fan but Lendl truly is one of the goats.

Had to play against prime Sampras, Agassi, Edberg, Becker, Wilander, Courier, Borg, McEnroe, Muster, Bruguera etc etc
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When is this streak supposed to have happened? Dates? Lendl hasn't even made more than 4 slam finals in a row. Novak's now includes 5 slam finals + WTF.
Sampras, Agassi, BRUGUERA, Courier? Lol. Lendl stopped being a factor in 1990. Bruguera was during mid-90s (all the others were also 90s players.)
Way to pretend you know anything about tennis history...
Lendl's main competition was Wilander, McEnroe, the beginning of Becker/Edberg
Newsflash: Lendl dominated during the 80s, not the 90s!!
 
Well, I didn't get to catch the match live, but I've just watched some decent highlights.

I'm really not seeing this unbeatable monster from the first 2 sets that everyone else is. There was a period of the 2nd set where he was playing that way but generally it wasn't much that I haven't seen from him before. Maybe I've been spoilt with Fed highlight reels from his dominant years and envision that level of athleticism and reliable firepower overcoming Djoker in some of these rallies when that is irrelevant to the situation.

However, he was playing to a very high level (as usual against Fed), with unreal defense and counter-punching ability (some gets were utterly insane) that would have required a huge performance from Fed, which he could only muster in the 3rd set. There was a decently long window of opportunity for Fed in the 4th set where Djoker cooled off, and the Fed of the 3rd set would likely have taken that set or pushed it very close. But Fed messing up on 2nd serve returns so often and making some surprising errors was very costly. Djokovic served great throughout the match and often does against Fed lately. Fed really does bring the very best out of him it seems, which is good for tennis.

First set taken off Djoker on Plexi though, which a lot of people have overlooked. Much of Fed's play really stretched Armstrong to his absolute limits, and if Fed can do that on molasses, then I'm pretty excited as to what he's going to be able to do on a faster court.

This is just the beginning for this optimist.
 
user said:
Well, I assume he probably lost most of them, or the most important ones.
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Yep, probably. But still. It was different back
veroniquem said:
When is this streak supposed to have happened? Dates? Lendl hasn't even made more than 4 slam finals in a row. Novak's now includes 5 slam finals + WTF.
Sampras, Agassi, BRUGUERA, Courier? Lol. Lendl stopped being a factor in 1990. Bruguera was during mid-90s (all the others were also 90s players.)
Way to pretend you know anything about tennis history...
Lendl's main competition was Wilander, McEnroe, the beginning of Becker/Edberg
Newsflash: Lendl dominated during the 80s, not the 90s!!
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It's very off topic now. But he won a slam in 90. He still competed with prime Sampras/Agassi etc (who had won slams) even if he was gonna retire 4 years later. And peak Edberg/Becker/Mac/Lendl etc.
 
Watching the replay now. Federer found more 1st serves in the 3rd set, and got some comfy holds. Haven´t checked the stats, but I don´t believe he made more than just over 50% of his 1st serves in the two first sets. 5 aces in 4 sets is very poor by Federer´s standards. Without the 1st serve, Federer is easily kept at the baseline by Djokovic. Watching the replay, this was not "the best tennis ever seen". Perhaps it was better "live"? ;)
 
TearTheRoofOff said:
I'm really not seeing this unbeatable monster from the first 2 sets that everyone else is. There was a period of the 2nd set where he was playing that way but generally it wasn't much that I haven't seen from him before. Maybe I've been spoilt with Fed highlight reels from his dominant years and envision that level of athleticism and reliable firepower overcoming Djoker in some of these rallies when that is irrelevant to the situation.
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I think it's mostly the commentators. They constantly say how unreal Djoko is when he's beating the top 5 easily. When in fact it's more the opponent who's playing badly. But they wouldn't say that cause it doesn't sound as good and very negative even if it's true.

Fed did 51ue in a 2h match. That's a lot...

Djoko played decent I thought. You wouldn't expect anything less from any nr1. How Fed is still ranked nr3 is beyond me though.
 
Also, people are concerned with the idea of Fed acknowledging the benefits of Djoker's level dropping.... EVERYONE's level fluctuates. If Rosol always played at his highest level he'd probably win Wimbledon. Even Fed against Hewitt in 04 US Open final cooled off in the second set, hence the hilarious scoreline symmetry. You can bet your house that Hewitt was happy when it did.

Oh and I'm pretty pleased with Fed's FH. It wasn't enough as part of his whole package today, but he hit some real stingers today. Anyone but Dhalsim would have been smoked, even in these conditions. This makes me very happy going forward.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
I think it's mostly the commentators. They constantly say how unreal Djoko is when he's beating the top 5 easily. When in fact it's more the opponent who's playing badly. But they wouldn't say that cause it doesn't sound as good and very negative even if it's true.

Fed did 51ue in a 2h match. That's a lot...

Djoko played decent I thought. You wouldn't expect anything less from any nr1. How Fed is still ranked nr3 is beyond me though.
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Pretty much this though I recognize that Djokovic played better than decent. He played very good tennis, but I just didn't see this unbeatable tennis that people were talking about.

51 UE in 33 games is pretty bad, actually. It's a positive sign that when Fed shows up as in the 3rd set, it's hard to tell who is the no.1 player.
 
JRAJ1988 said:
Here's the highlights Guys/Gals. Nole was moving like a Jaguar.
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Interesting highlights. It masks a lot of what can be seen in the match. Missing are countless points in which Federer presented the perfect platform for counterpunchervic to GOAT with his bizarrely stubborn and continuously aggressive court positioning . A lot of those points are somewhat mundane and not highlights worthy though. It paints some of the picture but is misleading regarding some of the tactics used in the match.
 
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