Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
They were hitting pretty hard out there. Not easy to control at that pace.
Australian Open 2025 FINAL - Defending Heavyweight AO Champion Jannik Sinner [1] vs Challenger Alexander Zverev [2]
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Enceladus
Legend
But the sword of Damocles hangs over him in the form of the trial in Lausanne.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Maybe kyrgios' ex should've kept her hands to herself and stop jumping on people's cars and stop them from driving away?
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Jim Courier in the post game said what everyone is thinking and flat out admitteded it would have been a better final with Novak out there tonight.
Very ballsy remark from Courier and kind of reading the room on that one.
I’m a Sinner fan and very happy with the result but wow the atmosphere in that final was flat as a tack. Very poor finals atmosphere all things considered. We needed Novak or Alcaraz out there or someone with the balls to go big in a final to match Sinner’s incredible intensity.
Very ballsy remark from Courier and kind of reading the room on that one.
I’m a Sinner fan and very happy with the result but wow the atmosphere in that final was flat as a tack. Very poor finals atmosphere all things considered. We needed Novak or Alcaraz out there or someone with the balls to go big in a final to match Sinner’s incredible intensity.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Having watched the match, the result would have been the same. Yes Zverev ultimately spit the bit, but after his game had been broken down. It was Sinner’s excellent play, and even this version of Djokovic would have been exposed… as not able to keep up with Sinner.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Fair point. Sinner is on another planet at the moment.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Do you see him winning 3 slams this year if he gets no ban?
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Even if he gets a ban i think at a minimum he is making the RG and USO finals. RG leadup last year was horrible and still it took Carlitos to beat him in 5 in the SF.
If he can recover from injury I think Novak will win Wimbledon. As soon as he started in Brisbane I could see how high Novak’s level was, but even I doubted he could win a major and suggested he should focus on m1000, but I’ve since reclassified that based on his insane level at AO. But only Winbledon. Not RG or USO.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I’m liking his level on a hardcourt. I would like to see him win Wimbledon this year. His hold rate is astounding and I think he has the game to win it this year, providing no ban.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
I could see Sinner doing something like a run to the title that includes a Shelton QF, Novak SF and a final against Alcaraz that ends with Sinner winning in a five hour final.
This is all very well said. Agree fully that Zverev wasn't winning the backhand exchanges tonight, which made the whole thing mostly doomed. The only three things I would add to that when considering whose backhand is "better" overall are:
1) My impression was that in this matchup, Sascha knows that (in theory) his backhand side is where he'll make progress against Sinner, which puts some additional pressure on him to do more with it. Meanwhile Sinner is generally more than happy to play defense cross and/or roll the backhand just right of Sascha's center mark so that he can get back into a forehand trade without taking a lot of risk. Sascha has to desperately try to avoid the middle two quarters of the court with his backhand or else he'll get killed by Jannik's forehand, and I think that difference helped Sinner's backhand look and perform better tonight.
2) (I know this is a separate point from discussion of this final, but) Night session, hard court, etc. means that the ball won't bounce as high as it does on IW/clay/etc., and particularly on that surface I think I like Sascha's backhand a little better (higher takeback point, longer swing, and we've seen the very best like Alcaraz have at least some very small amount of success getting the ball up high to Sinner on that side last year).
3) Heavens alive, Sinner's sliding backhand on a hard court is an exclamation point and a half.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
There is little doubt that fit Djokovic is his best adversary at this stage. Zed can be at rg or uso but not because of technical at all
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Wilander made the right analysis on Eurosport, when he said that the difference between Sinner and Zverev is not in the speed of the ball but in the approach during the exchange.
Zverev is someone who plays passively, limiting himself to throwing the ball to the other side, while Sinner, even in situations where he is forced on the defensive, manages to get out of it by reversing the inertia of the exchange, bringing his position back to the baseline to return to attack.
And he can afford this because his movement and his reactivity of feet are clearly superior to those of Zverev
I repeat, the substantial difference today was seen above all in the exchanges from the baseline.
And this is what should worry the rest of the circuit.
Now even two excellent baseliners like Zverev and Medvedev are no longer able to cause problems for Sinner's game.
Zverev is someone who plays passively, limiting himself to throwing the ball to the other side, while Sinner, even in situations where he is forced on the defensive, manages to get out of it by reversing the inertia of the exchange, bringing his position back to the baseline to return to attack.
And he can afford this because his movement and his reactivity of feet are clearly superior to those of Zverev
I repeat, the substantial difference today was seen above all in the exchanges from the baseline.
And this is what should worry the rest of the circuit.
Now even two excellent baseliners like Zverev and Medvedev are no longer able to cause problems for Sinner's game.
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Enceladus
Legend
Here is a video of this amazing rally:
EddieChang
Rookie
Carlos had worse lead up
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Bad take. She freaking rules.
It really wasn't but if you want to believe that then that is fine.
NYTennisfan
Hall of Fame
Sinner is untouchable on Hard Courts and tbh he's not far off on clay and grass either. Looks like a decade of boring, ruthlessly efficient Sinner dominance to come.
Weak era or not, this is turning into one of the most dominant stretches in tennis history.
Weak era or not, this is turning into one of the most dominant stretches in tennis history.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Lol so much hate.
Alcawrath
Professional
Yep! You can't beat Sinner at his own game, and this is why Alcaraz, has success. He has variety and a different style of play that works to disrupt Sinner. Based on his form this tournament, I'm not sure Alcaraz would've won, but it would've been a much better match, that's for sure.
The thing that amazes me in last 12 months is Sinner's amazing record on serve, especially in big matches where he sometimes barely ahs a break point against him.
On looking at his serve it doesn't look that amazing. Yes he serves quite hard and with bit of variety, but doen't look extraordinary at first glance.
I can only assume that the reason it is so good, is that it must be incredibly difficult to read where he is going to serve, from the ball toss up.
I remember years ago opponents used to say that about Mcenroe's serve, they could never tell from the ball toss up where his serve was going, that is why it was so hard to return at times.
On looking at his serve it doesn't look that amazing. Yes he serves quite hard and with bit of variety, but doen't look extraordinary at first glance.
I can only assume that the reason it is so good, is that it must be incredibly difficult to read where he is going to serve, from the ball toss up.
I remember years ago opponents used to say that about Mcenroe's serve, they could never tell from the ball toss up where his serve was going, that is why it was so hard to return at times.
I agree would have been a much better final if Alcaraz had managed to beat both Novak and Sasha. Sinner definitely never looks totally in comfort zone when playing Carlos.
Sarzy
Hall of Fame
Right?Doper vs domestic abuser for a GS final. And the doper dominates. ATP is in a great place...
I've drifted away from watching tennis for a while now, can't support either of these things.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Here's the recap of the match;
"I serve better than him, otherwise he does everything better than me.
He has a better forehand than me, a better backhand than me, a better movement than me, a better return than me.
He outclassed me from the baseline"
"I serve better than him, otherwise he does everything better than me.
He has a better forehand than me, a better backhand than me, a better movement than me, a better return than me.
He outclassed me from the baseline"
Mainad
Bionic Poster
In winning 2025 Australian Open, Sinner becomes:
1. 1 of 4 active players to win at least 3 Slams (along with Djokovic, Wawrinka, Alcaraz).
2. 1 of 59 male players to win at least 3 Slams in the history of tennis.
3. The 1st Italian player to win 3 Slams.
4. 1 of 3 active players to defend a Slam title (along with Djokovic, Alcaraz)
1. 1 of 4 active players to win at least 3 Slams (along with Djokovic, Wawrinka, Alcaraz).
2. 1 of 59 male players to win at least 3 Slams in the history of tennis.
3. The 1st Italian player to win 3 Slams.
4. 1 of 3 active players to defend a Slam title (along with Djokovic, Alcaraz)
Zodd
Hall of Fame
I think his self-analysis misses the most obvious and important difference between him and Sinner (or any of the great champions)
This is clearly a huge blind spot
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nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
That is right zverev. He does everything else better. Belong to Fritz level. Passive Zed.
Sinner all the way
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Pretty boring, no doubt. Tennis is going to have one hell of a hangover, post-Nadal/Fed/Djoker.
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
Exactly, there's nothing here
ghostofMecir
Legend
Zverev had nowhere to go in rallies and the path to victory didn’t exist outside of lucking out in tiebreaks. It easily could have been 6-1, 6-3, 6-1.
He basically is and was in the final.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Men's tennis has been given a breath of life (no predictions on how long it will last), with Sinner defending his Australian Open title, and defeating the talent-challenged, Violent Offender Zverev to achieve it in straight sets! That was a great display of Sinner's true talent. One can feel his sense of vindication after months of babbling noise attempting to destroy his reputation and career (at the hands of some who wanted him to fail or lose his career to protect an overrated opponent).
I laugh heartily at the pre-match predictions trying to sprinkle Abuser Dust on Zverev to win, handicapping Sinner to degrees only born of desperation (and their reasons for defending him across endless threads) to see Zverev achieve a majors victory when he never had a chance.
Australian Open 2025 Men's Side: Djokovic served his purpose by defeating the overrated Alcaraz, and Sinner restated his position as a force at the majors by taking the Violent Offender Zverev to school and winning the title.
Great results and messages sent for the future.
I laugh heartily at the pre-match predictions trying to sprinkle Abuser Dust on Zverev to win, handicapping Sinner to degrees only born of desperation (and their reasons for defending him across endless threads) to see Zverev achieve a majors victory when he never had a chance.
Australian Open 2025 Men's Side: Djokovic served his purpose by defeating the overrated Alcaraz, and Sinner restated his position as a force at the majors by taking the Violent Offender Zverev to school and winning the title.
Great results and messages sent for the future.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Incorrect.
TTW ego wars and ill agendas are a part of what you call "low engagement". One, there's a well-known group of members who wanted this one...
...to reach the final and win, especially the members who hate Sinner, and fear the latter will surpass Alcaraz at the majors. Tough s***.
Two: There's another group of TTW members (some a part of the first group mentioned) who support the Violent Offender Zverev, going overboard in a thinly-veiled defense not of his mediocre game, but his off-court behavior (and yes, there are numerous posts from members attempting to defend Zverev specifically for that)
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Excellent points, thus quoted in full:
1) Broadly agreed. A basic problem for Sasha or Daniil for that matter is that the deep position enables them to absorb linear pace very consistently but makes it harder to go attack, especially down the line. To phrase it better, harder against players able to get the ball routinely so close to the baseline. This cuts away much of the angle needed to attack the line.
Jannik does with great quality something which Novak perfected, using the backhand inside-out to disrupt the rhythm and to pull opponents wide on their forehand wing. He can redirect it with good margin and flatten it.
2) Imho all great points and Sasha, a great athlete, profits from slower, higher bouncing positions due to his stroke mechanics and tactical approach. However Sinner is able to generate more spin and angels with his backhand and will adjust to the Alcaraz tactic, also employed by Shelton, to get the ball so high up. I think he will run around them more and hammer it.
3) Indeed. Slides defense into attack like only Novak before.
sortof
Professional
The same as it ever was - the Zedrot has reached a slam final and hordes of ignorant hunchbacks were crawling out of their caves thinking that this time it would be his to lift the trophy. And yet again - the mental dwarf couldn´t deliver. In fact he committed 45 UEs and lost in straights.
Thx Jannik!
Thx Jannik!
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
I’m not saying I’m right. That’s just my take on the situation.
kanamit
Hall of Fame
I sure hope not. That would mean ruining the immersive experience.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
"Crawling out of their caves" is a perfect description. Talk Tennis Warehouse's forums witnessed innumerable "fans" clearly supporting Zverev not for his lousy game, but for his actions outside of the sport. Thankfully, Sinner made short work of the Violent Offender.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Still he is the best player to never win a slam. Not a bad career and he still as some chances left for instance this year at the FO.
Smecz
Professional
Zverev could also win like Sinner, but his psyche couldn't handle the pressure that the tennis environment put on him, they had great hopes placed in him, which probably weren't fulfilled.!!Agree with that first line so very much.
Not sure about the second one
I remember when Djokovic or Federer said that he would easily win the slam, because he had such potential, and now it turns out that he may never win it, because in the final he loses all his power or is paralyzed by fear etc...
I don't like the guy, but I know that he is capable of more, he just often gets paralyzed, if not for that he would have won the slam a long time ago, even the US Open lost in some strange style to Thiem... heh
roysid
Legend
He was always underperformer in slams. And when he had a good run, he chokes at the important match viz. USO 2020, FO 2022 (he should have been easily 2 sets ahead) etc
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
It true, but without the beatdown Carlos won't probably fix the issues in his game.
Zetty
Hall of Fame
If he becomes Murray that's a debatable ATG, not one ounce of shame in that.
Smecz
Professional
Exactly, whole true
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