mightyjeditribble
Legend
Hard to put Zverev above Stich right now.No.
(I assume we are talking MALE German tennis players.)
Australian Open 2025 FINAL - Defending Heavyweight AO Champion Jannik Sinner [1] vs Challenger Alexander Zverev [2]
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(I assume we are talking MALE German tennis players.)
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
How do you think Alcaraz vs Sinner would play out at USO 2025? The last time they played there it was an absolute classic and it’s scary to think how much better they both are since that match.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Sinner 2025 vs Tsitsipas 2022, who wins at AO? And how many sets
sortof
Hall of Fame
I think there is more to it - and it depends in a way on the definition of choking. In set 1 (in which he faced 6 breakpoints) and the beginning of set 2 the Zedmug simply didn´t play well, he seemed insecure and his movement was often really poor. And there was not much of a fight to stop the rot in set 3, he hit another 12 UEs and the 1st serve % dropped to 59% with only 2 aces. Overall 45 UEs and not a single breakpoint. Question is why is the Zedmug unable to play his best tennis when it is needed the most?
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Best hope Tsitsipas has imo would be 2019 Tsitsipas before he had mental scars. He might be able to go hyper-aggressive in a similar style to 2024 Medvedev and possibly steal a first set if Sinner starts slowly with Sinner winning the next three.
We need one of the AO Co-GOATs for the best comparison with 2025 Sinner. Sinner is taking the ball so early now, and it’s just all-out attack from the first ball which is obviously a horrible matchup for Tsitsipas who likes extra time on the ball.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I do think Sin gives Tsitsipas a drumming in straight sets, both the 22’ and 23’ version. Don’t see him breaking Sinners serve either
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Very hard to build return stats against Sinner now. The margin for error returning his serve is out of control now. Partially because of the serve itself and partly because of the mentality he has protecting the serve.
The option for a high percentage bunt return is out of the question because Sinner goes so aggressive on his second ball on serve. It leaves the returner in a weird mental grey area where they feel pressured to go huge on the return just to have a chance in a point.
McGradey
Hall of Fame
Well done Sinner. Best player won the tournament and rightfully so. The Tyrolean Terminator was locked in and I don't think anyone in the draw other than maybe an inspired and uninjured Djokovic would've had the game to take him down on this court.
As an aside, after watching the Sinner-Shelton match live, I am finding the sound of the ballstriking is more muted than in years gone by. I mentioned this in one of the match threads, but that was while watching a broadcast. I didn't expect to find the same thing in person. When I attended in 2022 the sound of the shots of Sinner, Tsitsipas, Berrettini and Alcaraz was noticeably louder than what I heard on Friday. Particularly Tsitsipas's forehand was LOUD, like a gun going off. My guess is it's something to do with the balls being used now.
As an aside, after watching the Sinner-Shelton match live, I am finding the sound of the ballstriking is more muted than in years gone by. I mentioned this in one of the match threads, but that was while watching a broadcast. I didn't expect to find the same thing in person. When I attended in 2022 the sound of the shots of Sinner, Tsitsipas, Berrettini and Alcaraz was noticeably louder than what I heard on Friday. Particularly Tsitsipas's forehand was LOUD, like a gun going off. My guess is it's something to do with the balls being used now.
Aabye5
Talk Tennis Guru
Clay season cannot come soon enough!
Aabye5
Talk Tennis Guru
In this point, Zverev tries something a little different with the slice, but where Sinner is positioned on court makes this super risky.
The commentators are fussing about it being poor shot selection (which is true), but if you're trying something new, you're going to make mistakes before you get comfortable with it. One of the biggest problems with some of the NextGen players is that they have no patience. When a strategy doesn't work the first time they seem to abandon it.
The commentators are fussing about it being poor shot selection (which is true), but if you're trying something new, you're going to make mistakes before you get comfortable with it. One of the biggest problems with some of the NextGen players is that they have no patience. When a strategy doesn't work the first time they seem to abandon it.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
The final word: Zverev admits Sinner is his--and all other male players' superior, which appears to be more true than not, despite the hope-ium used by Zverev and Alcaraz fans.
Indeed it was.
Its great to see him live up to his obvious talent, but its certainly not appreciated by some of the same Talk Tennis Warehouse members who only wanted another player to dominate.
It is a dead horse, beaten by the anti-Sinner zealots on this board, who were wishing Sinner would be suspended and miss this 2025 Australian Open (all to clear a path for an undeserving player). No official action has been recommended by the governing board. After this amount of time since the non-story broke, if Sinner was going to be punished, it--in all likelihood--would have happened in 2024 (especially after the anti-Sinner zealots sore there was a wealth of existing evidence proving his alleged guilt). But it has not.
You are playing a game; again, there is no conclusive evidence Sinner consciously employed a PED for athletic benefits, as opposed to one example--Sharapova--who tried to get ahead of the story with her obviously rushed, slapped-together press conference with paper-thin excuses already in place, the kind of excuses tailor made in the event she was exposed.
Sinner has earned his success, whether you want another player in his position or not.[
Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
Go figure... I'm completely plugged in for the entire tournament but I miss the men's final. Obviously I didn't miss any surprises though. Sinner does it again in clinical fashion. It's the 3rd major title for him, with many more still to come!
I'll be looking forward to seeing what kind of runs he puts together in Indian Wells and Miami.
I'll be looking forward to seeing what kind of runs he puts together in Indian Wells and Miami.
Galvermegs
Hall of Fame
I suspect they will give us a dud draw and ine or both cant make the semis or final to meet. Even sinner could get a serious injury instead of all these trifles he has shrugged off thus far. His game is less effortless than fed and closer to pete for chances. But i hope we get them at wimbledon for a better match than 2022
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Sinner is not better than prime Federer. A comment like that should get you banned from the forum. Sinner has the physique of a 14 year old boy and is a one dimensional baseliner.
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
I can’t really have Rios in this conversation. His Bo5 masters and his GSC were great but in the most important Bo5 category aka slams he sucked (relatively to the others). The No.1 ranking Zed would also have achieved had he peaked in 98. You can argue that Rios had the higher peak but even that I find questionable given that his biggest scalps are two wins against 98 Agassi. Anywho, when I say Zed is the “best” player to never win a slam I refer solely to achievements as this is the only thing we can reliable compare. And here it is tough to argue against two YEC an OG and three slam finals.
Galvermegs
Hall of Fame
Rios played much nicer tennis to watch than zverev and was less angry/whiny oncourt. Not pleasant but he saved his worst for elsewhere. Zverev never looks like he is doing it other than the day job. A half motivated rios looks like he is having a blast imho.
So factoring intangibles in i dont think rios should be forgotten totally. He is the most frustrating no1 as he could definitely have done more if he truly was motivated like most of his rivals. Another waste of talent was malisse (if much lesser results).
FedForGOAT
Professional
Rios had some of the most incredible feel I’ve seen on a tennis court.
That said, that type of game is always going to be pretty low margin. If on some day you’re not feeling the ball well, you don’t have a big serve to fall back on, or a heavy forehand to keep you in points. Nalbandian is another example of this.
But about Zverev, I disagree that he’s treating this as a day job. I think it’s clear he cares, and probably too much.
Of all the accusations leveled against him, I think this is one that is just visibly wrong.
Tallawah Tennis
Professional
Yah man, dude has already amassed an impressive CV. What an achievent to take this title with such conviction. Congratulations to Jannik. I had picked him for this title, but to see him utterly dominant was most impressive.
That look on Sasha's face post loss was almost unbearable - so sad. He has fought hard to regain his form, and hopefully that grit and resolve will someday see him succeed in lifting a GS trophy.
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Vincent-C
Legend
Fred would take Carrot apart methodically; piece by piece. I like the kid quite a bit, but he's no fred.
Galvermegs
Hall of Fame
Djoko seemed to have a simple game by comparison.. but we know what followed after early 2007.
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