Australian Open 2022 Final: Rafael Nadal vs Daniil Medvedev

Nadal or Med?


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Rina

Hall of Fame
The only reason I want Medvedev to win is so Nadal doesn't over take Djokovic in slam count. Though, honestly Novak deserves to be down after being a total tool. You don't play games with your Grand Slam count, and that included vaccinates and politics. Don't let Nadal play with bunch of losers and think you are going to get away with someone else beating him!
 
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Deleted member 788697

Guest
Nadal def. Berrettini 63 62 36 63
Nadal returned Berrettini's 2nd Serve from on/inside the baseline for first 2 sets, then far behind the baseline in 3rd Set.

Medvedev def. Tsitisipas 76(5) 46 64 61
Medvedev saved breakpoints at start of 3rd Set, and Tsitsipas could not maintain the level after that.
 

NeutralFan

Legend
Nadal def. Berrettini 63 62 36 63
Nadal returned Berrettini's 2nd Serve from on/inside the baseline for first 2 sets, then far behind the baseline in 3rd Set.

Medvedev def. Tsitisipas 76(5) 46 64 61
Medvedev saved breakpoints at start of 3rd Set, and Tsitsipas could not maintain the level after that.
Your pick ?
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Its moderately tough for anyone.
Very tough for a 35.5 year old.

Now again,

imagine if AO 17 fed met this AO 22 nadal (similar ages). fed'd make it a bloodbath. AO 17 nadal was actually playing good (though past his prime) unlike now.

oh and just in case you forgot:

AO 17: Wawa was playing at prime level at his favorite slam AO. you know the same wawa that thrashed the living daylights outta your boy Nadal in AO 14 :-D :-D :-D

go and cry over that, butthurt guy :)

Just out of curiosity, you keep calling AO Wawrinka's favorite slam. He has more wins, a better winning percentage, more QF or later appearances and more second week appearances at both RG and USO. So by every measure, AO is his second to worst slam.

Are you just being ironic or are you that ignorant lol? :censored::laughing:
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Just out of curiosity, you keep calling AO Wawrinka's favorite slam. He has more wins, a better winning percentage, more QF or later appearances and more second week appearances at both RG and USO. So by every measure, AO is his second to worst slam.

Are you just being ironic or are you that ignorant lol? :censored::laughing:
firstly:
Wawa has 5 QF+ at AO: 11, 14,15,17,20
5 QF+ at RG
6 QF+ at USO

so you are wrong about RG.
Secondly wawa was stopped by Djoko in 4R in 2013. that form was better than some winners, let alone QF-finalist at AO. that makes it 6 runs.

43-15 at AO vs 44-15 at FO. big diff. whoopity do.

AO 14 - he beat Djoko, Nadal and Berdych.
A clearly tougher draw than RG 15 and way tougher than USO 16.

A tiny bit more consistent at USO than AO, but his peak level at AO is significantly better than at USO.

4 prime level runs at AO: 13,14,15,17
3 prime level runs at RG: 15,16,17
3 prime level runs at USO: 13,15,16

took 5-sets to beat him in 13,15,17 at AO (Djoko, Djoko, Fed). no easy enough wins for anyone or demolitions.
only 4 set in RG 16 semi and got demolished in RG 17 final
got demolished in USO 15 semi
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
firstly:
Wawa has 5 QF+ at AO: 11, 14,15,17,20
5 QF+ at RG
6 QF+ at USO

so you are wrong about RG.
Secondly wawa was stopped by Djoko in 4R in 2013. that form was better than some winners, let alone QF-finalist at AO. that makes it 6 runs.

43-15 at AO vs 44-15 at FO. big diff. whoopity do.

AO 14 - he beat Djoko, Nadal and Berdych.
A clearly tougher draw than RG 15 and way tougher than USO 16.

A tiny bit more consistent at USO than AO, but his peak level at AO is significantly better than at USO.

I love how out of 5 metrics at two slams, you found 1 discrepancy and think that disproves AO is factually his second weakest slam. And I even got you to admit he's stronger at USO.

Too easy :laughing:
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I love how out of 5 metrics at two slams, you found 1 discrepancy and think that disproves AO is factually his second weakest slam. And I even got you to admit he's stronger at USO.

Too easy :laughing:
only someone clueless will say that.

A tiny bit more consistent at USO than AO, but his peak level at AO is significantly better than at USO.

4 prime level runs at AO: 13,14,15,17
3 prime level runs at RG: 15,16,17
3 prime level runs at USO: 13,15,16

took 5-sets to beat him in 13,15,17 at AO (Djoko, Djoko, Fed). no 4-set wins for anyone or demolitions.
only 4 set in RG 16 semi and got demolished in RG 17 final
got demolished in USO 15 semi

had to save MP vs frickin Evans to win USO 16.

prime/peak level wise, USO is his 3rd best slam.
 

Ajosin

Rookie
Rafa has 44% win rate in non-clay slam finals. Even worse at AO, but some finals were very close and winnable for him. Sometimes fortune is like that.

He can win Sunday, but has to be healthy and be at his highest level. It won't be easy against an opponent who just bested Novak at the USO, but he knows how to prepare his body to peak in a slam final.

If he gets this, it will be well deserved. Then onto RG to fight for #22 and break the record again
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
only someone clueless will say that.

A tiny bit more consistent at USO than AO, but his peak level at AO is significantly better than at USO.

4 prime level runs at AO: 13,14,15,17
3 prime level runs at RG: 15,16,17
3 prime level runs at USO: 13,15,16

took 5-sets to beat him in 13,15,17 at AO (Djoko, Djoko, Fed). no 4-set wins for anyone or demolitions.
only 4 set in RG 16 semi and got demolished in RG 17 final
got demolished in USO 15 semi

had to save MP vs frickin Evans to win USO 16.

prime/peak level wise, USO is his 3rd best slam.
You're quite boring 8-B
 

joekapa

Legend
The result will be
1) Nadal in 3, fairly easy sets.
2) Nadal in 4 slightly harder sets.
3)Med in 4 tough sets.
4) Med in 5.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
I’d love to see meddy do it to save Novak here. He seems on a mission. He mentioned Djoko a few times. Meddy taking that new Djokovic role.

I think Rafa can win it though and might find a way. Meddy is the right one to take him on. He’s got edge, better BH and good movement.

It will be a cracker but can meddy save Djokovic? That being said I feel nadal may win in 5. Looking forward to it though
No way bro. If the match goes 5 sets, there is ONLY ONE winner. Nadal CANNOT last more than 3 hours.
I don't feel Nadal has much chance here honestly. Meddy is just too good. Only Novak could have beaten Med in this form.
 
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Deleted member 788697

Guest
Medvedev has 80% chance to win and should be the favorite here.
Lost to Novak at his best HC slam AO, then denied Novak's #21 at his worst slam USO
Lost to Rafa at his best HC slam USO, then going to deny Rafa's 21 at his worst slam AO
The stars have aligned for Meddy.
Also depends on how each player performs on Sunday.
 

tudwell

Legend
Mannarino and Berrettini is tougher than M.Zverev and Berdy in 2017 lol
Come on, man. Fed played tougher opponents before even making the quarters (Nishikori and Berdych) than Nadal did to make the final. Then he had Wawrinka on top of that (on one of the rare occasions Wawrinka actually could hang with Fed on a hard court). It’s night and day.

I’ll give you that Med today is probably a more imposing opponent on hard than Nadal was going into and in that Aussie final, but he still needs to back it up with a good performance in the final.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Come on, man. Fed played tougher opponents before even making the quarters (Nishikori and Berdych) than Nadal did to make the final. Then he had Wawrinka on top of that (on one of the rare occasions Wawrinka actually could hang with Fed on a hard court). It’s night and day.

I’ll give you that Med today is probably a more imposing opponent on hard than Nadal was going into and in that Aussie final, but he still needs to back it up with a good performance in the final.
Hmm, I think 2017 Fed beats this Med in 4. Horrible match-up.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
There really is no path to a Nadal victory here. Even if he plays the tennis of his life and comes out firing, Med can still outlast him physically.
However the more usual matchup between them will just exhaust Nadal and he will lose steam. If Med plays the way he did against Titsp in set 3 and set 4 - it might even be easy.
Med in 3 or 4 is the most likely pick.

Nadal will have to wait for RG to maybe get his #21. AO continues to be cursed for the Spanish star. Nearing 36, he doesn't have the intensity or the endurance to match a 11 years younger opponent.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
There really is no path to a Nadal victory here. Even if he plays the tennis of his life and comes out firing, Med can still outlast him physically.
However the more usual matchup between them will just exhaust Nadal and he will lose steam. If Med plays the way he did against Titsp in set 3 and set 4 - it might even be easy.
Med in 3 or 4 is the most likely pick.

Nadal will have to wait for RG to maybe get his #21. AO continues to be cursed for the Spanish star. Nearing 36, he doesn't have the intensity or the endurance to match a 11 years younger opponent.
 

Enceladus

Legend
Meddy bear wins the AO final if Nadal doesn't win the first two sets. I think the first two sets will be even and both will get one set, but then Mad Lad will have game and physical advantage.
 

ForehandCross

G.O.A.T.
There really is no path to a Nadal victory here. Even if he plays the tennis of his life and comes out firing, Med can still outlast him physically.
However the more usual matchup between them will just exhaust Nadal and he will lose steam. If Med plays the way he did against Titsp in set 3 and set 4 - it might even be easy.
Med in 3 or 4 is the most likely pick.

Nadal will have to wait for RG to maybe get his #21. AO continues to be cursed for the Spanish star. Nearing 36, he doesn't have the intensity or the endurance to match a 11 years younger opponent.
STOP, you are scaring me. You ARE NEVER right.
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
I've picked Med in 5. I think he takes the 1st set, Nadal wins sets 2 and 3 and Medvedev wins sets 4 and 5.

Notice the linearity of their H2H so far. 1st match, Nadal demolished him 3 and 0. 2nd match, Nadal won in 5, though Medvedev was never close to winning the 5th set. 3rd match, Medvedev was up 5-1 in the last set and missed a couple of match points, miraculous win for Nadal. 4th and last match, Nadal was up 6-3 5-3 but Medvedev won in 3, quite a miraculous win for Medvedev... So I think the 5th match might look like the USO 2019 final, except Medvedev wins the 5th set.

IMO, saving a match point is going to help him. The last time he saved match points (I don't count the RR match against Sinner) was Hurkacz in QF of Toronto, his next 2 opponents paid the hard price. I've also drawn some interesting parallels between Medvedev/FAA and Djoko/Stan in 2013. The level of play was exceptionnal in those 2 matches. Djokovic was a different player after that vs Berdych, Ferrer and Murray. Medvedev could've lost this QF so many times but still found a way to win. He was a different player against Tsistsipas today,... lost a set but never seemed in danger to me.
First 3 sets will look like the Bercy final, Medvedev wins the 4th set 7-5 or 7-6 and takes the 5th set 6-3 or 6-4.
 

NeutralFan

Legend
There really is no path to a Nadal victory here. Even if he plays the tennis of his life and comes out firing, Med can still outlast him physically.
However the more usual matchup between them will just exhaust Nadal and he will lose steam. If Med plays the way he did against Titsp in set 3 and set 4 - it might even be easy.
Med in 3 or 4 is the most likely pick.

Nadal will have to wait for RG to maybe get his #21. AO continues to be cursed for the Spanish star. Nearing 36, he doesn't have the intensity or the endurance to match a 11 years younger opponent.
Ummm, Nadal's return doesn't suck as much as Stef's plus he will be in Med's service game , something Stef couldn't do or can't do. You are right though about Medvedev making it physical . Nadal can use better slices , angles and will come for a fight . There's no way he's losing it in 3.
 

tudwell

Legend
Hmm, I think 2017 Fed beats this Med in 4. Horrible match-up.
Could be, but in "absolute" level Med has a lot going for him that Nadal didn't in 2017 – but then Nadal also has the intangibles related to being one of the best of all time. Can win any match at virtually any time, so even when he doesn't look great going into the match (and he looked good if not scintillating going into the 2017 final) he's still good a great chance of winning.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Come on, man. Fed played tougher opponents before even making the quarters (Nishikori and Berdych) than Nadal did to make the final. Then he had Wawrinka on top of that (on one of the rare occasions Wawrinka actually could hang with Fed on a hard court). It’s night and day.

I’ll give you that Med today is probably a more imposing opponent on hard than Nadal was going into and in that Aussie final, but he still needs to back it up with a good performance in the final.
I had to LOL at Berrettini in particular.
 

dapchai

Legend
Ummm, Nadal's return doesn't suck as much as Stef's plus he will be in Med's service game , something Stef couldn't do or can't do. You are right though about Medvedev making it physical . Nadal can use better slices , angles and will come for a fight . There's no way he's losing it in 3.
I have a feeling this will be a beatdown and Rafa can't hang on with Med in lengthy physical baseline plays.
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
Medvedev has 80% chance to win and should be the favorite here.
Lost to Novak at his best HC slam AO, then denied Novak's #21 at his worst slam USO
Lost to Rafa at his best HC slam USO, then going to deny Rafa's 21 at his worst slam AO
The stars have aligned for Meddy.
Uso isn't djokovic's worst slam not even close to Rg
 
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