Australian Open 2025 FINAL - Defending Heavyweight AO Champion Jannik Sinner [1] vs Challenger Alexander Zverev [2]

Who wins?


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The nostalgia fiends can bleat all they want, but Sinner at the moment is every bit as dominant on hard courts as some of the best versions of Federer and Djokovic were. Guy's a total wrecking ball. I'm really curious to see when he ends up losing in a hard court slam next, and who the crazy SOB is that manages to take him down. Because right now no one's even close.
That crazy SOB has a name. It’s Zed. But you may call him Chainz. Or Goldie Chainz. Or Street. Or Zedraffe. Or Zedzilla. Whatever you call him, he has no FH DTL and he’s going to crush The Carrot.
 
Yeah I made a mistake in the title here in the SF thread and have requested mods to change it.


But there is a difference between an unintentional mistake like the one above & an intentional potential cringe such as the title of this thread.
Take it easy, dude.
 
Zverev in 5.
More of a wish than prediction. Sinner's level is a notch above the whole field. And he has no physical or mental issues. Can Z grind his way to a 1st GS title?
 
Zverev can compete with Sinner but Sinner is a Terminator on Hard Courts since post USO 2023 although the competition has been laughable the last two HC slams so he hasn't really been tested. Zed will be his biggest test in quite a while so will be an interesting battle.
 
If I'm not mistaken, the first two seeds have not faced each other in a slam final since the 2023 Wimbledon final.

All the Sinner-Zverevs missed between the end of 2023 and all of 2024, including the final here in Melbourne last year, will be compensated with this final.

Honestly, for the quality shown today in response by Sinner, if he were to raise the percentage of first serves on the court to acceptable levels, I don't see how the match can't end 3-0 or maximum 3-1 in favor of Sinner.

Paradoxically, Shelton, who is not a solid player like Zverev in the slightest, with his variations had more weapons to annoy Sinner in the baseline game.
Obviously Zverev will never concede all those unforced errors, but if he maintains the same passivity shown in the first set with Djokovic, then Sinner will abuse him 360 degrees.

So far, only the serve in the matchup has given the German an advantageous starting position, or rather the first serve, because Sinner's second serve is already more reliable.
Zverev also has the endurance edge
 
I think Sinner hits a ball that just sets up well for where Z likes his strike zone. prediction, close match, sinner fatigues toward middle of 5th and Z takes the title.
 
Last year semis at Cincinnati is severely underrated. It was match of the tournament and my personal favorite top 5 matches of the year.


The problem with Zverev will be passivity. Sinner here in set 3 tiebreak was so ON and he will be on Sunday as well. Zverev can not do that. But Zverev was almost there with Sinner and I have been waiting for these two meeting in a FINAL , any final but now a slam final , for a long time.
 
Last year semis at Cincinnati is severely underrated. It was match of the tournament and my personal favorite top 5 matches of the year.


The problem with Zverev will be passivity. Sinner here in set 3 tiebreak was so ON and he will be on Sunday as well. Zverev can not do that. But Zverev was almost there with Sinner and I have been waiting for these two meeting in a FINAL , any final but now a slam final , for a long time.
Sinner in 3 as far as I’m concerned.
 
Here is the difference in approach in playing important points between Sinner and Zverev.
Sinner wants to be the master of his destiny, while Zverev, for those who remember one of the break points in the first set with Djokovic where he limited himself to keeping the ball in the court by moving his center of gravity back, is someone who destiny reserves for his opponent hoping that he makes a mistake.

 
Sinner has no business losing a set looking at Zverevs form who barely squeaked the set out against Djoker on one leg who couldn’t even run

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In the poll I see a clear predominance of Sinner's victory, a ratio of 3/4 that sees Sinner as the winner.
It's fair, although I wonder if this discrepancy is more due to Sinner's dominance on this surface, or to Zverev's history in slam finals.
Probably somewhere in between the two.

Obviously we know very well that on any type of surface other than grass, when Zverev plays at his highest level he can cause problems even for the greatest champions of the game.
He has shown this in the past, regardless of the fact that he then lost that type of match, especially in the majors.

The thing I debate is whether to leverage their matchup history to reach the conclusion that Sinner suffers from Zverev's game.
If we analyze their head-to-head matches specifically after Sinner's relatively surprising victory in the fourth round of the 2020 autumn version of Roland Garros, where Zverev apparently had the flu, from that moment to the semifinal of last year's Cincinnati the German won the next 4 challenges, but with the exception of the 2021 US Open where Sinner still had several opportunities to extend it to the fourth against a very inspired version of Zverev, they were all very balanced matches, in particular the one in Monte Carlo 2022 and obviously the one in the 2023 US Open, on a day with an off-the-charts humidity rate and where Sinner had cramps in the central phase.

All this to reach the conclusion that stating that Sinner suffers from the matchup with Zverev is rather misleading.
That Sinner who lost 4 consecutive direct clashes with Zverev between 2020 and 2023 was the same player who in that same period of time was unable to beat any top 5 player except Alcaraz.
For example, at a certain point he was 0-3 against Djokovic, 0-6 against Medvedev and 1-5 against Tsitsipas, as well as 1-4 with Zverev.
Here, for example, in that period he digested the matchup with the Greek less than the one with Zverev, the one with Medvedev let's not even talk about it.

Now it's a whole other version of Sinner, ergo, he's a finished player, so I would wait for Sunday's outcome before saying that he's still suffering from this matchup.
Even in the last semi-final in Cincinnati, super balanced and decided by the details and Sinner's better ability to play the important points, I would like to point out that Sinner was experiencing the worst moment of his 2024, he was in precarious physical conditions so much so that between Montreal and Cincinnati he risked losing twice in a row to a player like Rublev against whom a Sinner in good shape would never lose.
 
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In the poll I see a clear predominance of Sinner's victory, a ratio of 3/4 that sees Sinner as the winner.
It's fair, although I wonder if this discrepancy is more due to Sinner's dominance on this surface, or to Zverev's history in slam finals.
Probably somewhere in between the two.

Obviously we know very well that on any type of surface other than grass, when Zverev plays at his highest level he can cause problems even for the greatest champions of the game.
He has shown this in the past, regardless of the fact that he then lost that type of match, especially in the majors.

The thing I debate is whether to leverage their matchup history to reach the conclusion that Sinner suffers from Zverev's game.
If we analyze their head-to-head matches specifically after Sinner's relatively surprising victory in the quarterfinals of the 2020 autumn version of Roland Garros, where Zverev apparently had the flu, from that moment to the semifinal of last year's Cincinnati the German won the next 4 challenges, but with the exception of the 2021 US Open where Sinner still had several opportunities to extend it to the fourth against a very inspired version of Zverev, they were all very balanced matches, in particular the one in Monte Carlo 2022 and obviously the one in the 2023 US Open, on a day with an off-the-charts humidity rate and where Sinner had cramps in the central phase.

All this to reach the conclusion that stating that Sinner suffers from the matchup with Zverev is rather misleading.
That Sinner who lost 4 consecutive direct clashes with Zverev between 2020 and 2023 was the same player who in that same period of time was unable to beat any top 5 player except Alcaraz.
For example, at a certain point he was 0-3 against Djokovic, 0-6 against Medvedev and 1-5 against Tsitsipas, as well as 1-4 with Zverev.
Here, for example, in that period he digested the matchup with the Greek less than the one with Zverev, the one with Medvedev let's not even talk about it.

Now it's a whole other version of Sinner, ergo, he's a finished player, so I would wait for Sunday's outcome before saying that he's still suffering from this matchup.
Even in the last semi-final in Cincinnati, super balanced and decided by the details and Sinner's better ability to play the important points, I would like to point out that Sinner was experiencing the worst moment of his 2024, he was in precarious physical conditions so much so that between Montreal and Cincinnati he risked losing twice in a row to a player like Rublev against whom a Sinner in good shape would never lose.
Not really surprising

Oddsmaker give Zverev 1/4 odds and I myself gave him 1/4 odds. And the ttw gives him 1/4 odds.

He has 1/4 odds because he is 27 year old guy who was once a prodigy in tennis and has completely failed to deliver for 10 years.


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Zverev can compete with Sinner but Sinner is a Terminator on Hard Courts since post USO 2023 although the competition has been laughable the last two HC slams so he hasn't really been tested. Zed will be his biggest test in quite a while so will be an interesting battle.
Here we go again.
The draws are complete, it is not Sinner's fault if those who in theory should be his most quoted opponents are eliminated first.

It is not Sinner's fault if at the last US Open Djokovic is eliminated by Popyrin, Alcaraz by VdZ, and Zverev by a Fritz that Sinner would then have easily gotten rid of in the final.
It is not Sinner's fault if Alcaraz in Shanghai is eliminated by Machac against whom Sinner himself wins without conceding a single set.
It is not Sinner's fault if Alcaraz in Turin is essentially eliminated by Ruud who Sinner then humiliates in the semifinals, and it is not Sinner's fault if Zverev, again in Turin, is eliminated once again by Fritz who the Italian beat twice in that tournament without conceding a set.
Just as it is not Sinner's fault if in this Australian Open in his part of the draw Medvedev and Fritz were surprisingly eliminated well in advance (but would it have changed anything in the economy of his tournament?).

The only exception that can be made concerns Djokovic, who I think in Turin would have been a greater threat than the opponents faced by Sinner in that tournament, same thing here in Melbourne, let's see how it ends on Sunday, the fact remains that in my opinion a Djokovic if he had not been injured in the match with Alcaraz would have represented a greater threat in view of the possible final than Zverev, for a whole series of obvious reasons that there is no point in listing.
 
People keep saying that the Zedrot deserves a slam title - which is so totally wrong, it´s sickening. A slam title is no award being granted for playing good tennis all year long, nor for being ranked highly over extended periods of time. We all know what it takes. Winning a slam - the task the Zedrot failed to complete again and again. Sinner the last man standing to keep the forces of eternal darkness at bay. Sinner to bring us the light.
Sinner in 4.
 
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I said at the end of 2018 that Djokadal will win at most 3 more slams. Fifteen more slams for them later, one of the players who I thought would end their reign has made his 3rd slam final.

I still think Zverev has the physical talent to win slams, but he's proven time and time again the mental talent isn't there. Even if for the first time he brings his A-game (physical and mental) in the final, I think Sinner will handle it.
 
OP updated with that.
What are the stretegies that Zeverev must use to win this Final ? finally. let's all make some crazy Genius tactics and email them to Sasha's dad. I already made some notes and stretegies and plan on emailing it to his dad. What about you guys ? He needs all the help he can get. :)
 
What are the stretegies that Zeverev must use to win this Final ? finally. let's all make some crazy Genius tactics and email them to Sasha's dad. I already made some notes and stretegies and plan on emailing it to his dad. What about you guys ? He needs all the help he can get. :)
Bring Sinner to the forecourt in a rally, and drive a pass right onto his balls, rinse and repeat 3 times.
Game, Set & Match Zverev.
 
A wild statistic here
There have only been 2 slams won by men born in the 90’s, and already 6 by men born in the 2000’s.
Prior to that, the slams were all won by men born in the 80’s or earlier.
 
I just watched Madison Keys upset Sabalenka. Will Zverev do the same to Sinner? Betting odds were:

Keys: +275
Sascha: +225

This would be crazy if Zverev also pulled of the upset. But it think that Sinner will prevail in 5. We shall see.
 
I said at the end of 2018 that Djokadal will win at most 3 more slams. Fifteen more slams for them later, one of the players who I thought would end their reign has made his 3rd slam final.

I still think Zverev has the physical talent to win slams, but he's proven time and time again the mental talent isn't there. Even if for the first time he brings his A-game (physical and mental) in the final, I think Sinner will handle it.
That's why they play da match..
 
I just watched Madison Keys upset Sabalenka. Will Zverev do the same to Sinner? Betting odds were:

Keys: +275
Sascha: +225

This would be crazy if Zverev also pulled of the upset. But it think that Sinner will prevail in 5. We shall see.
Thing is, keys played aggressive on important points, and yet Zverev still hadn’t made the change. Still think Sinner wins
 
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